On May 24 2026 17:34 QRCode wrote: Lol at all the reactions. People are in disbelief. Guys Flash was absolutely cooked last game. Speedlings just finished and Flash lost all his marines trying to clear out the lings in the main. Nothing but SCVs to defend the next ones.
We're in disbelief that he kept losing SCVs instead of evacuating then tried to clear the main with no army instead of playing from the natural. Yes, it's a very wonky position, but it was playable, and zerg's economy was awful as well.
Flash played like he had already decided he would GG after he held the attack.
Hunkering down in the nat would've only delayed the inevitable. Soma had speedlings that would've harassed Flash's mining and forced Flash to keep SCVs around his bunker to prevent a surround. The bunker was not in a great position to defend the mineral line and Flash would've needed to keep half his SCVs just to protect it. Soma meanwhile would've switched to full mining and droned up on 2 bases. Flash was severely behind
Severely behind -> inevitable loss.
This patern of thinking is so annoying to me. It's like woulda-coulda-shoulda but the other way around: projections of a future seemlingly set in stone.
As if we've never seen turn-arounds, upsets, blunders... Just don't act like you can be so sure...
Flash wasn't even "severely behind" when he made the game-deciding call. When Flash was starting his 2nd rax for 2-gap-wall in his natural Soma's natural hatch was not even started, he couldn't have had more than 6-7 drones, Flash had like 12+ SCVs.
Noone can predict how it would've gone if Flash had clogged the wall and Soma had attacked with all his lings. Maybe he kills the bunker and it's over. But with 3-4 marines in the bunker and repair Soma also could've lost everything.
On May 24 2026 17:25 Vasoline73 wrote: I still can't believe Flash lost like that again.
Win that game and you have nothing to prove ever again and can retire in peace. Losing it is... just sad. That said, if Flash is really done... he's still the GOAT... just... now more debatably. Had he won, it would have been unquestionable for all time.
I dont think is debatable at all rofl. Guy hand is in such a shitty state and he still went to game 7 at the Finals. I think overall is a good season for him.
I agree with you but I think there's now always going to be someone who brings up this finals and says "if he was the GOAT what about G7 ASL21?!"
I agree with you that it's a asinine take... but I expect to hear it .
On May 24 2026 17:25 Vasoline73 wrote: I still can't believe Flash lost like that again.
Win that game and you have nothing to prove ever again and can retire in peace. Losing it is... just sad. That said, if Flash is really done... he's still the GOAT... just... now more debatably. Had he won, it would have been unquestionable for all time.
I dont think is debatable at all rofl. Guy hand is in such a shitty state and he still went to game 7 at the Finals. I think overall is a good season for him.
I agree with you but I think there's now always going to be someone who brings up this finals and says "if he was the GOAT what about G7 ASL21?!"
I agree with you that it's a asinine take... but I expect to hear it .
If you're going create an asinine narrative in your head maybe hold off on sharing it until the said narrative presents itself.
On May 24 2026 17:25 Vasoline73 wrote: I still can't believe Flash lost like that again.
Win that game and you have nothing to prove ever again and can retire in peace. Losing it is... just sad. That said, if Flash is really done... he's still the GOAT... just... now more debatably. Had he won, it would have been unquestionable for all time.
I dont think is debatable at all rofl. Guy hand is in such a shitty state and he still went to game 7 at the Finals. I think overall is a good season for him.
I agree with you but I think there's now always going to be someone who brings up this finals and says "if he was the GOAT what about G7 ASL21?!"
I agree with you that it's a asinine take... but I expect to hear it .
If you're going create an asinine narrative in your head maybe hold off on sharing it until the said narrative presents itself.
Yeah you are right that it is dumb to worry about. My bad. Still processing the sadness... I will zip it
On May 24 2026 17:19 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: I feel like the right play in that last game was to lift the CC and evacuate all the scvs to the natural and keep making marines and clean that mess. Considering Soma commited to pool first and send many drones to harass FlaSh this option could have been valid if FlaSh did it from the get go and didnt try to defend the Main like eh did. But from Terran pov that is not something u actually ever think about doing. ANd you are just in the dark assuming zerg is expanding and getting to a better spot. Also one of the issues for terran on MP is that Sim city at the natural is just terrible in general. Terran early game is always at risk for that reason.
Yeah on hindsight it’s better to have evacuated to natural straight away but very hard to make that decision in a spilt second even for Flash. Anyway Flash’s stubbornness is his own undoing, fairly certain he wins if he plays standard
Not very hard. It's such an obvious decision. Losing that game after the bunker is up has to be on par with Queen getting knocked out by BCM after he opened over pool.
Not very hard. Of course. That's just the dumbest thing anyone wrote by a mile. I can see your understanding of Brood War or of high level sports competition in general still has not improved.
Yeah, those easy Game 7 decisions, when everything is on the line, maybe the last game of your career, you have enemy units in your natural and your main and every mistake could be game deciding.
Watching it live, I was surprised with the unfolding of events as well. For 10-15 seconds I actually thought Flash had won. After watching the match again and paying attention to the details, I believe it is getting much clearer. When Flash cancels his 2nd barracks, he is at 9 minerals and barely anyting is coming in. He is basically constantly broke. I also thought he should have just abandoned his main and mined at his natural. It would have been better. But I think AttackZerg's explanation is really spot-on here, why it was still a massive uphill battle.
On May 24 2026 16:40 AttackZerg wrote: So...
flash had no academy, so he can't move versus speed lings for days.
Zerg can tech to 1 hat muta super fast. Soma already had 2 hat.
and Flash can't move out to pressure Soma building drones because of lings in main. He was perm surrounded with no tech path to hit.
Flash had zero % chance to win from there.
Even if he preserves his eco and his SVCs, it is gonna be very hard because moving out of that pocket at his natural will take forever. Given that Soma opened 12 pool, his economy is probably not as bad as one thinks, evident by having a lot of gas already and building a second hatch. It would be vastly different after a 9 pool.
I think with perfect play start to finish Flash wins that game. But for me that is the beauty of the game. When someone is just able to will his way to win and capitalize on the smallest of openings.
I wouldn't be surprised if Flash comes back for another rodeo. Regardless, he is the greatest of all time by a mile.
On May 24 2026 17:19 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: I feel like the right play in that last game was to lift the CC and evacuate all the scvs to the natural and keep making marines and clean that mess. Considering Soma commited to pool first and send many drones to harass FlaSh this option could have been valid if FlaSh did it from the get go and didnt try to defend the Main like eh did. But from Terran pov that is not something u actually ever think about doing. ANd you are just in the dark assuming zerg is expanding and getting to a better spot. Also one of the issues for terran on MP is that Sim city at the natural is just terrible in general. Terran early game is always at risk for that reason.
Yeah on hindsight it’s better to have evacuated to natural straight away but very hard to make that decision in a spilt second even for Flash. Anyway Flash’s stubbornness is his own undoing, fairly certain he wins if he plays standard
Not very hard. It's such an obvious decision. Losing that game after the bunker is up has to be on par with Queen getting knocked out by BCM after he opened over pool.
Not very hard. Of course. That's just the dumbest thing anyone wrote by a mile. I can see your understanding of Brood War or of high level sports competition in general still has not improved.
Yeah, those easy Game 7 decisions, when everything is on the line, maybe the last game of your career, you have enemy units in your natural and your main and every mistake could be game deciding.
Not very hard at all.
Funny you talk about my "understanding of BW" yet the rest of your post has nothing about BW strategy.
I repeat: the obvious decision is to lift main CC and defend nat, where your Bunker is already up. There is no world you have to worry about maximising econ when a Zerg commits a fucking drone rush. Wait for progamers to side with me on this if you want validation.
Flash made the wrong decision because of nerve/greed/whatever... but it's not a hard call to make. That it is game 7 and everything is on the line makes it even more obvious. How can you leave your nat entirely unguarded during the middle of a ling rush? Maybe he should have played offrace PvZ more.
GG soma WP, we got a series but the games weren't very close and with the last game flash just GGing so quickly felt strange. He could of at least played it out a bit longer as its the final match. Flashes mind games felt spot on but his micro felt like it was lacking a bit due to his wrists. I don't really think flash will be back for another ASL round. Its kind of clear that he cant play like his former self anymore due to his wrists and is probably finished for good. He did well to get second place and was sad they didn't do a losers interview considering this is his probably his final tournament. I think soma will win more titles, his in great shape but its getting boring with zergs winning everything.
On May 24 2026 19:52 Malinor wrote: But I think AttackZerg's explanation is really spot-on here, why it was still a massive uphill battle.
AttackZerg explanation is for the game state after the subsequent ling runby and SCV kills. At that point yes the game is done.
If he leaves main, block nat, the next 6 lings would just be dead weight for Soma, while he's on 6 drones. If he leaves main and mine natural, he would have more minerals to buy stuff.
Flash neither mines his natural (no SCV there) nor main (SCVs busy fighting and dying lings), that's why he's so poor. Plus by not having SCVs at nat, he has nothing to block ling runby. The 2nd Rax is a panic reaction I suppose, he cancels is because he realises it's still a 2 hole wall.
Just lift your main CC man, you're not at SCV saturation anyway you lose virtually nothing with it.
On May 24 2026 19:52 Malinor wrote: But I think AttackZerg's explanation is really spot-on here, why it was still a massive uphill battle.
AttackZerg explanation is for the game state after the subsequent ling runby and SCV kills. At that point yes the game is done.
If he leaves main, block nat, the next 6 lings would just be dead weight for Soma, while he's on 6 drones. If he leaves main and mine natural, he would have more minerals to buy stuff.
Flash neither mines his natural (no SCV there) nor main (SCVs busy fighting and dying lings), that's why he's so poor. Plus by not having SCVs at nat, he has nothing to block ling runby. The 2nd Rax is a panic reaction I suppose, he cancels is because he realises it's still a 2 hole wall.
Just lift your main CC man, you're not at SCV saturation anyway you lose virtually nothing with it.
^ I just highly appreciated FlaSh but I was disappointed him.
FlaSh saw the number of lings and drones in his main. I thought he could know he needed the number of marines exactly to clear them.
99% other players just lift their CC and play normally. In the FlaSh's situation, there is a bit difference, he didn't lose any Supply Depot at all. He had 2 Command Center, more workers than soma. Even when he lost all his marines at main, he's still fine at nat with a bunker.
soma had 2 options with one result: all-in after kill marine at main and couldn't destroy bunker -) gg or mass Drones and wait to type -) gg before FlaSh.
On May 24 2026 19:52 Malinor wrote: But I think AttackZerg's explanation is really spot-on here, why it was still a massive uphill battle.
AttackZerg explanation is for the game state after the subsequent ling runby and SCV kills. At that point yes the game is done.
If he leaves main, block nat, the next 6 lings would just be dead weight for Soma, while he's on 6 drones. If he leaves main and mine natural, he would have more minerals to buy stuff.
Flash neither mines his natural (no SCV there) nor main (SCVs busy fighting and dying lings), that's why he's so poor. Plus by not having SCVs at nat, he has nothing to block ling runby. The 2nd Rax is a panic reaction I suppose, he cancels is because he realises it's still a 2 hole wall.
Just lift your main CC man, you're not at SCV saturation anyway you lose virtually nothing with it.
Flash didnt know it was a speedling allin - he never scouted. Once speed is done, he can't just send an scv out on the map to scout either. He has to just gamble on allin or drones, and he picked the wrong one. It could have just been a 12p 12 hatch with drones after the first 6 lings, esp considering bunker would go up.
Soma pulled 4-5 drones so early in the game, it was an all in, if Flash gave up main there was still a very good fighting chance cause all his buildings were at nat and he had a bunker up.
Anyway Flash brought this upon himself with needless 14cc on a 2 player map. He was actually all smiles when receiving his cheque, I actually think he knew he fucked around too much after going up 3-2.
It takes a few minutes to setup the game when FlaSh gg. We can play continue and see the answer. If I play Terran, even JaeDong can't beat me from this.
On May 24 2026 20:59 SethN wrote: Some of the worst takes of all time in this thread from people who think they know better than Flash JD and Bisu about why it was gg for T
There is a confustion though.
It was gg for Flash after the next 6 lings ran by the bunker.
It was not after the bunker was up and 3 lings + 2 drones migrated to the main to find whatever they could achieve there. Flash for some reason decided to fight that with pure SCVs while leaving his nat wide open for the subsequent ling runby. That's what people are arguing, not the gg after most of his SCVs in the main were killed.
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