[Q] Why Stasis instead of Dweb PvT? - Page 3

On January 07 2009 02:26 iamtt1 wrote:
wtf does dweb have to do with apm? u just have to press 1 key on your keyboard, d and t + targeting tanks shouldnt be that hard.. dont make things so scientific and complex for no reason just to make your posts look better

all you have to do is practice webbing so you get used to it, it has nothing to do with apm

On January 07 2009 03:11 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
this is so.. stupid ?

It's so obvious why sairs are no viable option in PvT.
Arbs are better on so so many occasions..
Additionally: 1 arbs can already be good. 2 or 3 arbs are a fucking huge deal and can stasis like half of a big big terran army. 3 corsairs - do nothing, really..

I mean sometimes it makes me wonder: This topic has got be posted out of pure boredom.

It's just 2 obvious why and that arbiter/s >>>>> cors in PvT

On January 07 2009 04:34 dyos wrote:
A. Any number of corsairs during mid-game will cost too much resources and a timing push will cost you the game. At 150/100 resource cost, it is more expensive than a dragoon.
a well placed disruption web far exceeds the power of one dragoon, but its only more cost effective if the disruption webs land in a good place thus needing to be in the hands of an experienced player.

C. D-Web has a smaller area of effect.
I actually believe the amount of area you can cover with corsairs versus arbiters is actually more unless your stasises land perfectly as you'll have far more corsairs than you will ever have arbiters.

On January 07 2009 04:57 Puosu wrote:
Something to add to the statements by dyos.

The rest I more or less agree with, it seems like Corsairs have no room in the "perfect" PvT.

On January 07 2009 03:17 Geo.Rion wrote:



yeah, you're so right 3 arbiters are so much better than 3 corsairs!! And 3 battlecrusiers are so much better than 3 wraiths, Terrans should quit doing stupid wraith rushes against Z and T, cuz x BCs are much better than x wraiths.

On January 06 2009 11:22 Jonoman92 wrote:
Most of us have seen the rare PvT where a few dwebs are able to disable a ton of tanks and completely turn the outcome of a battle and the game. Why is it that stasis is the norm and dweb is the rarity?

Negatives of Dweb:
-AoE (area of effect) is slightly smaller? (Although they are pretty close, not sure on this)
-It doesn't last as long
-Spell range is shorter? (Not sure on this either)
-Costs 125 energy instead of 100
-Corsairs cannot cast recall or cloak your units

Positives of Dweb:
-Corsairs are faster and cheaper than arbiters.
-Corsairs build very quickly and once the ability is researched it is easy to have a few with enough energy to cast some dwebs
-While tanks are covered not only can they not attack but they are still vulnerable as well.
-2 corsairs cost much less gas than one arbiter (albeit more minerals) so gas can be spent on additional templars/upgrades
-Easy transition to carriers if desirable.

I'm considering trying to use dweb more often in my PvTs and seeing how it goes.

On January 07 2009 03:38 d_so wrote:
the "APM" arguments are so retarded: just because it's different doesn't mean it requires more APM. in fact, i imagine the same arguments used against queens are being used here:

1.) "they use up precious APM"
2.) " HOW CAN YOU FIT THEM INTO A BUILD ORDER"
3.) "defilers/arbiters are BETTER"

fact is that most of these arguments are based around one underlying premise: the dislike of anything new or nontraditional. but if we discard this type of irrational thinking, the following would become clear:

1.) DWebb>>>>>> Stasis. The reason being is it forces terran tanks to unsiege and move. TvP is all about positioning: if T is able to set their tanks/mines/turrets before P attacks, T wins. If P is able to catch them out of position, P wins. Dwebb forces T to be out of position while being attacked. Stasis, on the other hand, merely weakens the unit count of Terran temporarily, but barring a series of perfect stasis traps, doesn't force T to reposition.

2.) Cloaking sucks. By the time arbiters are out, T will have at least 2 scans and up to 4, not to mention science vessels and mines.

3.) Recalls are good, but sometimes counterproductive. Really, the ability to recall successfully reflects upon the game-sense of the player. In the hands of a dumb P, recall will not divert the Terran push and will only weaken the P's ability to defend. Because P lacks AoE units to buildings, they will do minimal infrastructure damage and will eventually be defended by scvs + produced units.

1.) DWebb>>>>>> Stasis. The reason being is it forces terran tanks to unsiege and move. TvP is all about positioning: if T is able to set their tanks/mines/turrets before P attacks, T wins. If P is able to catch them out of position, P wins. Dwebb forces T to be out of position while being attacked. Stasis, on the other hand, merely weakens the unit count of Terran temporarily, but barring a series of perfect stasis traps, doesn't force T to reposition.

2.) Cloaking sucks. By the time arbiters are out, T will have at least 2 scans and up to 4, not to mention science vessels and mines.

3.) Recalls are good, but sometimes counterproductive. Really, the ability to recall successfully reflects upon the game-sense of the player. In the hands of a dumb P, recall will not divert the Terran push and will only weaken the P's ability to defend. Because P lacks AoE units to buildings, they will do minimal infrastructure damage and will eventually be defended by scvs + produced units.