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Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
December 23 2008 05:43 GMT
#21
THANK YOU
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
Cloud
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sexico5880 Posts
December 23 2008 05:55 GMT
#22
Whoa, its like all those 9000 past posts of yours into a single one! Awesome soyu.
BlueLaguna on West, msg for game.
Wala.Revolution
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
7584 Posts
December 23 2008 06:03 GMT
#23
SuperJongMan, or any other Korean speakers for that matter.

I read the entire topic, and there were very important discussions in the replies; I really am not in the mood for translating right now, but some of the replies are great comments.

Only thing I would point out is that on python, in ZvP, the Z might send ov to the closest main by land for a 9pool build without a scout; to go 12-4 nex because you scout the closer main and checked for ov arrival can net you a loss.
Stuck.
zeppelin
Profile Joined December 2007
United States565 Posts
December 23 2008 06:03 GMT
#24
This is such great stuff, this is exactly what Artosis was talking about when he said Koreans approach strategy different from foreigners. I really feel like a few of these build guides for each matchup would be a really incredible boost to mid-level play in the foreigner community. Here's hoping for more awesome translation work!
Wala.Revolution
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
7584 Posts
December 23 2008 06:08 GMT
#25
There was also a discussion about whether to go gas before or after gate; this depends on the situation, as gate is a very important in simcities. Also, the discussion about scouting with 2 probes, and going 2 gate after canceling forge is very informative.

Btw if you guys didn't know, 4 gate speed zeal skipping stargate will rip a 4hatch before pool build.
Stuck.
Nick_54
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States2230 Posts
December 23 2008 06:10 GMT
#26
This guide is great. Thank you very much.
SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
December 23 2008 06:13 GMT
#27
That thread is massive. I refuse! ...for now.
But I recommend this next for people who want to...????

[TvP] The Art of FD ver.2
http://www.pgr21.com/zboard4/zboard.php?id=daku&page=1&sn1=&divpage=1&sn=off&ss=on&sc=on&select_arrange=headnum&desc=asc&no=1665

POWER OVERWHELMING ! ! ! KRUU~ KRUU~
LightRailCoyote
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States982 Posts
December 23 2008 06:18 GMT
#28
god damn you. You are an awful awful man. I'd find you and kill you but i play pvz as well as zvp so i also love you.
AKA SurfSolar ----- This is the product of a DIY inadequate home
drone
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
70 Posts
December 23 2008 06:43 GMT
#29
someone please do a zerg guide
마재윤
ilovejonn
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Canada2548 Posts
December 23 2008 06:46 GMT
#30
On December 23 2008 15:13 SuperJongMan wrote:
That thread is massive. I refuse! ...for now.
But I recommend this next for people who want to...????

[TvP] The Art of FD ver.2
http://www.pgr21.com/zboard4/zboard.php?id=daku&page=1&sn1=&divpage=1&sn=off&ss=on&sc=on&select_arrange=headnum&desc=asc&no=1665


someone do eetttttt pleaseeee
Snowflakes in January, Heart warm like February, I wouldn't ordinarily..
intrigue
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Washington, D.C9935 Posts
December 23 2008 07:39 GMT
#31
very nice soyu
i am so proud
Moderatorsloppy little slug
SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
December 23 2008 07:44 GMT
#32
I know right?
I translated the fuckn bible!
POWER OVERWHELMING ! ! ! KRUU~ KRUU~
Stimpacked
Profile Joined June 2008
Philippines368 Posts
December 23 2008 08:19 GMT
#33
timing is great but everything else is expected. And whats the difference between +1 zeal/archon attack against this?
live and let live...
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
December 23 2008 08:31 GMT
#34
On December 23 2008 15:46 ilovejonn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2008 15:13 SuperJongMan wrote:
That thread is massive. I refuse! ...for now.
But I recommend this next for people who want to...????

[TvP] The Art of FD ver.2
http://www.pgr21.com/zboard4/zboard.php?id=daku&page=1&sn1=&divpage=1&sn=off&ss=on&sc=on&select_arrange=headnum&desc=asc&no=1665


someone do eetttttt pleaseeee

ok
"make a fighting force that is large enough to delay your expo but too small to do any serious damage to the protoss, and also leaves you impotent vs tech and shuttle builds. continue as normal from there, if you somehow manage to not die"
DONT USE FD
http://www.splitreason.com/product/1152 release the gracken tshirt now available
Hyperionnn
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Turkey4968 Posts
December 23 2008 08:31 GMT
#35
Wow super guide, thanks man!
SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-23 08:33:11
December 23 2008 08:32 GMT
#36
Shhhh... - -;; the TvP guide was gonna be FD =(
And the ZvP guide was gonna be the hydralisk guide =(.
You ruined my conspiracy to imbafy P.

I think I will do the ZvP Muta Hydra Guide next. It's a serious one -_-;
POWER OVERWHELMING ! ! ! KRUU~ KRUU~
Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
December 23 2008 08:48 GMT
#37
Thx so much ^.^
La parole nous a été donnée pour déguiser notre pensée
Tropics
Profile Joined August 2007
United Kingdom1132 Posts
December 23 2008 11:37 GMT
#38
gee zvp was hard enough already

the zvp one better be up next to balance the field!

awesome stuff though
stet_tcl
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Greece319 Posts
December 23 2008 12:59 GMT
#39
Awesome thread man!! thxthxthx
On December 23 2008 12:43 SuperJongMan wrote:
The Hungry Build
+ Show Spoiler +

Hungry Build - 7.5 Pylon, 10 forge, 13 Photonx2 - 15 Nexus+Gate, 16 Pylon, 17 Gas - Core.
Regular Build -7.5 Pylon, 10 forge, 13 Photonx2 - 15 Pylon - 18 Nexus/Gate - 19 Gas - Core.

Corsair Timing -
Hungry 4:20
Regular 4:55

Minerals mined by 5 minutes

Hungry - 1862 (31 Probes+312)
Regular - 2118 (32 Probes+518)

- Tech is 35 seconds faster, but about 250 minerals poorer.
- Due to the faster Nexus, there is not a big difference in probe count.
So really, it comes down to - Do you want to add more gateways or have a faster sair.
- So if the Zerg goes 9 pool speed up, a faster tech hungry build seems beneficial.


I wanted to know these details for soo long!
Racenilatr
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States2756 Posts
December 23 2008 13:04 GMT
#40
wtf.....awsomeness
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