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On February 05 2012 13:15 hellbound wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2012 13:12 Xiphos wrote:On February 05 2012 13:10 George_the_man wrote:On February 05 2012 13:05 renzy wrote:On February 05 2012 13:02 George_the_man wrote:On February 05 2012 13:01 renzy wrote:On February 05 2012 12:59 Sawamura wrote:On February 05 2012 12:57 renzy wrote:
Man wtf. T8 cheesed all 3 games. WTF that was ridiculous. I wouldn't call the 2 gate Fe a cheese actually it's quite economical. 2 Gate FE wasn't cheese. The followup was. No range and probe cuts that early? Yea it's definitely cheese alright. Jaehoon had barely enough probes to support 5 gates. A fully saturated 2 base protoss can support 8 gates without making probes. That'll give you an idea how much probes Jaehoon cut. ye sure , any timing attack is cheese , if that makes u feel better about that loss sure why not to believe that Cheese is defined as if you fail to do significant damage with the attack, you're very behind. I doubt that is definition of cheese , that word is used way to often in TL .. it rather describes the all-in attack A cheese is a risky build such that it depends entirely on the perceived scouting information of the opponent(s). If scouted ->lose, if not-> win. Then game 3 was not cheese. There was little Best could've done to stop that timing, maybe if he sacced the nat, but that's a losing game. Reaver+better composition+moar gates. Sigh, confusing. How about we drop the cheese talk and rely on the recommended polls?
And you are saying that I accused Hoon of cheesing?
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On February 05 2012 13:14 George_the_man wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2012 13:12 Xiphos wrote:On February 05 2012 13:10 George_the_man wrote:On February 05 2012 13:05 renzy wrote:On February 05 2012 13:02 George_the_man wrote:On February 05 2012 13:01 renzy wrote:On February 05 2012 12:59 Sawamura wrote:On February 05 2012 12:57 renzy wrote:
Man wtf. T8 cheesed all 3 games. WTF that was ridiculous. I wouldn't call the 2 gate Fe a cheese actually it's quite economical. 2 Gate FE wasn't cheese. The followup was. No range and probe cuts that early? Yea it's definitely cheese alright. Jaehoon had barely enough probes to support 5 gates. A fully saturated 2 base protoss can support 8 gates without making probes. That'll give you an idea how much probes Jaehoon cut. ye sure , any timing attack is cheese , if that makes u feel better about that loss sure why not to believe that Cheese is defined as if you fail to do significant damage with the attack, you're very behind. I doubt that is definition of cheese , that word is used way to often in TL .. it rather describes the all-in attack A cheese is a risky build such that it depends entirely on the perceived scouting information of the opponent(s). If scouted ->lose, if not-> win. ok so with that logic for example 2 base carrier is cheese?
That's why you see most protoss go 12 nexus -> 2 base carrier against terran. There is a very small timing the terran can utilize, if their build order allow, to try to punish the 2 base carrier. If someone went say 3 goon expand into 2 base carrier (I don't think any sane protoss would do that), then it's probably a cheese, if the terran didn't stay on 1 factory the entire game.
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On February 05 2012 13:15 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2012 13:14 George_the_man wrote:On February 05 2012 13:12 Xiphos wrote:On February 05 2012 13:10 George_the_man wrote:On February 05 2012 13:05 renzy wrote:On February 05 2012 13:02 George_the_man wrote:On February 05 2012 13:01 renzy wrote:On February 05 2012 12:59 Sawamura wrote:On February 05 2012 12:57 renzy wrote:
Man wtf. T8 cheesed all 3 games. WTF that was ridiculous. I wouldn't call the 2 gate Fe a cheese actually it's quite economical. 2 Gate FE wasn't cheese. The followup was. No range and probe cuts that early? Yea it's definitely cheese alright. Jaehoon had barely enough probes to support 5 gates. A fully saturated 2 base protoss can support 8 gates without making probes. That'll give you an idea how much probes Jaehoon cut. ye sure , any timing attack is cheese , if that makes u feel better about that loss sure why not to believe that Cheese is defined as if you fail to do significant damage with the attack, you're very behind. I doubt that is definition of cheese , that word is used way to often in TL .. it rather describes the all-in attack A cheese is a risky build such that it depends entirely on the perceived scouting information of the opponent(s). If scouted ->lose, if not-> win. ok so with that logic for example 2 base carrier is cheese? A protoss did it vs Hiya. Hiya scouted it, produced marines and won.
It was Violet. Good game btw.
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On February 05 2012 13:15 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2012 13:14 George_the_man wrote:On February 05 2012 13:12 Xiphos wrote:On February 05 2012 13:10 George_the_man wrote:On February 05 2012 13:05 renzy wrote:On February 05 2012 13:02 George_the_man wrote:On February 05 2012 13:01 renzy wrote:On February 05 2012 12:59 Sawamura wrote:On February 05 2012 12:57 renzy wrote:
Man wtf. T8 cheesed all 3 games. WTF that was ridiculous. I wouldn't call the 2 gate Fe a cheese actually it's quite economical. 2 Gate FE wasn't cheese. The followup was. No range and probe cuts that early? Yea it's definitely cheese alright. Jaehoon had barely enough probes to support 5 gates. A fully saturated 2 base protoss can support 8 gates without making probes. That'll give you an idea how much probes Jaehoon cut. ye sure , any timing attack is cheese , if that makes u feel better about that loss sure why not to believe that Cheese is defined as if you fail to do significant damage with the attack, you're very behind. I doubt that is definition of cheese , that word is used way to often in TL .. it rather describes the all-in attack A cheese is a risky build such that it depends entirely on the perceived scouting information of the opponent(s). If scouted ->lose, if not-> win. ok so with that logic for example 2 base carrier is cheese? A protoss did it vs Hiya. Hiya scouted it, produced marines and won.
The protoss was KT Violet actually.
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On February 05 2012 13:15 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2012 13:14 George_the_man wrote:On February 05 2012 13:12 Xiphos wrote:On February 05 2012 13:10 George_the_man wrote:On February 05 2012 13:05 renzy wrote:On February 05 2012 13:02 George_the_man wrote:On February 05 2012 13:01 renzy wrote:On February 05 2012 12:59 Sawamura wrote:On February 05 2012 12:57 renzy wrote:
Man wtf. T8 cheesed all 3 games. WTF that was ridiculous. I wouldn't call the 2 gate Fe a cheese actually it's quite economical. 2 Gate FE wasn't cheese. The followup was. No range and probe cuts that early? Yea it's definitely cheese alright. Jaehoon had barely enough probes to support 5 gates. A fully saturated 2 base protoss can support 8 gates without making probes. That'll give you an idea how much probes Jaehoon cut. ye sure , any timing attack is cheese , if that makes u feel better about that loss sure why not to believe that Cheese is defined as if you fail to do significant damage with the attack, you're very behind. I doubt that is definition of cheese , that word is used way to often in TL .. it rather describes the all-in attack A cheese is a risky build such that it depends entirely on the perceived scouting information of the opponent(s). If scouted ->lose, if not-> win. ok so with that logic for example 2 base carrier is cheese? A protoss did it vs Hiya. Hiya scouted it, produced marines and won.
was that a "yes" ? > <
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Netherlands45349 Posts
On February 05 2012 13:16 renzy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2012 13:14 George_the_man wrote:On February 05 2012 13:12 Xiphos wrote:On February 05 2012 13:10 George_the_man wrote:On February 05 2012 13:05 renzy wrote:On February 05 2012 13:02 George_the_man wrote:On February 05 2012 13:01 renzy wrote:On February 05 2012 12:59 Sawamura wrote:On February 05 2012 12:57 renzy wrote:
Man wtf. T8 cheesed all 3 games. WTF that was ridiculous. I wouldn't call the 2 gate Fe a cheese actually it's quite economical. 2 Gate FE wasn't cheese. The followup was. No range and probe cuts that early? Yea it's definitely cheese alright. Jaehoon had barely enough probes to support 5 gates. A fully saturated 2 base protoss can support 8 gates without making probes. That'll give you an idea how much probes Jaehoon cut. ye sure , any timing attack is cheese , if that makes u feel better about that loss sure why not to believe that Cheese is defined as if you fail to do significant damage with the attack, you're very behind. I doubt that is definition of cheese , that word is used way to often in TL .. it rather describes the all-in attack A cheese is a risky build such that it depends entirely on the perceived scouting information of the opponent(s). If scouted ->lose, if not-> win. ok so with that logic for example 2 base carrier is cheese? That's why you see most protoss go 12 nexus -> 2 base carrier against terran. There is a very small timing the terran can utilize, if their build order allow, to try to punish the 2 base carrier. If someone went say 3 goon expand into 2 base carrier (I don't think any sane protoss would do that), then it's probably a cheese, if the terran didn't stay on 1 factory the entire game.
is 4fac push cheese?if you don't do significant damage, you are severly behind
is 6fac cheese?
is hiya 10fac cheese?
Your logic doesnt make sense.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50118 Posts
On February 05 2012 13:17 moopie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2012 13:15 Xiphos wrote:On February 05 2012 13:14 George_the_man wrote:On February 05 2012 13:12 Xiphos wrote:On February 05 2012 13:10 George_the_man wrote:On February 05 2012 13:05 renzy wrote:On February 05 2012 13:02 George_the_man wrote:On February 05 2012 13:01 renzy wrote:On February 05 2012 12:59 Sawamura wrote:On February 05 2012 12:57 renzy wrote:
Man wtf. T8 cheesed all 3 games. WTF that was ridiculous. I wouldn't call the 2 gate Fe a cheese actually it's quite economical. 2 Gate FE wasn't cheese. The followup was. No range and probe cuts that early? Yea it's definitely cheese alright. Jaehoon had barely enough probes to support 5 gates. A fully saturated 2 base protoss can support 8 gates without making probes. That'll give you an idea how much probes Jaehoon cut. ye sure , any timing attack is cheese , if that makes u feel better about that loss sure why not to believe that Cheese is defined as if you fail to do significant damage with the attack, you're very behind. I doubt that is definition of cheese , that word is used way to often in TL .. it rather describes the all-in attack A cheese is a risky build such that it depends entirely on the perceived scouting information of the opponent(s). If scouted ->lose, if not-> win. ok so with that logic for example 2 base carrier is cheese? A protoss did it vs Hiya. Hiya scouted it, produced marines and won. It was Violet. Good game btw.
didn't light beat stork on beltway last season the same way?
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On February 05 2012 13:17 Sawamura wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2012 13:15 Xiphos wrote:On February 05 2012 13:14 George_the_man wrote:On February 05 2012 13:12 Xiphos wrote:On February 05 2012 13:10 George_the_man wrote:On February 05 2012 13:05 renzy wrote:On February 05 2012 13:02 George_the_man wrote:On February 05 2012 13:01 renzy wrote:On February 05 2012 12:59 Sawamura wrote:On February 05 2012 12:57 renzy wrote:
Man wtf. T8 cheesed all 3 games. WTF that was ridiculous. I wouldn't call the 2 gate Fe a cheese actually it's quite economical. 2 Gate FE wasn't cheese. The followup was. No range and probe cuts that early? Yea it's definitely cheese alright. Jaehoon had barely enough probes to support 5 gates. A fully saturated 2 base protoss can support 8 gates without making probes. That'll give you an idea how much probes Jaehoon cut. ye sure , any timing attack is cheese , if that makes u feel better about that loss sure why not to believe that Cheese is defined as if you fail to do significant damage with the attack, you're very behind. I doubt that is definition of cheese , that word is used way to often in TL .. it rather describes the all-in attack A cheese is a risky build such that it depends entirely on the perceived scouting information of the opponent(s). If scouted ->lose, if not-> win. ok so with that logic for example 2 base carrier is cheese? A protoss did it vs Hiya. Hiya scouted it, produced marines and won. The protoss was KT Violet actually.
On February 05 2012 13:17 moopie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2012 13:15 Xiphos wrote:On February 05 2012 13:14 George_the_man wrote:On February 05 2012 13:12 Xiphos wrote:On February 05 2012 13:10 George_the_man wrote:On February 05 2012 13:05 renzy wrote:On February 05 2012 13:02 George_the_man wrote:On February 05 2012 13:01 renzy wrote:On February 05 2012 12:59 Sawamura wrote:On February 05 2012 12:57 renzy wrote:
Man wtf. T8 cheesed all 3 games. WTF that was ridiculous. I wouldn't call the 2 gate Fe a cheese actually it's quite economical. 2 Gate FE wasn't cheese. The followup was. No range and probe cuts that early? Yea it's definitely cheese alright. Jaehoon had barely enough probes to support 5 gates. A fully saturated 2 base protoss can support 8 gates without making probes. That'll give you an idea how much probes Jaehoon cut. ye sure , any timing attack is cheese , if that makes u feel better about that loss sure why not to believe that Cheese is defined as if you fail to do significant damage with the attack, you're very behind. I doubt that is definition of cheese , that word is used way to often in TL .. it rather describes the all-in attack A cheese is a risky build such that it depends entirely on the perceived scouting information of the opponent(s). If scouted ->lose, if not-> win. ok so with that logic for example 2 base carrier is cheese? A protoss did it vs Hiya. Hiya scouted it, produced marines and won. It was Violet. Good game btw.
Thanks guys.
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On February 05 2012 13:14 renzy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2012 13:13 hellbound wrote:On February 05 2012 13:08 renzy wrote:On February 05 2012 13:06 Sawamura wrote:On February 05 2012 13:05 renzy wrote:On February 05 2012 13:02 George_the_man wrote:On February 05 2012 13:01 renzy wrote:On February 05 2012 12:59 Sawamura wrote:On February 05 2012 12:57 renzy wrote:
Man wtf. T8 cheesed all 3 games. WTF that was ridiculous. I wouldn't call the 2 gate Fe a cheese actually it's quite economical. 2 Gate FE wasn't cheese. The followup was. No range and probe cuts that early? Yea it's definitely cheese alright. Jaehoon had barely enough probes to support 5 gates. A fully saturated 2 base protoss can support 8 gates without making probes. That'll give you an idea how much probes Jaehoon cut. ye sure , any timing attack is cheese , if that makes u feel better about that loss sure why not to believe that Cheese is defined as if you fail to do significant damage with the attack, you're very behind. Timings attacks, excluding some extreme variantions of 5-6 facs with SCV cuts aren't. The timing that comes from the +1 2 gate zeal attack is not all in, the protoss doesnt need to do damage since the protoss didnt delay tech or probes. If Jaehoon's little 5 gate attack failed, he's pretty screwed since Best has more probes while Jaehoon didn't even have dragoon range. I bet jaehoon mineral income was much more higher than his gas that's why he can afford the 5 gate . So what? He cut a ton of probes, and stopped dragoon range. Maybe you guys don't realize how big of a deal this is, but try fighting ranged goon with none ranged dragoons. @sM.Zik Intelligent play can be cheese. When you cut so many probes and skip a vital upgrade, it's called cheese. Sure it's a clever play, but never the less its an all-in strategy. Given how wide your definition of "cheese" is it loses its derogatory potency and is rather redundant. In conclusion: Did Jeahoon cheese? Yes (according to your standards) Was it a good game regardless? Yes So what's the point? Dunno The point was I said T8 cheesed all 3 games and people said they didn't. So I explained why the 3rd game was cheese?
Sigh, since everything is cheese to you, why should anyone care?
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On February 05 2012 13:15 hellbound wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2012 13:12 Xiphos wrote:On February 05 2012 13:10 George_the_man wrote:On February 05 2012 13:05 renzy wrote:On February 05 2012 13:02 George_the_man wrote:On February 05 2012 13:01 renzy wrote:On February 05 2012 12:59 Sawamura wrote:On February 05 2012 12:57 renzy wrote:
Man wtf. T8 cheesed all 3 games. WTF that was ridiculous. I wouldn't call the 2 gate Fe a cheese actually it's quite economical. 2 Gate FE wasn't cheese. The followup was. No range and probe cuts that early? Yea it's definitely cheese alright. Jaehoon had barely enough probes to support 5 gates. A fully saturated 2 base protoss can support 8 gates without making probes. That'll give you an idea how much probes Jaehoon cut. ye sure , any timing attack is cheese , if that makes u feel better about that loss sure why not to believe that Cheese is defined as if you fail to do significant damage with the attack, you're very behind. I doubt that is definition of cheese , that word is used way to often in TL .. it rather describes the all-in attack A cheese is a risky build such that it depends entirely on the perceived scouting information of the opponent(s). If scouted ->lose, if not-> win. Then game 3 was not cheese. There was little Best could've done to stop that timing, maybe if he sacced the nat, but that's a losing game. Reaver+better composition+moar gates. Sigh, confusing. How about we drop the cheese talk and rely on the recommended polls?
If best saw the probe cut that early and realized Jaehoon had no range on his goons EARLY ENOUGH, he could've added a robotics support himself while cutting some probes to add gates and get reavers out to help stop that timing. Don't tell me it's not possible because had Best gone to scout Jaehoon's base with his first observer right away, he might have held it off using the cliff advantage while microing his dragoons to pick off zealots while backing off to his own cliff.
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Ur definition of cheese is so wide that any non standard game is cheese ...
You are wrong
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On February 05 2012 13:18 Kipsate wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2012 13:16 renzy wrote:On February 05 2012 13:14 George_the_man wrote:On February 05 2012 13:12 Xiphos wrote:On February 05 2012 13:10 George_the_man wrote:On February 05 2012 13:05 renzy wrote:On February 05 2012 13:02 George_the_man wrote:On February 05 2012 13:01 renzy wrote:On February 05 2012 12:59 Sawamura wrote:On February 05 2012 12:57 renzy wrote:
Man wtf. T8 cheesed all 3 games. WTF that was ridiculous. I wouldn't call the 2 gate Fe a cheese actually it's quite economical. 2 Gate FE wasn't cheese. The followup was. No range and probe cuts that early? Yea it's definitely cheese alright. Jaehoon had barely enough probes to support 5 gates. A fully saturated 2 base protoss can support 8 gates without making probes. That'll give you an idea how much probes Jaehoon cut. ye sure , any timing attack is cheese , if that makes u feel better about that loss sure why not to believe that Cheese is defined as if you fail to do significant damage with the attack, you're very behind. I doubt that is definition of cheese , that word is used way to often in TL .. it rather describes the all-in attack A cheese is a risky build such that it depends entirely on the perceived scouting information of the opponent(s). If scouted ->lose, if not-> win. ok so with that logic for example 2 base carrier is cheese? That's why you see most protoss go 12 nexus -> 2 base carrier against terran. There is a very small timing the terran can utilize, if their build order allow, to try to punish the 2 base carrier. If someone went say 3 goon expand into 2 base carrier (I don't think any sane protoss would do that), then it's probably a cheese, if the terran didn't stay on 1 factory the entire game. is 4fac push cheese?if you don't do significant damage, you are severly behind is 6fac cheese? is hiya 10fac cheese? Your logic doesnt make sense.
Like I said earlier, our definition of cheese is all-in. Yes 4 fac and 6 fac is all in. I'm sure most people would agree that if you fuck up your 4 fac or 6 fac hard, you pretty much lose.
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Cheese or not cheese debate????
Jeez, you guys are turning this into the other SC's forum. IMO, game 3 is not a cheese. I'm outta here...
Thank you streamers. C ya in KT vs ACE.
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On February 05 2012 13:16 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2012 13:15 hellbound wrote:On February 05 2012 13:12 Xiphos wrote:On February 05 2012 13:10 George_the_man wrote:On February 05 2012 13:05 renzy wrote:On February 05 2012 13:02 George_the_man wrote:On February 05 2012 13:01 renzy wrote:On February 05 2012 12:59 Sawamura wrote:On February 05 2012 12:57 renzy wrote:
Man wtf. T8 cheesed all 3 games. WTF that was ridiculous. I wouldn't call the 2 gate Fe a cheese actually it's quite economical. 2 Gate FE wasn't cheese. The followup was. No range and probe cuts that early? Yea it's definitely cheese alright. Jaehoon had barely enough probes to support 5 gates. A fully saturated 2 base protoss can support 8 gates without making probes. That'll give you an idea how much probes Jaehoon cut. ye sure , any timing attack is cheese , if that makes u feel better about that loss sure why not to believe that Cheese is defined as if you fail to do significant damage with the attack, you're very behind. I doubt that is definition of cheese , that word is used way to often in TL .. it rather describes the all-in attack A cheese is a risky build such that it depends entirely on the perceived scouting information of the opponent(s). If scouted ->lose, if not-> win. Then game 3 was not cheese. There was little Best could've done to stop that timing, maybe if he sacced the nat, but that's a losing game. Reaver+better composition+moar gates. Sigh, confusing. How about we drop the cheese talk and rely on the recommended polls? And you are saying that I accused Hoon of cheesing?
Um read first sentence again?
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On February 05 2012 13:18 hellbound wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2012 13:14 renzy wrote:
The point was I said T8 cheesed all 3 games and people said they didn't. So I explained why the 3rd game was cheese? Sigh, since everything is cheese to you, why should anyone care?
Ya, it is like saying that all three games were BW. I would call cheese a build which really relies on not being scouted, like JD's 5 pool. But this was a timing push which was all-in (and awesome  ); that's it.
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On February 05 2012 13:21 zlosynus wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2012 13:18 hellbound wrote:On February 05 2012 13:14 renzy wrote:
The point was I said T8 cheesed all 3 games and people said they didn't. So I explained why the 3rd game was cheese? Sigh, since everything is cheese to you, why should anyone care? Ya, it is like saying that all three games were BW. I would call cheese a build which really relies on not being scouted, like JD's 5 pool. But this was a timing push which was all-in (and awesome ); that's it.
A timing push that is all-in needs to not be scouted. If scouted early, there's a good chance decent players will make the necessary adjustments to stop it.
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On February 05 2012 13:21 HighTemper wrote:
Cheese or not cheese debate????
Jeez, you guys are turning this into the other SC's forum. IMO, game 3 is not a cheese. I'm outta here...
Thank you streamers. C ya in KT vs ACE.
You just added your opinion to the debate -___-
Like realising that your new circle of friends are all serial arsonists and exclaiming:
"Whoa, I'm not into that shit, I'm just leaving this barrel of aviation fuel here and I'm outta here!"
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On February 05 2012 13:21 hellbound wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2012 13:16 Xiphos wrote:On February 05 2012 13:15 hellbound wrote:On February 05 2012 13:12 Xiphos wrote:On February 05 2012 13:10 George_the_man wrote:On February 05 2012 13:05 renzy wrote:On February 05 2012 13:02 George_the_man wrote:On February 05 2012 13:01 renzy wrote:On February 05 2012 12:59 Sawamura wrote:On February 05 2012 12:57 renzy wrote:
Man wtf. T8 cheesed all 3 games. WTF that was ridiculous. I wouldn't call the 2 gate Fe a cheese actually it's quite economical. 2 Gate FE wasn't cheese. The followup was. No range and probe cuts that early? Yea it's definitely cheese alright. Jaehoon had barely enough probes to support 5 gates. A fully saturated 2 base protoss can support 8 gates without making probes. That'll give you an idea how much probes Jaehoon cut. ye sure , any timing attack is cheese , if that makes u feel better about that loss sure why not to believe that Cheese is defined as if you fail to do significant damage with the attack, you're very behind. I doubt that is definition of cheese , that word is used way to often in TL .. it rather describes the all-in attack A cheese is a risky build such that it depends entirely on the perceived scouting information of the opponent(s). If scouted ->lose, if not-> win. Then game 3 was not cheese. There was little Best could've done to stop that timing, maybe if he sacced the nat, but that's a losing game. Reaver+better composition+moar gates. Sigh, confusing. How about we drop the cheese talk and rely on the recommended polls? And you are saying that I accused Hoon of cheesing? Um read first sentence again?
'how about we drop the cheese talk' had an implication that I was accusing Hoon of cheesing and you wanted to change the topic..
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Well I don't think cheese is negative. Cheese is very important and helps make this game great.
edit: yeah anyway I don't care.
Really WP by Team 8, glad to see them winning. I was torn who to root for tonight.
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On February 05 2012 13:23 renzy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2012 13:21 zlosynus wrote:On February 05 2012 13:18 hellbound wrote:On February 05 2012 13:14 renzy wrote:
The point was I said T8 cheesed all 3 games and people said they didn't. So I explained why the 3rd game was cheese? Sigh, since everything is cheese to you, why should anyone care? Ya, it is like saying that all three games were BW. I would call cheese a build which really relies on not being scouted, like JD's 5 pool. But this was a timing push which was all-in (and awesome ); that's it. A timing push that is all-in needs to not be scouted. If scouted early, there's a good chance decent players will make the necessary adjustments to stop it.
Not really, often players with an advantage in a game prepare a "game ending" timing that cannot be stopped by their opponent assuming progamer level control on both sides. In my opinion this was one such case. Over and out.
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