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alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
December 23 2008 13:19 GMT
#41
WTF SUPERJongman suddenly did something so useful? i always thought u just post ..semi useful korean info. and your own random stuff

THANKS!! even though im not toss user this is all very intersting :D:D
Graphicssavior[gm] : What is a “yawn” rape ;; Masumune - It was the year of the pig for those fucking defilers. Chill - A clinic you say? okum: SC without Korean yelling is like porn without sex. konamix: HAPPY BIRTHDAY MOMMY!
Bekele
Profile Joined November 2008
Canada47 Posts
December 23 2008 13:42 GMT
#42
Thanks a lot for this man. Can you translate some other P guides tho? Babelfish sucks.
BoOm BOoM
TonyL2
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
England1953 Posts
December 23 2008 14:15 GMT
#43
Thanks SuperJongMan! Good in-depth guide

For Aiur!
Repertoire
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada92 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-23 14:41:18
December 23 2008 14:27 GMT
#44
Thanks for the translation.
GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
December 23 2008 15:06 GMT
#45
is FAKE JUKE TIKI BARBER THAT SHIT a common korean phrase?

=P amazing guide!
What fun is it being cool if you can’t wear a sombrero?
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
December 23 2008 16:03 GMT
#46
SJM + strat forum contribution = ??????????????

DOES NOT COMPUUUUUUUUTE
imperfect
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada1652 Posts
December 23 2008 16:07 GMT
#47
This is the build of that "perfect build" right?

Seems very solid thanks!
blind bisu free and anytime fanboy.
Equaoh
Profile Joined October 2008
Canada427 Posts
December 23 2008 16:34 GMT
#48
wow excellent guide
GearitUP
Profile Joined November 2008
United States337 Posts
December 23 2008 16:49 GMT
#49
SuperJongMan.... BLESS YOU! I have tremendous trouble with PvZ and this is exactly what the doctor ordered...xD
Own<Owned<Ownt<Pwn<Pwned<PwnT< YOU NEWB!
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
December 23 2008 17:01 GMT
#50
I've been reading up some of the guides in there, and some of them are actually kinda bad, hahahaha.
sl
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada239 Posts
December 23 2008 17:24 GMT
#51
Can someone explain why 18nexus? Isn't that a bit late?
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
December 23 2008 17:54 GMT
#52
On December 23 2008 13:32 PH wrote:
Awesome. iccup will be hell for a while now. T_T.


You mean for forever? Why would they stop the perfect and winning playing style?
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
Cloud
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sexico5880 Posts
December 23 2008 17:58 GMT
#53
On December 24 2008 02:24 sl wrote:
Can someone explain why 18nexus? Isn't that a bit late?


For safety, im sure big 4 player maps allow for 14 nexus.
BlueLaguna on West, msg for game.
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
December 23 2008 18:15 GMT
#54
On December 24 2008 02:54 Zoler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2008 13:32 PH wrote:
Awesome. iccup will be hell for a while now. T_T.


You mean for forever? Why would they stop the perfect and winning playing style?

Because in time zergs will figure out something that will counter this build.
EscPlan9
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2777 Posts
December 23 2008 18:57 GMT
#55
On December 24 2008 03:15 koreasilver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2008 02:54 Zoler wrote:
On December 23 2008 13:32 PH wrote:
Awesome. iccup will be hell for a while now. T_T.


You mean for forever? Why would they stop the perfect and winning playing style?

Because in time zergs will figure out something that will counter this build.


4pool ftw
Undefeated TL Tecmo Super Bowl League Champion
SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
December 23 2008 19:18 GMT
#56
lol, O yeah??
They actually have a guide to how progamers block 5 pool and tips etc.
Based off of quite a few players, most recently, eStro's Sangho's 5pool defence.
POWER OVERWHELMING ! ! ! KRUU~ KRUU~
SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
December 23 2008 19:20 GMT
#57
On December 23 2008 22:42 Bekele wrote:
Thanks a lot for this man. Can you translate some other P guides tho? Babelfish sucks.


This covers pretty much half of PvZ -_-;;
Doing Sair/Reaver or Sair/DT from the info here is not difficult.
Minor timing/build adjustments but all the important defenses are there.
POWER OVERWHELMING ! ! ! KRUU~ KRUU~
Hyperionnn
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Turkey4968 Posts
December 23 2008 19:24 GMT
#58
On December 24 2008 04:18 SuperJongMan wrote:
lol, O yeah??
They actually have a guide to how progamers block 5 pool and tips etc.
Based off of quite a few players, most recently, eStro's Sangho's 5pool defence.


I dont get a tip besides pulling all of your probes and holding them in a line in front of your cannons, or if you think they will be late, abandon your natural and cannon in your main.

Are there still tips to stop 5 pool
SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
December 23 2008 19:29 GMT
#59
On December 24 2008 04:24 Hyperionnn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2008 04:18 SuperJongMan wrote:
lol, O yeah??
They actually have a guide to how progamers block 5 pool and tips etc.
Based off of quite a few players, most recently, eStro's Sangho's 5pool defence.


I dont get a tip besides pulling all of your probes and holding them in a line in front of your cannons, or if you think they will be late, abandon your natural and cannon in your main.

Are there still tips to stop 5 pool


It's like building placement tips, probe movements, and how to play in case you do have to cancel nexus.
POWER OVERWHELMING ! ! ! KRUU~ KRUU~
Chameleon
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States604 Posts
December 24 2008 19:25 GMT
#60
Someone should put this in the "Recommended Threads" sticky for PvZ

imo
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