From twelve preliminary groups, one player in each advances through a single-elimination bracket to the OSL Round of 24 Dual Tournament. Normally, they would join 12 more players that placed 16th-5th in the most recent OSL. This time around though, because HoGiL retired there was a wildcard tournament in the preliminaries for a thirteenth spot, fought over by the twelve finalists that didn't advance from the group stages.
The players of the Round of 24 are then split into 6 different groups of four each, and compete in a double elimination fashion. If a player can get two wins before he gets two losses, then he advances to the next round. If he can’t, then he is eliminated. Two players from each group of four will have the chance to continue to fight for this season’s title. Thus, twelve players will advance from the Round of 24 Dual Tournament.
These twelve will join the four players that made it to the semifinals of the most recent OSL in the Round of 16, and will be split into four groups of four. Since the Round of 16 is done in Round Robin fashion, each player will play the other three in his group, with the top two advancing. If there are any ties, tiebreakers will be played.
The rest of the rounds are straight-forward BoX matches (where X is 3 for quarterfinals and 5 for semifinals and the final) with single elimination. There is no third place match.
Players Non-indented players qualified for the Round of 24 Dual Tournament through the Preliminaries. Indented players qualified for the Round of 24 Dual Tournament through placement (16th-5th) in the 2010 Bacchus OSL Doubly indented players are seeded directly into the Round of 16 by virtue of being the top four finishers in the 2010 Bacchus OSL
Pride of War -- Terran (8) BaBy -- Jun Tae Yang Bogus -- Lee Shin Hyung Major -- Kang Jung Woo Flash -- Lee Young Ho HiyA -- Ku Sung Hoon Mind -- Park Sung Gyoon Sea -- Yum Bo Sung Fantasy -- Jung Myung Hoon
Overcome All -- Zerg (13) hero -- Jo Il Jang HyuN -- Ko Seok Hyun hyvaa -- Shin Dae Kun Killer -- Park Joon Oh n.Die_soO -- Eu Yoon Su RorO -- Shin No Yeol s2 -- Lee Seung Suk Hyuk -- Park Jae Hyuk Hydra -- Shin Dong Won Jaedong -- Lee Jae Dong Shine -- Lee Young Han Calm -- Kim Yoon Hwan Modesty -- Kim Hyun Woo
Victory After Victory -- Protoss (7) JangBi -- Heo Yeong Moo Shuttle -- Kim Yoon Joong Tempest -- Park Jae Yung free -- Yoon Yong Tae Kal -- Kim Ku Hyun Paralyze -- Jung Kyung Doo Stork -- Song Byung Goo
On June 21 2011 03:24 flamewheel wrote: By the way, does anybody know who the sponsor is for this OSL?
Not announced yet. They will soon though, probably when the Ro16 comes around. Maybe you could call it "MyStarleague" OSL for now?
I believe it is actually a company called "MY," so MyOSL should work for now. Edit: at least that is what eton7410 said on his stream.
...I'm quite positive that "MyStarleague" was used just as a term for the new Pro-Am format, and that there are no sponsors announced yet. I don't think that there is a company called "My", or else the Korean websites would refer to the OSL as "MyOSL", but they're calling it just "Starleague" for now.
Ew, this is totally a "holier than thou" tone. I don't mean it to sound that way. D|
free's group could have been a lot worse. that said, apart from group a they all look somewhat weak. guess that's a side effect of the ridiculous qualifier carnage
On June 21 2011 06:41 sixfour wrote: free's group could have been a lot worse. that said, apart from group a they all look somewhat weak. guess that's a side effect of the ridiculous qualifier carnage
I guess you didn't see Hyuk in that group. PARK JAE HYUK HWAITING!
Group A = Group D of the MSL. except instead of sea is bogus and hyun is bisu... well, in term of skill it would be bogus as bisu and hyun as sea... poor hyun FlaSh 2-0 JD 2-1. FLASH FIGHTING!
On June 21 2011 06:41 sixfour wrote: free's group could have been a lot worse. that said, apart from group a they all look somewhat weak. guess that's a side effect of the ridiculous qualifier carnage
I guess you didn't see Hyuk in that group. PARK JAE HYUK HWAITING!
Yeah! Gescom's got the right idea! Hyuk will 2-0 his group & just a question, for the player records, are those for all recent winners or?
On June 21 2011 07:54 FreezerJumps wrote: Why is Effort in the "Player Records" section?
Edit: s2 is missing from the Teams breakdown.
The same reason Movie, Best, and Reach are?
Those are golds and silvers for active players, even if they have already been eliminated.
This is an incomplete list though. Anytime and Iris are still active, so they should also be included. I believe XellOs is also technically not retired.
Any word on whether groups will be decided randomly again? I hope not; that was dumb.
So many zergs, lucky for Fantasy he should have some switcheroo powers as the OSL winner.
Actually most of these Zergs are not a big deal, without Soulkey it will be just another flip coin (if Fantasy will get out of his slump, offcourse) as i dont believe fantasy wants to chalange JD.
Sacsri W Hydra L Crazy-Hydra W Hyuk W Perfective WW n.Die_soO LL Zero W s2 W Hyun W
Total: 24-3 (88.9%) If you take out the games against Tossgirl and Sang, he still have a 87% winrate. Compare that to Bisu's record over the same period: 17-5 (77.3%)
On July 02 2011 06:57 gen.Sun wrote: Is this the end? The last story of Starcraft? Zerg OP?
On July 02 2011 09:09 Crisium wrote: And let this be the end of the discussion of which matchup is the most imbalanced. Z>P always and forever.
Seriously you guys? Give some explanations because zergs are far from OP. There are just many more good players that play the zerg race instead of protoss. Look at how Protoss do well in proleague compared to starleagues. I don't have statistics but Protoss seems to be the strongest this year (in proleague). I think they just lack clutch players who knows how to perform in individuals.
On July 02 2011 09:09 Crisium wrote: And let this be the end of the discussion of which matchup is the most imbalanced. Z>P always and forever.
Seriously you guys? Give some explanations because zergs are far from OP. There are just many more good players that play the zerg race instead of protoss. Look at how Protoss do well in proleague compared to starleagues. I don't have statistics but Protoss seems to be the strongest this year (in proleague). I think they just lack clutch players who knows how to perform in individuals.
Yeah, most Protoss players are loyal to Bisu, and follow his example. That's why they suck in SLs.
On July 02 2011 06:57 gen.Sun wrote: Is this the end? The last story of Starcraft? Zerg OP?
On July 02 2011 09:09 Crisium wrote: And let this be the end of the discussion of which matchup is the most imbalanced. Z>P always and forever.
Seriously you guys? Give some explanations because zergs are far from OP. There are just many more good players that play the zerg race instead of protoss. Look at how Protoss do well in proleague compared to starleagues. I don't have statistics but Protoss seems to be the strongest this year (in proleague). I think they just lack clutch players who knows how to perform in individuals.
Yeah, most Protoss players are loyal to Bisu, and follow his example. That's why they suck in SLs.
Personally I don't really enjoy any mirror MUs but at least ZvZ tend to be short and action packed. And TvZ is the shit, so this OSL shouldn't be that bad.
I hope Killer will prove he's a worthy heir to the throne of the Dong by some stellar ZvZ.
we're only gonna have 1 group with 3 zergs and 1 terran, 3 groups with 2 zergs, 1 group with 2 terrans. Tosses obviously in different groups. In other words, each group is 2Z + 1T + 1 of (2P, 1T, 1Z), and hopefully most of the zergs will go down in that stage.
we're only gonna have 1 group with 3 zergs and 1 terran, 3 groups with 2 zergs, 1 group with 2 terrans. Tosses obviously in different groups. In other words, each group is 2Z + 1T + 1 of (2P, 1T, 1Z), and hopefully most of the zergs will go down in that stage.
They got rid of that a long time ago. I remember the all-zerg group in ever 2008 osl.
I still don't understand this aversion that so many people have for ZvZ Bo3/5.
we're only gonna have 1 group with 3 zergs and 1 terran, 3 groups with 2 zergs, 1 group with 2 terrans. Tosses obviously in different groups. In other words, each group is 2Z + 1T + 1 of (2P, 1T, 1Z), and hopefully most of the zergs will go down in that stage.
They got rid of that a long time ago. I remember the all-zerg group in ever 2008 osl.
I still don't understand this aversion that so many people have for ZvZ Bo3/5.
zvz is the best
plus there's wayyy too many zergs in this osl (and also the msl)
we're only gonna have 1 group with 3 zergs and 1 terran, 3 groups with 2 zergs, 1 group with 2 terrans. Tosses obviously in different groups. In other words, each group is 2Z + 1T + 1 of (2P, 1T, 1Z), and hopefully most of the zergs will go down in that stage.
They got rid of that a long time ago. I remember the all-zerg group in ever 2008 osl.
I still don't understand this aversion that so many people have for ZvZ Bo3/5.
Surely you jest. It's one thing to like ZvZs, it's another to not see why so many people dislike them.
whoa, this is definitely the mediocre zerg OSL.... hope fantasy and Stork get together to make an all zerg group to get rid of some of these guys, knowing the OSL, hyvaa will be a seed next season
after the Ro16 most of the weaker zergs (modesty, soo, hyuk, shine, etc) should be weeded out and we will be left with a pretty good race distribution I think.
as long as JD, flash, fantasy, and stork make it out, this OSL can still be really good. I think the ideal Ro8 would include those 4 plus hydra, baby, calm, and jangbi. just too bad that stork/fantasy/calm/sorta baby are slumping pretty bad right now lol
We will have a JvF final. That's right. Jaedong vs Fantasy all day. Fantasy will bust out a new build involving Battlecruisers to yamato hatcheries. Ofc in games 3,4,5, jaedong will use 2 hatch muta to get early scourge, park them on top of fantasy's starports and watch oov cry again.
On July 03 2011 05:31 Release wrote: We will have a JvF final. That's right. Jaedong vs Fantasy all day. Fantasy will bust out a new build involving Battlecruisers to yamato hatcheries. Ofc in games 3,4,5, jaedong will use 2 hatch muta to get early scourge, park them on top of fantasy's starports and watch oov cry again.
On July 03 2011 05:31 Release wrote: We will have a JvF final. That's right. Jaedong vs Fantasy all day. Fantasy will bust out a new build involving Battlecruisers to yamato hatcheries. Ofc in games 3,4,5, jaedong will use 2 hatch muta to get early scourge, park them on top of fantasy's starports and watch oov cry again.
This.
I'm smiling now, thank you.^^
In other terms: zerg seems to overrun the OSL after it happenend only to the MSL in the recent past.
You can really never count Stork out. The only active players who has been in as many OSL finals as him are Jaedong and Flash. So I guess one of Flash vs Stork vs Jaedong is the most likely final. But since JangBi is so hot right now, he might be able to take out Flash's wrist and meet Stork in the finals.
Or knowing the OSL Jaedong will beat Flash in the Ro8 and JangBi will use his so hot right now powers to win over Jaedong.
On July 03 2011 02:54 Ideas wrote: after the Ro16 most of the weaker zergs (modesty, soo, hyuk, shine, etc) should be weeded out and we will be left with a pretty good race distribution I think.
as long as JD, flash, fantasy, and stork make it out, this OSL can still be really good. I think the ideal Ro8 would include those 4 plus hydra, baby, calm, and jangbi. just too bad that stork/fantasy/calm/sorta baby are slumping pretty bad right now lol
How dare you doubt the Hyuk!?
Anyways, it's impossible to tell what will happen without seeing the groups. All the terrans are semi-slumping right now, so how they perform will affect the amount of zerg survivors greatly. If this was last season it would have been a zerg slaughter.
we're only gonna have 1 group with 3 zergs and 1 terran, 3 groups with 2 zergs, 1 group with 2 terrans. Tosses obviously in different groups. In other words, each group is 2Z + 1T + 1 of (2P, 1T, 1Z), and hopefully most of the zergs will go down in that stage.
They got rid of that a long time ago. I remember the all-zerg group in ever 2008 osl.
I still don't understand this aversion that so many people have for ZvZ Bo3/5.
Dude, ZvZ is the WORST matchup because it never changes. There are only Mutas, Scourge, and Zerglings involved - EVER. I have not seen a ZvZ in the past year which got out of lair tech - most are just repeats of Muta v. Scourge battles - the only variation we see is when the pool goes down. PvP, while more chancy, is at least entertaining - players actually make different kind of units. TvT is amazingly intense, always gets to late game and tons of units. ZvZ? Boring.
Roro Zero Polaris rhapsody type-B Zero match point hoejja Zero empire of the sun Great Zero Triatholon Great soulkey grandline Great soulkey Circuit Breaker Jaedong Great Medusa zero great la mancha hydra great dante's peak are some that went beyond muta ling scourge
edit: and ggplay yellow on 815
I do agree with the overall point that TvT is in general a better MU to watch, but you might be selling ZvZ short a bit
On July 06 2011 06:13 hacklebeast wrote: Roro Zero Polaris rhapsody type-B Zero match point hoejja Zero empire of the sun Great Zero Triatholon Great soulkey grandline Great soulkey Circuit Breaker Jaedong Great Medusa zero great la mancha hydra great dante's peak are some that went beyond muta ling scourge
edit: and ggplay yellow on 815
I do agree with the overall point that TvT is in general a better MU to watch, but you might be selling ZvZ short a bit
lol. Only two protoss'? Haha and one of them was seeded, I bet Stork would have been eliminated if he had to go through prelims. I don't see any protoss winning an individual league soon.. :/
On July 06 2011 06:13 hacklebeast wrote: Roro Zero Polaris rhapsody type-B Zero match point hoejja Zero empire of the sun Great Zero Triatholon Great soulkey grandline Great soulkey Circuit Breaker Jaedong Great Medusa zero great la mancha hydra great dante's peak are some that went beyond muta ling scourge
edit: and ggplay yellow on 815
I do agree with the overall point that TvT is in general a better MU to watch, but you might be selling ZvZ short a bit
A) Wow, 10 games? How many ZvZ's' have been played during this time period? Did you know that providing counterexamples to a general assumption is a logical fallacy? I've seen >25 recent ZvZ, nothing but Mutaling/Scourge.
B) As far as Shark's articles, the fact that larvae are involved in production still doesn't make the game any better.
C) Nothing you've said shows that ZvZ is more interesting than any other matchup. Doesn't matter if it's good or not - the reason we don't want ZvZ is because any other single matchhup is more exciting. Especially in a Bo3 or Bo5. TvT gets into late game almost always, and while PvP tiruns into something of a coin flip rock-paper-scissors, at least it's not a rock-rock game 90% of the time.
D) One player, Great, is involved in 60% of the games you mentioned...he himself said that he wants to lead the trend out of "boring" ZvZ. Unfortunately, that doesn't really help the situation - only 4 times has any other player decided to break out of this trend. This and common sense dictates that there is no denying that ZvZ is 1) Boring and/or 2) The most boring. And all of this provides more than enough reason against any ZvZ BoX.
Your entitled to your opinion. But instead of looking at my post as an attack on what you think, look at it as an invitation to watch some really cool games that, by your own account, you haven't seen yet.
Ironically, in most of those great games he went hive in response to his opponent going hive first.
I wouldn't call ZvZ the hands-down most boring, though. It may be a bit subjective, but I find TvT the most boring regardless of--or perhaps because of--its usual progression into lategame...
On July 06 2011 08:35 Z3kk wrote: I wouldn't call ZvZ the hands-down most boring, though. It may be a bit subjective, but I find TvT the most boring regardless of--or perhaps because of--its usual progression into lategame...
I guess this can be somewhat valid, but in the lategame, everything is explosively quick - there is blazing action all over the map, and while the options from tank heavy, wraith heavy, bc fleet, or otherwise aren't nearly as entertaining as, say, ZvP or TvZ, there's still more variation than ZvZ.
On July 06 2011 08:30 hacklebeast wrote: Your entitled to your opinion. But instead of looking at my post as an attack on what you think, look at it as an invitation to watch some really cool games that, by your own account, you haven't seen yet.
Ironically, in most of those great games he went hive in response to his opponent going hive first.
You know what, you're right. I'm sorry, I overreacted a bit there.
On July 04 2011 01:47 Ryo wrote: Group Selection will be held on 8th July 7.30pm. Yesterday the players had their profile pictures taken for the new OSL intro.
Ro16 will be held from 13th July onwards.
Can we get this on the calendar? Don't wanna miss it.
Id really like a Jangbi vs Jaedong final. Jangbi is playing great these days and Jaedong, well, its Jaedong! The god of Zergs and my favorite player :D !
Sorry for my stupidity haven't payed to much attention to OSL's format in the past but there is another group play like in the ro24? Or will this select who faces who in a bo3?
We're entering ro16, which is 4 groups of 4 players, round robin style. 2 players from each group go to ro8. Tonight's ceremony is to create those 4 groups.
On July 08 2011 18:17 purpose wrote: wow only 2 protoss in the ro 16. And the sad part is that its not even that surprising anymore. Protoss always seem to suck so bad.
Go go Stork and Jangbi!
MSL is loaded with toss this time around. Here's hoping for a toss gold this season!
On July 08 2011 18:17 purpose wrote: wow only 2 protoss in the ro 16. And the sad part is that its not even that surprising anymore. Protoss always seem to suck so bad.
Go go Stork and Jangbi!
MSL is loaded with toss this time around. Here's hoping for a toss gold this season!
On July 08 2011 18:17 purpose wrote: wow only 2 protoss in the ro 16. And the sad part is that its not even that surprising anymore. Protoss always seem to suck so bad.
Go go Stork and Jangbi!
MSL is loaded with toss this time around. Here's hoping for a toss gold this season!
I hope Calm makes it. He's made the ro8/ro4 in both msl osl for so many seasons now. Also, i hope that there's no protoss, so Jaedong has a better chance, and that shine clears his group too.
Jaedong should beat hyvaa (duh), and the best thing would be for Hyuk to win against modesty so they don't have to go into a 3xZ tiebreaker. And so JD advances already.
Each will be 3-0 (unless Hyuk loses to Modesty) and each group could have epic tiebreakers if certain things happen. How awesome would it be to have 12 players fighting for 4 spots in tiebreakers. Effort vs Gogo vs Shine anybody?
I kind of want hyuk to lose the last game because JD will inevitably eliminate people I like if he stays in the tourney. Then again a fantasy-JD series could be damn good.
And three sets of tie breakers looks probable at this point, so much starcraft.
Edit: Wait,. if hyuk loses, than he is up vs fantasy. I don't want to see that team kill again. NVM about hyuk losing.
Each will be 3-0 (unless Hyuk loses to Modesty) and each group could have epic tiebreakers if certain things happen. How awesome would it be to have 12 players fighting for 4 spots in tiebreakers. Effort vs Gogo vs Shine anybody?
I wonder if anyone will lose the game and go "WHOOPS MY KEYBOARD WAS BROKEN THE WHOLE TIME let's regame" and then go on to win the OSL.
Possibility of 12 players for 4 spots in tiebreakers is insane. What would've been even crazier is (and it was a possibility before last night) if all 8 spots had been decided in tiebreakers.
So far I have some ugly predictions for players who already left a group:
-Flash- almoust none of the players who advanced so far have any chance against him in Bo5, with the possible exeption of Fantasy, and only with him playing his A+ form. In Bo3 he can be beaten by Zerg if unlucky enouth. -Fantasy- the best chances to eliminate him is to beat him in Bo3,as he is known as a real pain in the ass in Bo5. The best player to eliminate him in Bo5 (except of Flash) is Killer, with a style really effective against Fantasy's shacky TvZ. Also Hydra would have some chances, but if Fantasy not bring his TvZ retard mode, cyclop will also fall. -Hyuk- be beaten in the very first Bo5 unless playing against Zerg or Protoss. Seems inevitable to me that he will be beaten by any terran if any get to semi to combat him. -Soo- I will be surprised if he go far. But hey, its SKT Zerg. nobody knows when he will strike. -Modesty- he lost good form from last OSL, he will fail. -Killer- if he will dodge Flash, I can see him potentially taking gold, but better pray for Flash defeat in Bo3 or hope for Fantasy to play his best and somehow kill him in Bo5 (if there is possibility to such a semi). Against Fantasy, he can win. Against Hydra...it will be difficult. -Hydra- another candidate for gold. Must aware of both Flash as well as Fantasy. In Bo5 he can beat anyone except Flash.
Now players, that still may advance: -Jangbi- will fall. fantasy, Zergs, Flash...I see him being eliminate by any of these. -Baby- can beat anyone in Bo3. Can be beaten by anyone in Bo3. Against the swarm he have some chances in Bo5. Fantasy will probably beat him (if current trend will continue), Flash will almoust surelly beat him. Just dodge Flash. -Calm- this guy is a fucking enigma. I dont even dare to making predictions for him.
On July 30 2011 03:45 amazingoopah wrote: I've been looking around but haven't seen it... what's the playing order of the quarters? Is it group a vs b and c vs d or something else?
On July 30 2011 05:35 bearbuddy wrote: I hope protoss gets some imba maps next season, lol.
this. bisu is carrying protoss right now. As much as I wish it was not true, but bisu has issues in individuals so protoss is screwed. map makers should balance it out with making better sl maps (maps only used in osl and msl)
As you are all quite well versed in player analysis, I probably don't need to say this. However, I will say it because of how revolutionary it is:
If Flash wins this OSL, HE WILL BE THE FIRST PLAYER TO WIN 4 OSLs. I'm sorry, but it just seems to me that EVERYONE should be rooting for the emergence of a singular entity. That singular entity being hands down, the most accomplished and arguably the BEST player in these last 11 years of professional BW in Korea.
And yet still... you root for and talk about players who are, in comparison, nobodies.
Will you step beyond your petty loyalty to players less deserving and wholly inferior than He? Or will you cling to your own sense of novelty and faux individuality, rooting for a player who will never reach these heights, at which Lee Young Ho is arriving?
Even if you are not a fan of his, if you are a fan of BW, you will root for the advent that Flash is bringing to SC BW history.
He is making history. Take notice.
( I understand that this post is extremely opinionated and I am calling the community out. Sorry if I actually offended any of you with my insults. But for the most part I'm just having some fun pseudo-trolling and being dramatic. However, my excitement is genuine. I want to hear some cheers for Flash!)
On July 30 2011 11:58 Kyuukyuu wrote: Well if Killer wins he'll be the first Zerg who has lost to Boxer's nukes to ever win an individual title, what about that huh??
Please link to someone's stream channel - To see those games i hope they are recordered somewhere - Not want to wait 3 days or more until they be uploaded :/. Update: I think they are here ---> http://www.twitch.tv/notyuna/b/291347299 10x
If Flash wins this OSL, HE WILL BE THE FIRST PLAYER TO WIN 4 OSLs. I'm sorry, but it just seems to me that EVERYONE should be rooting for the emergence of a singular entity. That singular entity being hands down, the most accomplished and arguably the BEST player in these last 11 years of professional BW in Korea.
So? I will not abandon my "petty" loyality to players i like more than him. I wouldnt mind if Flash win this, but I really need Protoss win.
Killer is going to win the OSL, the only player who is a favourite against him is Flash and Flash is going to fall to Jangbi or a random zerg before the finals assuming Killer doesn't face him in the ro4.
If Flash wins this OSL, HE WILL BE THE FIRST PLAYER TO WIN 4 OSLs. I'm sorry, but it just seems to me that EVERYONE should be rooting for the emergence of a singular entity. That singular entity being hands down, the most accomplished and arguably the BEST player in these last 11 years of professional BW in Korea.
So? I will not abandon my "petty" loyality to players i like more than him. I wouldnt mind if Flash win this, but I really need Protoss win.
Mwahaha. How foolish. You have such limited sight. Listen to your self. XD
Oh I hope Flash wins. No one else deserves it. C'mon Flash, keep those wrists in good condition!
On July 31 2011 00:49 wherebugsgo wrote: Anyone have the brackets for the ro8?
Fantasy vs Hyuk
Hydra vs Modesty
n.Die_soO vs Killer
Jangbi vs Flash
god. osl needs to seed their ro8s better. i hate how this shit keeps happening. two ZvZs and a teamkill, just awful.
what's the ro8 schedule, anyone know?
Ro8 Day 1
Set 1 A조 Fantasy < Pathfinder > Hyuk Set 1 B조 Hydra < La Mancha > Modesty Set 1 C조 Soo < Gladiator > Killer Set 1 D조 Jangbi < New Bloody Ridge> Flash 12th August 7.30pm KST
Ro8 Day 2
Set 2 A조 Fantasy < Gladiator > Hyuk *If score is tied at 1-1, 3rd set < La Mancha >
Set 2 B조 Hydra < New Bloody Ridge > Modesty *If score is tied at 1-1, 3rd set < Pathfinder >
Set 2 C조 Soo < La Mancha > Killer *If score is tied at 1-1, 3rd set < New Bloody Ridge >
Set 2 D조 Jangbi < Pathfinder > Flash *If score is tied at 1-1, 3rd set < Gladiator >
If Flash wins this OSL, HE WILL BE THE FIRST PLAYER TO WIN 4 OSLs. I'm sorry, but it just seems to me that EVERYONE should be rooting for the emergence of a singular entity. That singular entity being hands down, the most accomplished and arguably the BEST player in these last 11 years of professional BW in Korea.
So? I will not abandon my "petty" loyality to players i like more than him. I wouldnt mind if Flash win this, but I really need Protoss win.
Mwahaha. How foolish. You have such limited sight. Listen to your self. XD
Oh I hope Flash wins. No one else deserves it. C'mon Flash, keep those wrists in good condition!
Blah blah blah...boring talk
Limited or not limited, I'm not gonna throw my loyality to any player just becouse of some random guy tell me to do it.
If Flash wins this OSL, HE WILL BE THE FIRST PLAYER TO WIN 4 OSLs. I'm sorry, but it just seems to me that EVERYONE should be rooting for the emergence of a singular entity. That singular entity being hands down, the most accomplished and arguably the BEST player in these last 11 years of professional BW in Korea.
So? I will not abandon my "petty" loyality to players i like more than him. I wouldnt mind if Flash win this, but I really need Protoss win.
Mwahaha. How foolish. You have such limited sight. Listen to your self. XD
Oh I hope Flash wins. No one else deserves it. C'mon Flash, keep those wrists in good condition!
Blah blah blah...boring talk
Limited or not limited, I'm not gonna throw my loyality to any player just becouse of some random guy tell me to do it.
Ehh, you have a point. I though my appeal to your sense of logos was enough to overcome the fact that I'm a nobody. Oh well.
Modesty should be placed at the top of Group D instead of Hyuk. OGN made the same error too on their tie-breaker program. Kinda odd unless I'm missing something.
On July 31 2011 09:12 Piege wrote: Modesty should be placed at the top of Group D instead of Hyuk. OGN made the same error too on their tie-breaker program. Kinda odd unless I'm missing something.
You are correct. Modesty defeated Hyuk, and in the case of two players advancing with 2-1, that decided who is on top and who can get matched up against who. So Modesty should be above Hyuk.
On July 31 2011 09:12 Piege wrote: Modesty should be placed at the top of Group D instead of Hyuk. OGN made the same error too on their tie-breaker program. Kinda odd unless I'm missing something.
You are correct. Modesty defeated Hyuk, and in the case of two players advancing with 2-1, that decided who is on top and who can get matched up against who. So Modesty should be above Hyuk.
just so u now, modesty DID ended up above hyuk, thats why hyuk was put against fanta(fist of group a) and modesty against hydra(second of group b)
Given that Modesty is ZvZ specialist I wouldn't be too surprised if he sneaks again into semifinals (and then gets demolished there unless it's another ZvZ).
I think Fantasy is riging them brackets . Everytime he gets to Bo3 or Bo5 stages he gets a teammate to play . Hyuk has been his insurance for some time now ...
This is not the greatest bracket for Flash...TvP has looked to be his vulnerability lately, and if he could have avoided Jangbi then he could have cut TvP from his practice schedule altogether, giving him more time to rest. I would have liked to see him draw Hyuk or Soo instead.
poor captain Hyuk, Jangbi may actually have a better chance to advance versus Flash than against zerg right now. That is, as long as he doesn't go carriers.
On July 31 2011 09:12 Piege wrote: Modesty should be placed at the top of Group D instead of Hyuk. OGN made the same error too on their tie-breaker program. Kinda odd unless I'm missing something.
You are correct. Modesty defeated Hyuk, and in the case of two players advancing with 2-1, that decided who is on top and who can get matched up against who. So Modesty should be above Hyuk.
just so u now, modesty DID ended up above hyuk, thats why hyuk was put against fanta(fist of group a) and modesty against hydra(second of group b)
What a shitty all zerg group. Too bad JD's ZvZ is not what it used to be (which is totally expected considering how well studied his ZvZ has been). The sad thing here is not so much that JD lost but that Hyuk and Modesty are nowhere near good enough to make any real impact in the Ro8.
On July 31 2011 00:49 wherebugsgo wrote: Anyone have the brackets for the ro8?
Fantasy vs Hyuk
Hydra vs Modesty
n.Die_soO vs Killer
Jangbi vs Flash
god. osl needs to seed their ro8s better. i hate how this shit keeps happening. two ZvZs and a teamkill, just awful.
what's the ro8 schedule, anyone know?
Ro8 Day 1
Set 1 A조 Fantasy < Pathfinder > Hyuk Set 1 B조 Hydra < La Mancha > Modesty Set 1 C조 Soo < Gladiator > Killer Set 1 D조 Jangbi < New Bloody Ridge> Flash 12th August 7.30pm KST
Ro8 Day 2
Set 2 A조 Fantasy < Gladiator > Hyuk *If score is tied at 1-1, 3rd set < La Mancha >
Set 2 B조 Hydra < New Bloody Ridge > Modesty *If score is tied at 1-1, 3rd set < Pathfinder >
Set 2 C조 Soo < La Mancha > Killer *If score is tied at 1-1, 3rd set < New Bloody Ridge >
Set 2 D조 Jangbi < Pathfinder > Flash *If score is tied at 1-1, 3rd set < Gladiator >
we're only gonna have 1 group with 3 zergs and 1 terran, 3 groups with 2 zergs, 1 group with 2 terrans. Tosses obviously in different groups. In other words, each group is 2Z + 1T + 1 of (2P, 1T, 1Z), and hopefully most of the zergs will go down in that stage.
They got rid of that a long time ago. I remember the all-zerg group in ever 2008 osl.
I still don't understand this aversion that so many people have for ZvZ Bo3/5.
Dude, ZvZ is the WORST matchup because it never changes. There are only Mutas, Scourge, and Zerglings involved - EVER. I have not seen a ZvZ in the past year which got out of lair tech - most are just repeats of Muta v. Scourge battles - the only variation we see is when the pool goes down. PvP, while more chancy, is at least entertaining - players actually make different kind of units. TvT is amazingly intense, always gets to late game and tons of units. ZvZ? Boring.
ZvZ isnt boring by itself. The only problem is the maps are too small for ZvZ to be interesting. Thats right, the maps are the problem. We need all the maps interpolated to be 50% bigger for ZvZ games, to make rushed weaker and ensure exciting Hive tech play. Will result in slow sleepy games worse than TvTs? Not a chance. Remember, zerg units are the fastest, so the extra map size is only necessary to cool the matchup down enough for both sides to be able to peacefully macro up before the hive tech showdown with an overjoy of green and red goo splatters, brown clouds, and chaotic mishmash of units melting into each other.
On August 04 2011 10:25 insanet wrote: Killer vs Fantasy finals! anyone?
would be great, but looking at the brackets it seems we are in for an epic flash vs fantasy finals the number 1 terran vs the number 2 terran, unless jangbi has other plans and decide to save the protoss race
we're only gonna have 1 group with 3 zergs and 1 terran, 3 groups with 2 zergs, 1 group with 2 terrans. Tosses obviously in different groups. In other words, each group is 2Z + 1T + 1 of (2P, 1T, 1Z), and hopefully most of the zergs will go down in that stage.
They got rid of that a long time ago. I remember the all-zerg group in ever 2008 osl.
I still don't understand this aversion that so many people have for ZvZ Bo3/5.
Dude, ZvZ is the WORST matchup because it never changes. There are only Mutas, Scourge, and Zerglings involved - EVER. I have not seen a ZvZ in the past year which got out of lair tech - most are just repeats of Muta v. Scourge battles - the only variation we see is when the pool goes down. PvP, while more chancy, is at least entertaining - players actually make different kind of units. TvT is amazingly intense, always gets to late game and tons of units. ZvZ? Boring.
ZvZ isnt boring by itself. The only problem is the maps are too small for ZvZ to be interesting. Thats right, the maps are the problem. We need all the maps interpolated to be 50% bigger for ZvZ games, to make rushed weaker and ensure exciting Hive tech play. Will result in slow sleepy games worse than TvTs? Not a chance. Remember, zerg units are the fastest, so the extra map size is only necessary to cool the matchup down enough for both sides to be able to peacefully macro up before the hive tech showdown with an overjoy of green and red goo splatters, brown clouds, and chaotic mishmash of units melting into each other.
So increase map size for only ZvZ games??? Lol. What makes ZvZ boring is the repition. Someone just needs to think out of the box. Like mass scourge to kill ovs while teching to lurkers. That would b sick if you could pull that off.
we're only gonna have 1 group with 3 zergs and 1 terran, 3 groups with 2 zergs, 1 group with 2 terrans. Tosses obviously in different groups. In other words, each group is 2Z + 1T + 1 of (2P, 1T, 1Z), and hopefully most of the zergs will go down in that stage.
They got rid of that a long time ago. I remember the all-zerg group in ever 2008 osl.
I still don't understand this aversion that so many people have for ZvZ Bo3/5.
Dude, ZvZ is the WORST matchup because it never changes. There are only Mutas, Scourge, and Zerglings involved - EVER. I have not seen a ZvZ in the past year which got out of lair tech - most are just repeats of Muta v. Scourge battles - the only variation we see is when the pool goes down. PvP, while more chancy, is at least entertaining - players actually make different kind of units. TvT is amazingly intense, always gets to late game and tons of units. ZvZ? Boring.
ZvZ isnt boring by itself. The only problem is the maps are too small for ZvZ to be interesting. Thats right, the maps are the problem. We need all the maps interpolated to be 50% bigger for ZvZ games, to make rushed weaker and ensure exciting Hive tech play. Will result in slow sleepy games worse than TvTs? Not a chance. Remember, zerg units are the fastest, so the extra map size is only necessary to cool the matchup down enough for both sides to be able to peacefully macro up before the hive tech showdown with an overjoy of green and red goo splatters, brown clouds, and chaotic mishmash of units melting into each other.
So increase map size for only ZvZ games??? Lol. What makes ZvZ boring is the repition. Someone just needs to think out of the box. Like mass scourge to kill ovs while teching to lurkers. That would b sick if you could pull that off.
Thing is zvz is a very volatile matchup one screw up can cause you a game so... some one who has guts got to start playing some new style in order to make zvz interesting ;D
On July 31 2011 00:49 wherebugsgo wrote: Anyone have the brackets for the ro8?
Fantasy vs Hyuk
Hydra vs Modesty
n.Die_soO vs Killer
Jangbi vs Flash
god. osl needs to seed their ro8s better. i hate how this shit keeps happening. two ZvZs and a teamkill, just awful.
what's the ro8 schedule, anyone know?
Ro8 Day 1
Set 1 A조 Fantasy < Pathfinder > Hyuk Set 1 B조 Hydra < La Mancha > Modesty Set 1 C조 Soo < Gladiator > Killer Set 1 D조 Jangbi < New Bloody Ridge> Flash 12th August 7.30pm KST
Ro8 Day 2
Set 2 A조 Fantasy < Gladiator > Hyuk *If score is tied at 1-1, 3rd set < La Mancha >
Set 2 B조 Hydra < New Bloody Ridge > Modesty *If score is tied at 1-1, 3rd set < Pathfinder >
Set 2 C조 Soo < La Mancha > Killer *If score is tied at 1-1, 3rd set < New Bloody Ridge >
Set 2 D조 Jangbi < Pathfinder > Flash *If score is tied at 1-1, 3rd set < Gladiator >
we're only gonna have 1 group with 3 zergs and 1 terran, 3 groups with 2 zergs, 1 group with 2 terrans. Tosses obviously in different groups. In other words, each group is 2Z + 1T + 1 of (2P, 1T, 1Z), and hopefully most of the zergs will go down in that stage.
They got rid of that a long time ago. I remember the all-zerg group in ever 2008 osl.
I still don't understand this aversion that so many people have for ZvZ Bo3/5.
Dude, ZvZ is the WORST matchup because it never changes. There are only Mutas, Scourge, and Zerglings involved - EVER. I have not seen a ZvZ in the past year which got out of lair tech - most are just repeats of Muta v. Scourge battles - the only variation we see is when the pool goes down. PvP, while more chancy, is at least entertaining - players actually make different kind of units. TvT is amazingly intense, always gets to late game and tons of units. ZvZ? Boring.
ZvZ isnt boring by itself. The only problem is the maps are too small for ZvZ to be interesting. Thats right, the maps are the problem. We need all the maps interpolated to be 50% bigger for ZvZ games, to make rushed weaker and ensure exciting Hive tech play. Will result in slow sleepy games worse than TvTs? Not a chance. Remember, zerg units are the fastest, so the extra map size is only necessary to cool the matchup down enough for both sides to be able to peacefully macro up before the hive tech showdown with an overjoy of green and red goo splatters, brown clouds, and chaotic mishmash of units melting into each other.
So increase map size for only ZvZ games??? Lol. What makes ZvZ boring is the repition. Someone just needs to think out of the box. Like mass scourge to kill ovs while teching to lurkers. That would b sick if you could pull that off.
Uhh yeah thats the point. Bigger map means rushes are less powerful and tech is more powerful so people will play for the econ game instead of early rushes every game.
On August 12 2011 14:48 hacklebeast wrote: Does the move affect the venue for the OSL finals? It would be a shame if they had to relocate as well (although the do have a lot more time).
No mention of the venue but it shouldn't be a problem given that the final is a month from now.
What do you thing guys about that, that they will play only 1 game today.. I mean imagine you are there - preparing very impothan match.. and .. is only 1 game.. rest far away in month..
God cant believed once again huyk huyked himself even in situation i sayed to my self now im relax cuz he cant do wrong..... Why man.. U got big advantage.. Why attack when all of ur quuens got EMP.. I mean yes u got twice or more bigger army but u just needed to cassualy drop/attack that expo up right man and Catch terran when he is not siege iwth mines and prepare... damn man,.
When is the date and time for the rest of the Ro8 games? I checked the TL calendar but I dont see it listed. I remember somewhere that it would be on the 26th? Can anyone list it?
EDIT: Thanks fold Submitted it for the TL calendar.
Hey~! Since when did I turned into a vulture? Yay!!!!
On August 24 2011 14:00 4vvhiplash7 wrote: Is it just me or have the R&S for broodwar tourneys on the right hand side bar been replaced by SC2?
It seems like you have to manually search for BW tourneys now, can't just click the link directly...
Carnac said
On August 17 2011 00:52 Carnac wrote: Also, I'm not 100% sure, but I think R&S threads are removed from below the TLPD bar automatically, once no further games have been played in a set amount of time. I'll bug PoP to see if it can be readded.
On August 17 2011 00:52 Carnac wrote: Also, I'm not 100% sure, but I think R&S threads are removed from below the TLPD bar automatically, once no further games have been played in a set amount of time. I'll bug PoP to see if it can be readded.
On August 24 2011 14:00 4vvhiplash7 wrote: Is it just me or have the R&S for broodwar tourneys on the right hand side bar been replaced by SC2?
It seems like you have to manually search for BW tourneys now, can't just click the link directly...
Carnac said
On August 17 2011 00:52 Carnac wrote: Also, I'm not 100% sure, but I think R&S threads are removed from below the TLPD bar automatically, once no further games have been played in a set amount of time. I'll bug PoP to see if it can be readded.
Thanks
Actually I might have misread what you said. You're right. I think it might be gone for good unless it's going to be under the liquipedia bar because as it stands now SC2 rankings are under TLPD (where the R&S threads use to be)
On August 24 2011 14:00 4vvhiplash7 wrote: Is it just me or have the R&S for broodwar tourneys on the right hand side bar been replaced by SC2?
It seems like you have to manually search for BW tourneys now, can't just click the link directly...
Carnac said
On August 17 2011 00:52 Carnac wrote: Also, I'm not 100% sure, but I think R&S threads are removed from below the TLPD bar automatically, once no further games have been played in a set amount of time. I'll bug PoP to see if it can be readded.
Thanks
Actually I might have misread what you said. You're right. I think it might be gone for good unless it's going to be under the liquipedia bar because as it stands now SC2 rankings are under TLPD (where the R&S threads use to be)
Well, if it is gone for good then that sucks what is happening to the wonderful world of bw?
On August 24 2011 14:00 4vvhiplash7 wrote: Is it just me or have the R&S for broodwar tourneys on the right hand side bar been replaced by SC2?
It seems like you have to manually search for BW tourneys now, can't just click the link directly...
Carnac said
On August 17 2011 00:52 Carnac wrote: Also, I'm not 100% sure, but I think R&S threads are removed from below the TLPD bar automatically, once no further games have been played in a set amount of time. I'll bug PoP to see if it can be readded.
Thanks
Actually I might have misread what you said. You're right. I think it might be gone for good unless it's going to be under the liquipedia bar because as it stands now SC2 rankings are under TLPD (where the R&S threads use to be)
Well, if it is gone for good then that sucks what is happening to the wonderful world of bw?
Yeah it'll definitely suck if it's gone, and I think it is. August is always a turbulent time for BW (let's just hope we survive till the next August at least) As for the TL changes I'm sure they had these changes in mind for a while and it might just be a coincidence that they made the change as all the bad news/rumors started popping out.
On August 24 2011 14:00 4vvhiplash7 wrote: Is it just me or have the R&S for broodwar tourneys on the right hand side bar been replaced by SC2?
It seems like you have to manually search for BW tourneys now, can't just click the link directly...
Carnac said
On August 17 2011 00:52 Carnac wrote: Also, I'm not 100% sure, but I think R&S threads are removed from below the TLPD bar automatically, once no further games have been played in a set amount of time. I'll bug PoP to see if it can be readded.
Thanks
Actually I might have misread what you said. You're right. I think it might be gone for good unless it's going to be under the liquipedia bar because as it stands now SC2 rankings are under TLPD (where the R&S threads use to be)
Well, if it is gone for good then that sucks what is happening to the wonderful world of bw?
Yeah it'll definitely suck if it's gone, and I think it is. August is always a turbulent time for BW (let's just hope we survive till the next August at least) As for the TL changes I'm sure they had these changes in mind for a while and it might just be a coincidence that they made the change as all the bad news/rumors started popping out.
On August 24 2011 14:00 4vvhiplash7 wrote: Is it just me or have the R&S for broodwar tourneys on the right hand side bar been replaced by SC2?
It seems like you have to manually search for BW tourneys now, can't just click the link directly...
Carnac said
On August 17 2011 00:52 Carnac wrote: Also, I'm not 100% sure, but I think R&S threads are removed from below the TLPD bar automatically, once no further games have been played in a set amount of time. I'll bug PoP to see if it can be readded.
Thanks
Actually I might have misread what you said. You're right. I think it might be gone for good unless it's going to be under the liquipedia bar because as it stands now SC2 rankings are under TLPD (where the R&S threads use to be)
Well, if it is gone for good then that sucks what is happening to the wonderful world of bw?
Yeah it'll definitely suck if it's gone, and I think it is. August is always a turbulent time for BW (let's just hope we survive till the next August at least) As for the TL changes I'm sure they had these changes in mind for a while and it might just be a coincidence that they made the change as all the bad news/rumors started popping out.
I can't believe Flash lost like that- first game passive as hell, no harass no nothing, 2nd game stubborn as hell, didn't backed and didn't build more marines and maybe a bunker in the 3rd to help him fend of the timing attack. He scanned 2-3 times(i head it) and after delaying Jangbi's third he saw he just started it. Should have guess its 2 base aggression. Still jangbi played like a boss and had a very good preparation for the series.
So if the Kong line has 3 golds amongst them, but all their golds were won against other Kong line members, are they still part or not part of the Kong line?
Hyuk's biggest mistake was cutting his hair just before his game against Modesty in the Ro16. Had he not cut his hair, he might have beaten Modesty, 3-0ed the group and then he wouldn't have had to face Fantasy.
Thanks to Ryo for the details! I feel like Soo's actually got a pretty good shot at making the finals considering he's pretty good at ZvP and Jangbi's not so great at that matchup. Unfortunately I also feel like Soo would be pretty boned against either Hydra or Fantasy.
Hydra's my favourite player so I hope he pulls it out but I think Jangbi vs Fantasy would be the most entertaining finals.
So, anyone in Korea gonna watch this ? I'd like to show up, currently trying to find some information. If you are in Korea and are planning to attend, feel free to PM me. Thanks.
Even before Jangbi beat Flash, I thought his chances of actually winning the OSL were pretty slim. But I'm really hoping he pulls it off. I don't think I've seen anyone with his determination and motivation lately. Plus I don't think I've ever seen so many different people (read fanboys) rooting for 1 player.
And to be completely honest, I don't think Hydra or Fantasy deserve a second gold. While Jangbi's gold is definitely overdue.
<3 Jangbi. Still waiting on that Jangbi appreciation video.
I hope Jangbi pulls a decent victory against Soo - even though he seemed kinda apathetic last month against Z in PL and OSL, those were really good players (games here). Jangbi-Fantasy would be epic as hell. If Jangbi plays like he did against Flash and Fantasy being Fantasy against P, it's gonna be a friggin' party
with flash gone i dont see how fanta can lose this, only by hyuking himself, as long as he prepares as he usually does he will win this, even if its jangbi, actually tvp is fanta best matchup
The Jinair OSL Grand Final is confirmed for 17th September, after the Chuseok holidays. The Fomos article below did not mention a specific time but the Fomos calendar has it at 6pm KST.
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