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BulgarianToss
Profile Joined May 2011
Bulgaria493 Posts
May 24 2026 13:31 GMT
#581
Once a gambler, always a gambler. He learned nothing from his OSL final against Effort where in the last game he decided to go 14 CC on Match Point. 16 years on, 0 lessons learned. Well deserved loss, well punished by Soma.
music is the best thing in the world
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3769 Posts
May 24 2026 14:04 GMT
#582
Why game 5 was so bad?
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22473 Posts
May 24 2026 14:15 GMT
#583
On May 24 2026 23:04 nimdil wrote:
Why game 5 was so bad?
all-in got scouted and held. nothing spectacular or interesting.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Kespa1988
Profile Joined January 2022
103 Posts
May 24 2026 14:20 GMT
#584
Coming back from 0-2, then again winning two games from 2-3. What a beast.

After two first games, nobady would bet in Soma, yet he did not only play solid, but win 'mind' moments with Flash.

Well deserved Soma.
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19368 Posts
May 24 2026 14:52 GMT
#585
What a series by Soma. He made Flash feel like Protoss does versus Zerg. You know that feeling when your favorite Protoss loses a series to allins and rushes and you’re not sure the Zerg even won any real games but still won the series lol.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
Puosu
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
7034 Posts
May 24 2026 15:14 GMT
#586
Could anyone translate or summarize what Lee Sedol said during the break?
CicadaSC
Profile Joined January 2018
United States1965 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-05-24 15:18:29
May 24 2026 15:18 GMT
#587
Question.

Do you think the level of play in starleagues such as in this ASL has increased or decreased compared to kespa days?

If it has increased, and soma showing the level of dominance he has on his come up, this time even beating flash in the finals. Could an argument be made for him being the greatest player of all time?

I'm not saying the most accomplished, but the highest skilled player we've ever seen.
Remember that we all come from a place of passion!!
Soft_General_5023
Profile Joined December 2023
140 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-05-24 15:46:36
May 24 2026 15:20 GMT
#588
hopefully flash will explain his decisions in game 7 and jinjin will translate it

to observer "seeing all" seems that after first lings + drones went into his main he should have lift cc, transfer scvs to nat and block the entrance with 3-4 scvs,

might be because of his lack of recent real world ladder/proleagues matches experience, he made wrong real time decision

anyway cc first on 2 player map is a gamble, not worth by "goat" in game 7 if he was confident
Crimson)S(hadow
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Philippines739 Posts
May 24 2026 15:21 GMT
#589
On May 24 2026 19:03 TMNT wrote:
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On May 24 2026 18:35 hda wrote:
Epitome of Soop streaming life:

[image loading]

[image loading]


An hour after the finals and Soma and Flash are both streaming, harvesting balloons over dinner at the same restaurant. A balloon for every season, be it celebration or defeat :D

Soma at his table with his crew, Flash at an adjacent table with his (Terror and Bisu)

Lmao didn't realise they're at the same restaurant, and not just that, visibly in camera range of each other. Might as well do a co-stream


just watched the VODs... soma went up to flash's table to shake his hand lmao
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quaristice
Profile Joined February 2021
135 Posts
May 24 2026 15:23 GMT
#590
there seems to be some confusion, people thinking that the final game was just a blind all-in by soma

soma opened in a way to where he sent a scout so it arrived at the same timing as he would have to decide whether to 12hatch or 12pool. he sent a drone to natural to 12hatch, saw the cc-first and then switched to 12pool into gas. so the decision to pool-first and pull the drones was a punish on reaction, not a blind cheese
vndestiny
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore3457 Posts
May 24 2026 15:28 GMT
#591
Flash eco cheese every other game and no one bats an eye.

Soma lings all-in punish once or twice and everyone lost their mind.
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19368 Posts
May 24 2026 15:54 GMT
#592
On May 25 2026 00:18 CicadaSC wrote:
Question.

Do you think the level of play in starleagues such as in this ASL has increased or decreased compared to kespa days?

If it has increased, and soma showing the level of dominance he has on his come up, this time even beating flash in the finals. Could an argument be made for him being the greatest player of all time?

I'm not saying the most accomplished, but the highest skilled player we've ever seen.

The way in shape soulkey destroyed people for two years straight makes it hard to argue Soma is better. You can even say that this run was pretty weak. Playing devil’s advocate here, but tulbo and Leta are pretty low tier players. Maybe two of the easiest quarter and semifinal opponents ever. And while Flash is Flash, he also has only been back one season on allegedly injured wrists. Meanwhile Soulkey simply torches everyone one of every race at every level for a long time. In my book Soulkey is still superior to Soma in the ASL era.
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doktordingerdonger
Profile Joined October 2025
129 Posts
May 24 2026 16:05 GMT
#593
You guys have to remember that of course if you were in a situation like Flash, it would never be over because you guys play vs 1500 MMR zergs and you can ape it out.

20 Pros have all said it was over and almost everyone here are like "flash can still win".



Rainalcar
Profile Joined April 2010
Croatia484 Posts
May 24 2026 16:17 GMT
#594
On May 24 2026 16:40 BLinD-RawR wrote:
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On May 24 2026 16:38 ShloobeR wrote:
I'm confused why people are blaming Soma for these aggressive builds when Flash is CCing first every single game


because its Flash's final ASL and nobody wanted him to go out that way, its understandable.


It's not his final ASL, mark my words. He's just a master in making a story of himself, this time making it look as if he's semi invalid. And I for one am extremely glad he lost.
j.r.r.
VioleTAK
Profile Joined July 2006
4408 Posts
May 24 2026 16:26 GMT
#595
This was a great finals!

The victory is earned and I'm very happy for Soma.

Flash had a fantastic season. A butterfly could flap his wings in Brazil and it would be different... com'on you guys, he's still the best and we all know it. So just realx and enjoy the result for what it is, a worthy result for a great season (and I believe it won't be Flash's last).

GGs!
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Intrepid_Manner1970
Profile Joined May 2026
1 Post
May 24 2026 16:28 GMT
#596
'He made Flash feel like Protoss does versus Zerg. '

Thats pretty much what mech openings do tbh.
TonDan04
Profile Joined October 2025
51 Posts
May 24 2026 16:33 GMT
#597
Not a good finals imo. Neither players battled it out to the end, instead just 'gg' as soon as they were disadvantaged. Easily one of the worst finals in recent memory.
Mumei
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States270 Posts
May 24 2026 16:35 GMT
#598
On May 25 2026 00:18 CicadaSC wrote:
Question.

Do you think the level of play in starleagues such as in this ASL has increased or decreased compared to kespa days?

If it has increased, and soma showing the level of dominance he has on his come up, this time even beating flash in the finals. Could an argument be made for him being the greatest player of all time?

I'm not saying the most accomplished, but the highest skilled player we've ever seen.


"Greatest player of all time" isn't interchangeable with "the highest skilled player we've ever seen", so I'll say no, there's no argument to be made for him being the greatest player of all time.
Maks
Profile Joined December 2010
Ukraine193 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-05-24 16:37:58
May 24 2026 16:37 GMT
#599
Mixed feelings about the finals. On one hand, I’m glad a Zerg won, on the other hand, neither Flash nor Soma played standard at all — Flash just spammed 14CC, while Soma relied on various all-ins.
Highgamer
Profile Joined October 2015
1470 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-05-24 16:59:17
May 24 2026 16:58 GMT
#600
On May 25 2026 00:28 vndestiny wrote:
Flash eco cheese every other game and no one bats an eye.

Soma lings all-in punish once or twice and everyone lost their mind.


I've read noone here saying "14 CC is not eco-cheese" or "Soma dirty cheese-winner" or "Flash could've won the game when gg was called".

Just some people arguing about the details of one particular game and what could've been (like most love to do here), and others not really taking part but paddling their narrative.

Everyone who's drawing Flash's play into question is talking about the situation right BEFORE he canceled his 2nd rax that was blocking the natural (except for 2 small chokes) - NOT the end-state of the game when he called gg because it was clearly over.
If Flash evacuates the main at that earlier point, he has a 12-13 SCV economy and a bunker to defend and build enough marines to clear the main and start using his 2nd CC; Soma's natural-hatch just started building and he has like 7-8 drones at home.
How is that a save win for Soma? Not like he's building up a standard 2hatch-muta from that. More like he needs to find a way to kick the bunker or kill some more SCVs quickly, with 9-10 lings (6 outside the wall) and 2 drones...
They showed the crowd at that point, Flash's mom in particular, hinting at "Flash might've just held this".

On May 25 2026 01:26 VioleTAK wrote:
This was a great finals!

The victory is earned and I'm very happy for Soma.

Flash had a fantastic season. A butterfly could flap his wings in Brazil and it would be different... com'on you guys, he's still the best and we all know it. So just realx and enjoy the result for what it is, a worthy result for a great season (and I believe it won't be Flash's last).

GGs!

Amen.

Soma won fair and square. Just don't come here and make idiots of people who seriously watch these games.
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