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ShowTheLights
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How in the WORLD did this happen with Mini's pick swap? I'm actually pissed because I love all 4 of these players especially Rain no seriously how did this group happen with Mini's pick swap, no way he would keep all 3 of these players in his group | ||
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t2azor
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On March 01 2022 12:32 ShowTheLights wrote: What the FUCK is this group!? Just saw the groups... How in the WORLD did this happen with Mini's pick swap? I'm actually pissed because I love all 4 of these players especially Rain no seriously how did this group happen with Mini's pick swap, no way he would keep all 3 of these players in his group lol mini didnt use his swap for himself but for shuttle | ||
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prosatan
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 I went against the trend and my LB is Rain and Royal  | ||
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2. Light | ||
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this easily could have been a semifinal field and I would not be surprised. And to think this is just one out of three groups that are like this in the ro16.. Yeah, this is a craziest and most stacked ASL ro16 ever for sure. Mini + Rain FIGHTING ! | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
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On March 01 2022 12:32 ShowTheLights wrote: What the FUCK is this group!? Just saw the groups... How in the WORLD did this happen with Mini's pick swap? I'm actually pissed because I love all 4 of these players especially Rain no seriously how did this group happen with Mini's pick swap, no way he would keep all 3 of these players in his group yeah.. haha. bonkers. | ||
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Sirris
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This group is impossible to predict. I could see any match played going any direction. Such a great group. Very excited for the games | ||
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Sirris
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On March 01 2022 12:32 ShowTheLights wrote: What the FUCK is this group!? Just saw the groups... How in the WORLD did this happen with Mini's pick swap? I'm actually pissed because I love all 4 of these players especially Rain no seriously how did this group happen with Mini's pick swap, no way he would keep all 3 of these players in his group I can see his overall strategy though. He will hope to make it through and in the process remove 2 extremely difficult bo 5 players. Not sure it's smart...but maybe it is. Basically I think he doesn't want to play a long series against any of these players. We will see | ||
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Sorusaba
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I feel like Light and Mini deserve to go on, but Royal is so great too, and Rain advancing would be awesome for the storyline as well as viewer numbers and all. Tough call! | ||
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On March 01 2022 18:59 t2azor wrote: someone casting this english real time? the english StarCast link is always in the OP | ||
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Ikirouta
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On March 01 2022 18:59 t2azor wrote: someone casting this english real time? starcrasttv as usual | ||
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prosatan
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On March 01 2022 18:59 t2azor wrote: someone casting this english real time? look here t2azor: https://tl.net/video/streams/StarCastTV_EN | ||
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prosatan
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And effort with 19k ! Seems like he is at Britney's place | ||
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emperorchampion
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what a fight outside the natural | ||
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On March 01 2022 19:33 BLinD-RawR wrote: SCV disco yeah lol | ||
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prosatan
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Mini already looks very upset... | ||
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Sorusaba
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Very well played by Light | ||
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Xeln4g4
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On March 01 2022 19:47 Sirris wrote: 100% agreeMini would've beat 99.9 % of terrans in the world with the game he played. Light wasn't one of them. I don't think the casters gave Light enough credit for the sick instant scv pull on his main turret to defend the dt early game. That was insane. | ||
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Soulforged
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Also didn't punish completely naked 4th/5th of Light despite having shuttle mobility. Just not fast enough overall. Situation was certainly winnable. | ||
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Sirris
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Very excited for this next game. I have no idea who is better. | ||
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Sirris
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And he does. Delays the CC. | ||
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On March 01 2022 19:57 Sirris wrote: Rain's build is just behind honestly. Not saying he's going to lose or anything, but Rain is behind in pure opening. Its gg already | ||
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prosatan
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On March 01 2022 20:00 Sirris wrote: Its a wild game so far. That run by really messed up the timing attack for Royal. And Rain got a quick 3rd. Royal has to know about that. It will just come down to whether Royal wants to risk an odd timing attack or play safe. I think he'll play safe Sirris | ||
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prosatan
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And now he is taking his 4th base | ||
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prosatan
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I would have lost this game as P 100 times ! | ||
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prosatan
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Good job Rain ! | ||
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prosatan
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His PvP (if mini wins vs Royal) is still top! | ||
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prosatan
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I'll drink a cup of coffee  | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On March 01 2022 20:07 prosatan wrote: Even if Rain loses to Light he still has a big chance to qualify vs Royal/Mini in the final match. His PvP (if mini wins vs Royal) is still top! his pvp is still top? ok not like mini has a 75% winrate in pvp or anything. | ||
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prosatan
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On March 01 2022 20:10 BLinD-RawR wrote: his pvp is still top? ok not like mini has a 75% winrate in pvp or anything. I used to think Rain solved PvP | ||
Poopi
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 Afreeca Starleague Season 13 does not seem to work.The correct link seems to be: AfreecaTV StarCraft League Remastered/13 | ||
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oxKnu
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It would be a definitive decider on who's the best PvPer in the world. | ||
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Sirris
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On March 01 2022 20:08 Sirris wrote: I really don't think Rain will lose to Light based on this game. I don't think Light is much better than Royal at this point. Light is a little better yes. But not much. Sorry to quote myself but it fits. | ||
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TMNT
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I have no idea how Rain was up to 170 supply when Light just barely had 100. Not much going on in the game up to that point. | ||
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Sirris
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On March 01 2022 20:52 BLinD-RawR wrote: Light consistently got more out of his vulture drops than rain got with his storm/reaver drops, rain's economy never felt safe this game. Absolutely. And he was able to place the mines before using the vultures and reuse his dropship. | ||
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Sirris
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A bad opening for sure but at least he isnt absolutely forced to rush cross map. | ||
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prosatan
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BLinD-RawR
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carrier game.... | ||
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prosatan
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Rain is a beast ! | ||
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Sirris
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prosatan
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Carriers being made | ||
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prosatan
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But we still haven't seen a PvP... | ||
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prosatan
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The terran player 910 ???? | ||
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Sirris
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take island third. Easier said than done though.Here's your chance Royal. Marine Vult scv push the nexus...save your vults into dropship later. Forge...cancel the rush, open cc and go siege and take fast 3rd. | ||
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emperorchampion
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like recall seems better than double shuttle drops | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On March 01 2022 21:47 emperorchampion wrote: arbiters seem better than shuttles for a lot of these harass plays, but idk the key is timing, midgame speed shuttle army is worth it but you need to get the timing right, you also need to get the timing to transition into arbs also right | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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wow you're really going to make me consider TvT? | ||
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On March 01 2022 22:09 emperorchampion wrote: wait what is happening not enough goliaths | ||
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Sorusaba
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I like how even the commentator who said he's a protoss player is like, "Carriers dude..." | ||
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emperorchampion
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too many carriers | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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terran player talking to protoss player. | ||
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Highgamer
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And the end, well that's why you add 10 turrets in your base at some point vs carriers. It's 750 minerals cheap. | ||
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Sirris
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On March 01 2022 22:13 angry_maia wrote: Good play by mini but big throw imo. Royal just spent too much time milling his army around and just lacked critical Goliath mass. I agree he should've played a lot more aggressive but the map is tough for that. So many very narrow chokes. | ||
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Sirris
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This could easily have been the final. At least before the season started it wouldn't be a bad prediction for the final. | ||
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emperorchampion
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On March 01 2022 22:13 angry_maia wrote: Good play by mini but big throw imo. Royal just spent too much time milling his army around and just lacked critical Goliath mass. I agree, but I wouldn't call it a throw. Royal was a bit too scared and gave mini the space he needed to get a critical carrier count. Probably Royal felt like there was no way to lose and played ever so slightly too passive. | ||
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angry_maia
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On March 01 2022 22:14 Sirris wrote: I agree he should've played a lot more aggressive but the map is tough for that. So many very narrow chokes. No doubt no doubt. Mini needed and took literally every break he could in that game. | ||
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angry_maia
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On March 01 2022 22:18 BLinD-RawR wrote: if Light doesn't go through Rush is the only person I can rely on, please come on light. After watching mini today, I feel like light is decently favored. Always bet on solid macro play | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
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![[image loading]](https://ausefultalenttoihave.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/makingcarriers.jpg) evergreen | ||
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On March 01 2022 22:41 BLinD-RawR wrote: or not only sometimes..  | ||
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Poll: Recommend Final Game Set 3? Yes (21) No (1) If you have time (1) 23 total votes Your vote: Recommend Final Game Set 3? Champs out | ||
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LpTraxamillion
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When the flex backfires. I'm sure Zero is happy though | ||
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Sorusaba
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Awesome games today, TvP all day | ||
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angry_maia
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On March 01 2022 22:58 J. Corsair wrote: Yes!!! I would've been bummed if Light hadn't made it out. Kind of sucks to see Mini gone in ro16, his games are always exciting and he probably would have shown lots of great games. Oh well, he will be back for sure. Even as a huge mini fan, going proxy gate 3 games in a row is just ... gross. Gotta be happy for light. | ||
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TMNT
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On March 01 2022 23:20 RowdierBob wrote: Wish Mini dived on top of Light’s siege tanks with his goons when Light made the aggressive push into his nat. I reckon that fight would’ve looked a whole lot different. If Dragoons move like Hydras, yes. Otherwise it'd be a goon massacre I think. That choke is too narrow. I think the correct play is not going Carrier. Light chose to 6 Fact even before he scanned the Stargate. An extra group of Zealot and a Shuttle would have smashed that push. Mini was far ahead after Light went 2 Rax. No need to resort to Carrier. | ||
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RKC
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Shame to have mini out. But Rain is definitely a worthy replacement. For Aiur! | ||
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Brainojack
Canada195 Posts
proxy gate gets stuffed, barracks lands and firebat gets probes but causes mini to open up that pylon wall, vulture run bys at 3rd, main and nat and mining up production. wraiths. Just picked him apart. Sweet pick mini. | ||
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Djabanete
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Great play by the winners Rain and Light. Tough break for Royal. That guy is really good and I wouldn't have been surprised to see him in the Ro4, but this Ro16 is stacked. | ||
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TMNT
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On March 02 2022 00:55 RKC wrote: Yeah, I really don't get mini picking Light at all. Why not a weaker Terran? Has he ran out of bag of builds against Zergs? The pool may be super stacked this season, but at least half of them make easier opponents. Shame to have mini out. But Rain is definitely a worthy replacement. For Aiur! Obviously he wanted to challenge himself with that group, while giving his friend Shuttle an easier group. Had he wanted an easy group, he would have picked ggaemo first, then switch one of the "weaker" Terran/Zerg, or any of the Protoss (except Rain) to his group. | ||
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On March 01 2022 18:54 RowdierBob wrote: Mini and Royal. Well played, me. | ||
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Djabanete
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Any outcome was plausible with this group! | ||
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Lazyer
United States343 Posts
Mini's PvT style is so erratic - carriers, mass HT w/o upgrades, DT run by LOL. By contrast, there were a bunch of instances where Rain would just pick off random tanks and just be super ahead. Forgot to put my LB in time for this one, but I'm rooting for Rain to take this ASL. | ||
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RKC
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On March 02 2022 02:13 TMNT wrote: Obviously he wanted to challenge himself with that group, while giving his friend Shuttle an easier group. Had he wanted an easy group, he would have picked ggaemo first, then switch one of the "weaker" Terran/Zerg, or any of the Protoss (except Rain) to his group. The pool is already stacked. Even with an easy first pick, the groups would still be evenly balanced. And the best way to challenge oneself is to advance and play BO5 against the top players. It's understandable if mini intends to play this season differently - more solidly (ala Flash trying funky TvZ builds in the penultimate season before switching to random). But here, mini is just sticking to the surprising bag of builds approach like previous two seasons. The 6DT against Light in the first game is really cool (but should've been reserved for later stages). Maybe he's trying to play mind games from the start, but he's just making his entire journey through the tournament unnecessarily more difficult by playing predictably by his own standards (by playing unpredictably). A better mind game would be to play more 'normally' in the group stage and then go crazy in the knockouts - which would mean choosing easier opponents. Sorry for being critical, but I have really been rooting for mini past two seasons. Just so disappointing that a 'big brain' player can make such sub-optimal decisions. Honestly, I don't think it's a matter of wanting to challenge or prove himself, but to give himself some excuse for losing this season. Want to prove yourself? Then just win multiple ASL like Zero and Flash* first. * Flash can do whatever he wants because, well, he's Flash and won so much already. mini somehow thinks the same way with just a single ASL win. (Also, despite mini losing to Light, I actually feel mini could've won in a straight-up BO5 series in the knockouts with more focused prep. And surely defeating a top Terran like Light that way is more satisfying and a bigger challenge. So I still don't get the logic of intentionally picking Light in the group.) | ||
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Sirris
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Also as I said earlier I think Mini had a lot of confidence and wanted to eliminate potential threats so as not to face them in bo5. If you get all the strong players in your group and make it through you won't have to face them until much later, or never. It didn't work out for him though. | ||
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ggsimida
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On March 02 2022 12:29 Galacsia wrote: I'm glad Light made it out. It kind of rubs me the wrong way how much the foreign community goes crazy over some players like Mini, Rain or Snow. And out of those 3, I like Rain the best, so I'm happy with the way this ASL is going so far. the most vocal are certainly protoss players themselves yea, and naturally they tend to hate zerg too. snow is defo overrated but mini deserves credit for his more creative approach to his gameplay and rain's all around gameplay is just so solid that even protoss haters will respect him.. | ||
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Sirris
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On March 02 2022 15:51 ggsimida wrote: the most vocal are certainly protoss players themselves yea, and naturally they tend to hate zerg too. snow is defo overrated but mini deserves credit for his more creative approach to his gameplay and rain's all around gameplay is just so solid that even protoss haters will respect him.. Not a protoss hater, not a lover, but I have to admit Rain is looking like a favorite to win this season. So much "talent". I only put it in quotes because I'm not sure what it is about Rain. But he has something special. | ||
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RKC
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On March 02 2022 15:49 Sirris wrote: I disagree that Mini's dt run by gambit was sub optimal. Light had godly reactions to the 2 dts that ran by. I'm sure Mini practiced this quite a bit and had a lot of success. Light is just another level above most(or all?) terrans today. As I mentioned earlier his instant reaction and just the technical skill of getting all of his scvs around that one turret saved him the game. Something Mini was not anticipating I'm sure. I think it was a build that had a lot of potential. Light just played really well against it. Also as I said earlier I think Mini had a lot of confidence and wanted to eliminate potential threats so as not to face them in bo5. If you get all the strong players in your group and make it through you won't have to face them until much later, or never. It didn't work out for him though. By sub-optimal, I was referring to his overall gameplan of picking strong opponents (Light) in his group. I liked the 6DT build - only gripe is that he should've hid the build until the knockout. If he was playing a weaker Terran, he would not need to reveal the build. | ||
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RKC
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On March 02 2022 15:53 Sirris wrote: Not a protoss hater, not a lover, but I have to admit Rain is looking like a favorite to win this season. So much "talent". I only put it in quotes because I'm not sure what it is about Rain. But he has something special. Rain is my fave. He may lack the flashiness of Bisu and mini. But he has that Flash-esque 'star sense' in his gameplay that's mesmerising to watch. His timings are so crisp and intuitive. I don't quite entirely understand how he turns some seemingly lost games around. But he plays with such calm precision as if sees the game in a different way and level beyond us mere noob viewers. | ||
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De4ngus
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On March 02 2022 12:29 Galacsia wrote: I'm glad Light made it out. It kind of rubs me the wrong way how much the foreign community goes crazy over some players like Mini, Rain or Snow. And out of those 3, I like Rain the best, so I'm happy with the way this ASL is going so far. How can you blame people for liking Mini? From his balls to the walls playstyle to emotional reactions. He brings the entertainment and has championship level skills to back it up. RIP Mini | ||
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Djabanete
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On March 02 2022 15:49 Sirris wrote: Also as I said earlier I think Mini had a lot of confidence and wanted to eliminate potential threats so as not to face them in bo5. If you get all the strong players in your group and make it through you won't have to face them until much later, or never. It didn't work out for him though. If you're favored against someone, then you'd rather face them in a Bo5 than a Bo1, since a Bo5 amplifies the skill difference. If you're unfavored against someone, your best strategy is to face them in a Bo1 and hope to get good luck. I don't think there's a way to rationalize Mini's choice to pick Light as maximizing Mini's chance to win the ASL. If he's favored against Light, then it's best to wait for a Bo5. If he's unfavored, he shouldn't take Light at all. The best play to maximize your chances at a gold medal is simply to take the weakest opponents available and try to limit the number of matchups you need to prepare for, which is what Flash always did. (1T, 3Z or 4T, for example.) I'm not calling Mini stupid. I'm just saying that he must have been optimizing around something else too. Maybe you get more career visibility points ( = viewers = $$) for breaking out of a killer group, and he thought it was worth the gamble, or something like that. Or maybe he's just such a sportsman that he didn't feel like using his outsized power over the Ro16 to favor himself. Who knows. | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
On March 05 2022 14:24 Djabanete wrote: If you're favored against someone, then you'd rather face them in a Bo5 than a Bo1, since a Bo5 amplifies the skill difference. If you're unfavored against someone, your best strategy is to face them in a Bo1 and hope to get good luck. I don't think there's a way to rationalize Mini's choice to pick Light as maximizing Mini's chance to win the ASL. If he's favored against Light, then it's best to wait for a Bo5. If he's unfavored, he shouldn't take Light at all. The best play to maximize your chances at a gold medal is simply to take the weakest opponents available and try to limit the number of matchups you need to prepare for, which is what Flash always did. (1T, 3Z or 4T, for example.) I'm not calling Mini stupid. I'm just saying that he must have been optimizing around something else too. Maybe you get more career visibility points ( = viewers = $$) for breaking out of a killer group, and he thought it was worth the gamble, or something like that. Or maybe he's just such a sportsman that he didn't feel like using his outsized power over the Ro16 to favor himself. Who knows. Fully agreed on the strategic advantage of picking on weaker opponents. Besides, even if one feels confident taking on their closest competitors, why tire oneself needlessly and reveal one's peak play to others? Playing more games against top opponents increases the risk of being taken down by a more rested opponent who's seen more of your games than you've seen theirs. But perhaps mini was quite content with his group because (1) he doesn't feel confident with PvZ (due to maps and Zerg players being super committed to taking him down); and (2) he doesn't see much difference in skill between the Terran players (eg Rush and JyJ) or even somehow rate Light as an easier opponent to prep against (based on current form). Since the group turned out with 2T and 2P, he was quite happy to use his pick to help his friend Shuttle instead. All in all, not entirely optimal, but still rational. | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
Light played a great series vs Mini's crazy antics, especially the last game. Hopefully he's able to make it far this ASL, and maybe finally grab an ASL win for himself. Guess time will tell. | ||
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