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johanes
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Czech Republic2246 Posts
May 24 2026 08:42 GMT
#541
On May 24 2026 17:38 prosatan wrote:
anyways, you can watch the last game here.... with my baby ..


Haha love how speechless they are at gg
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3417 Posts
May 24 2026 08:44 GMT
#542
On May 24 2026 17:25 Dante08 wrote:
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On May 24 2026 17:19 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
I feel like the right play in that last game was to lift the CC and evacuate all the scvs to the natural and keep making marines and clean that mess. Considering Soma commited to pool first and send many drones to harass FlaSh this option could have been valid if FlaSh did it from the get go and didnt try to defend the Main like eh did. But from Terran pov that is not something u actually ever think about doing. ANd you are just in the dark assuming zerg is expanding and getting to a better spot. Also one of the issues for terran on MP is that Sim city at the natural is just terrible in general. Terran early game is always at risk for that reason.


Yeah on hindsight it’s better to have evacuated to natural straight away but very hard to make that decision in a spilt second even for Flash. Anyway Flash’s stubbornness is his own undoing, fairly certain he wins if he plays standard

Not very hard. It's such an obvious decision. Losing that game after the bunker is up has to be on par with Queen getting knocked out by BCM after he opened over pool.
CicadaSC
Profile Joined January 2018
United States2081 Posts
May 24 2026 08:45 GMT
#543
On May 24 2026 17:25 Vasoline73 wrote:
I still can't believe Flash lost like that again.

Win that game and you have nothing to prove ever again and can retire in peace. Losing it is... just sad. That said, if Flash is really done... he's still the GOAT... just... now more debatably. Had he won, it would have been unquestionable for all time.

Soma is a new era of player who may surpass even flash and jaedong...
Remember that we all come from a place of passion!!
Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4203 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-05-24 08:47:19
May 24 2026 08:46 GMT
#544
On May 24 2026 17:44 TMNT wrote:
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On May 24 2026 17:25 Dante08 wrote:
On May 24 2026 17:19 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
I feel like the right play in that last game was to lift the CC and evacuate all the scvs to the natural and keep making marines and clean that mess. Considering Soma commited to pool first and send many drones to harass FlaSh this option could have been valid if FlaSh did it from the get go and didnt try to defend the Main like eh did. But from Terran pov that is not something u actually ever think about doing. ANd you are just in the dark assuming zerg is expanding and getting to a better spot. Also one of the issues for terran on MP is that Sim city at the natural is just terrible in general. Terran early game is always at risk for that reason.


Yeah on hindsight it’s better to have evacuated to natural straight away but very hard to make that decision in a spilt second even for Flash. Anyway Flash’s stubbornness is his own undoing, fairly certain he wins if he plays standard

Not very hard. It's such an obvious decision. Losing that game after the bunker is up has to be on par with Queen getting knocked out by BCM after he opened over pool.


True as well, just a series of bad decisions in the final game causing him to lose, once the bunker got up if he just sent all his workers to nat and blocked off the entrance he wins that 9/10 times.

Even sending the marines to clear the zerglings in main was bad as well, he could have just sat in his nat and Soma would have needed to try and do something.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22706 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-05-24 08:47:17
May 24 2026 08:46 GMT
#545
13 vs 17 supply (S v F). 7 lings in the main and 1 drone. There is 5 drones max in Somas base.
There is no way Flash is behind if he just abandons the main and builds up a few more marines before clearing it out rather then fighting those 7 lings with 4 marines.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Scarlett`
Profile Joined April 2011
Korea (South)2446 Posts
May 24 2026 08:50 GMT
#546
On May 24 2026 17:42 johanes wrote:
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On May 24 2026 17:38 prosatan wrote:
anyways, you can watch the last game here.... with my baby ..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqBcpLV0kAA

Haha love how speechless they are at gg

after the lings got in bisu and jd are saying zerg won and jd said even if flash defends its over
Progamer一条咸鱼
2_2
Profile Joined June 2022
Poland41 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-05-24 09:00:56
May 24 2026 08:56 GMT
#547
On May 24 2026 17:34 QRCode wrote:
Lol at all the reactions. People are in disbelief. Guys Flash was absolutely cooked last game. Speedlings just finished and Flash lost all his marines trying to clear out the lings in the main. Nothing but SCVs to defend the next ones.

We're in disbelief that he kept losing SCVs instead of evacuating then tried to clear the main with no army instead of playing from the natural. Yes, it's a very wonky position, but it was playable, and zerg's economy was awful as well.

Flash played like he had already decided he would GG after he held the attack.
Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States8204 Posts
May 24 2026 09:17 GMT
#548
I guess if Flash (by GGing,) Bisu, and JD are saying it… it’s kind of hard to argue even if the supply seemed really damn close…
Highgamer
Profile Joined October 2015
1475 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-05-24 09:18:35
May 24 2026 09:17 GMT
#549
Dunno if they asked him and he declined, which I would understand 100%, but it's really sad that for this occasion we didn't get at least a short loosers-interview and some last words and goodbye from the biggest name and best player in this game in presumably his last ever competitive 1v1 tournament.
Even his parents showed up, many very emotional fans...
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17743 Posts
May 24 2026 09:19 GMT
#550
Flash played way too predictable because of his wrists.
ils
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46716 Posts
May 24 2026 09:22 GMT
#551
Congrats to Soma!
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
alypse
Profile Joined May 2010
2784 Posts
May 24 2026 09:23 GMT
#552
Thanks to whoever fixed the stream list for me. Flash is eating with the boys and doesn't look down at all; in fact he seems to be in high spirits.
KT Violet 1988 - 2012
hda
Profile Joined May 2026
87 Posts
May 24 2026 09:35 GMT
#553
Epitome of Soop streaming life:

[image loading]

[image loading]


An hour after the finals and Soma and Flash are both streaming, harvesting balloons over dinner at the same restaurant. A balloon for every season, be it celebration or defeat :D

Soma at his table with his crew, Flash at an adjacent table with his (Terror and Bisu)
QRCode
Profile Joined December 2024
United States62 Posts
May 24 2026 09:36 GMT
#554
On May 24 2026 17:56 2_2 wrote:
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On May 24 2026 17:34 QRCode wrote:
Lol at all the reactions. People are in disbelief. Guys Flash was absolutely cooked last game. Speedlings just finished and Flash lost all his marines trying to clear out the lings in the main. Nothing but SCVs to defend the next ones.

We're in disbelief that he kept losing SCVs instead of evacuating then tried to clear the main with no army instead of playing from the natural. Yes, it's a very wonky position, but it was playable, and zerg's economy was awful as well.

Flash played like he had already decided he would GG after he held the attack.


Hunkering down in the nat would've only delayed the inevitable. Soma had speedlings that would've harassed Flash's mining and forced Flash to keep SCVs around his bunker to prevent a surround. The bunker was not in a great position to defend the mineral line and Flash would've needed to keep half his SCVs just to protect it. Soma meanwhile would've switched to full mining and droned up on 2 bases. Flash was severely behind
2_2
Profile Joined June 2022
Poland41 Posts
May 24 2026 09:44 GMT
#555
Maybe? I just didn't expect him to not even try it, whether it was 5% or 50% chance, what he did was 0%. Soma had almost no drones and his natural wasn't even close to done. Everything Flash did after the lings run into the main felt like he had given up already.
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13537 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-05-24 09:45:54
May 24 2026 09:45 GMT
#556
Flash should’ve evacuated his main as others have said. He was playing like Soma had 12 drones back home when he can’t have had many.

But anyhoo. Can’t believe Soma won that. It looked pretty clear that Flash was the better player after the first two games but Soma junked it up and it worked for him.

Always a good day when Flash is humbled a bit but damn is he good.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
gravity
Profile Joined March 2004
Australia2330 Posts
May 24 2026 10:01 GMT
#557
Bit bummed about Flash losing (and going out that way) but congrats to Soma who countered Flash's tendencies well. At least we got a couple of good games.
Furthermore, tournaments should use matchup-specific maps
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3417 Posts
May 24 2026 10:03 GMT
#558
On May 24 2026 18:35 hda wrote:
Epitome of Soop streaming life:

[image loading]

[image loading]


An hour after the finals and Soma and Flash are both streaming, harvesting balloons over dinner at the same restaurant. A balloon for every season, be it celebration or defeat :D

Soma at his table with his crew, Flash at an adjacent table with his (Terror and Bisu)

Lmao didn't realise they're at the same restaurant, and not just that, visibly in camera range of each other. Might as well do a co-stream
Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4203 Posts
May 24 2026 10:05 GMT
#559
On May 24 2026 18:36 QRCode wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2026 17:56 2_2 wrote:
On May 24 2026 17:34 QRCode wrote:
Lol at all the reactions. People are in disbelief. Guys Flash was absolutely cooked last game. Speedlings just finished and Flash lost all his marines trying to clear out the lings in the main. Nothing but SCVs to defend the next ones.

We're in disbelief that he kept losing SCVs instead of evacuating then tried to clear the main with no army instead of playing from the natural. Yes, it's a very wonky position, but it was playable, and zerg's economy was awful as well.

Flash played like he had already decided he would GG after he held the attack.


Hunkering down in the nat would've only delayed the inevitable. Soma had speedlings that would've harassed Flash's mining and forced Flash to keep SCVs around his bunker to prevent a surround. The bunker was not in a great position to defend the mineral line and Flash would've needed to keep half his SCVs just to protect it. Soma meanwhile would've switched to full mining and droned up on 2 bases. Flash was severely behind


It was still extremely playable before Flash lost his marines in main. It was 17-13 supply with Zerg in 5 drones max at home. Flash’s bunker was very well placed at nat to deal with any harass. Flash just needed to seal off the entrance. If Soma went back to droning Flash could clear main and Flash’s econ would be way ahead as he’s already on 2 base.

Anyway interested to hear Flash’s thoughts on this
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3417 Posts
May 24 2026 10:13 GMT
#560
On May 24 2026 18:36 QRCode wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2026 17:56 2_2 wrote:
On May 24 2026 17:34 QRCode wrote:
Lol at all the reactions. People are in disbelief. Guys Flash was absolutely cooked last game. Speedlings just finished and Flash lost all his marines trying to clear out the lings in the main. Nothing but SCVs to defend the next ones.

We're in disbelief that he kept losing SCVs instead of evacuating then tried to clear the main with no army instead of playing from the natural. Yes, it's a very wonky position, but it was playable, and zerg's economy was awful as well.

Flash played like he had already decided he would GG after he held the attack.


Hunkering down in the nat would've only delayed the inevitable. Soma had speedlings that would've harassed Flash's mining and forced Flash to keep SCVs around his bunker to prevent a surround. The bunker was not in a great position to defend the mineral line and Flash would've needed to keep half his SCVs just to protect it. Soma meanwhile would've switched to full mining and droned up on 2 bases. Flash was severely behind

Point is he should evacuate right at the beginning, not after the lings have harassed the shit out of his main for a while (at that point damage is already done so the gg is understandable).

So what if he has to keep SCVs to protect the bunker? His bunker is not protected at all anyway while his SCVs are fighting the lings in the main. Might as well lift main CC, move all SCVs to nat. That way you can block the ling runby too. It's a bonkers decision by Flash there's no argument about that.

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