On February 05 2012 13:14 renzy wrote: The point was I said T8 cheesed all 3 games and people said they didn't. So I explained why the 3rd game was cheese?
Sigh, since everything is cheese to you, why should anyone care?
Ya, it is like saying that all three games were BW. I would call cheese a build which really relies on not being scouted, like JD's 5 pool. But this was a timing push which was all-in (and awesome ); that's it.
A timing push that is all-in needs to not be scouted. If scouted early, there's a good chance decent players will make the necessary adjustments to stop it.
Not really, often players with an advantage in a game prepare a "game ending" timing that cannot be stopped by their opponent assuming progamer level control on both sides. In my opinion this was one such case. Over and out.
Advantage? Jaehoon was slightly ahead, but he wasn't ahead enough to prepare a "game ending" timing that can not be stopped. Had Best ever bothered to check for dragoon range with a probe, he would have realized something is up. Had Best scouted with his observer earlier (I don't blame him for not scouting earlier in fear of DTs) and realized Jaehoon cut a ton of probes as well as dragoon range, I think there was a great chance Best could have cut probes to add enough gates and get a reaver out, to not take too much damage from that attack since he was holding the high ground.
Edit: Heck, had Best even got a glimpse of the zealot count, he could've prepared earlier to put up a better fight.
Edit 2: Do realize that Best had range and Jaehoon had no range. Best could have brought his dragoons further down the map to micro against the zealots while backing off to his cliff. That will greatly cut down the zealot number assuming Best doesn't completely fail at micro.
On February 05 2012 13:21 HighTemper wrote: Cheese or not cheese debate????
Jeez, you guys are turning this into the other SC's forum. IMO, game 3 is not a cheese. I'm outta here...
Thank you streamers. C ya in KT vs ACE.
More or less what I wanted to say. I don't understand why a build, "cheese" or not, has to be regarded as inferior to another build and its user derided.
In any case it showcased some poor scouting/reacting/defending from SKT. They seemed so shaky. I am disappoint.
On February 05 2012 13:21 HighTemper wrote: Cheese or not cheese debate????
Jeez, you guys are turning this into the other SC's forum. IMO, game 3 is not a cheese. I'm outta here...
Thank you streamers. C ya in KT vs ACE.
More or less what I wanted to say. I don't understand why a build, "cheese" or not, has to be regarded as inferior to another build and its user derided.
In any case it showcased some poor scouting/reacting/defending from SKT. They seemed so shaky. I am disappoint.
Jaehoon's build was very interesting and definitely not "cheesy" to say the least
EPT
); that's it.
