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On November 05 2008 14:44 BlasiuS wrote:Found this game today: http://www.replayhome.com:8080/sc/replay-87604.htmlUnfortunately this Terran goes mech instead of m&m, so we don't get to see ensnare/hydra/ling go up against the ball, but hey, they're right there before your very eyes: QUEENS.This terran is no chump either, I'd say at least C level EDIT: wow this is exactly how to play ZvT against mech with queens: 1) fast hydras + fast upgrades (move/speed/attack/carapace) 2) expo all over the map (5 bases by the 11-minute mark) 3) fast queens (fast enough so that the queens have 150 energy to broodling the tanks by the time terran comes with first push) 4) queens broodling tanks, hydras clean up the gols 5) super fast hive for quick defiler teching (although he didn't even really need them LOL)
im really sorry blasius, i downloaded and watched the rep and yes the zerg is building ONE (noticed the singular?) queen and didnt even use it at all except for late game expansion scouting, SO:
a) he just misclicked/mishotkeyed when building the singular queen
b) he just wanted to show off that he can win a game while actually building a queen
c) [and that would be UBERcool] he wanted his opponent to be confronted with the option of broodlings/ensnare and thereby forcing him to create additional goliaths which where raped by the mass hydras
BUT TO POINT OUT AGAIN: he didnt research any of the queens abilities, did NEVER use parasite and produced only ONE queen, so better watch the games you tell of more carefully before posting.
please dont consider this a flame post, only an encouragement to be more precise.
hf
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If you go from muta harass -> hydraling queen, why not go muta harass into muta/ling queen. Wouldn't it give you the same sort of early map control? Once you get mutas, it forces terran back into his base and by the time he comes out again, you should be able to get 2-3 queens with enough for ensnare.
It also allows for early hive play, which with map control, you should have 4 gasses anyway? just some more theorycrafting.
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On November 18 2008 04:02 cyronc wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2008 14:44 BlasiuS wrote:Found this game today: http://www.replayhome.com:8080/sc/replay-87604.htmlUnfortunately this Terran goes mech instead of m&m, so we don't get to see ensnare/hydra/ling go up against the ball, but hey, they're right there before your very eyes: QUEENS.This terran is no chump either, I'd say at least C level EDIT: wow this is exactly how to play ZvT against mech with queens: 1) fast hydras + fast upgrades (move/speed/attack/carapace) 2) expo all over the map (5 bases by the 11-minute mark) 3) fast queens (fast enough so that the queens have 150 energy to broodling the tanks by the time terran comes with first push) 4) queens broodling tanks, hydras clean up the gols 5) super fast hive for quick defiler teching (although he didn't even really need them LOL) im really sorry blasius, i downloaded and watched the rep and yes the zerg is building ONE (noticed the singular?) queen and didnt even use it at all except for late game expansion scouting, SO: a) he just misclicked/mishotkeyed when building the singular queen b) he just wanted to show off that he can win a game while actually building a queen c) [and that would be UBERcool] he wanted his opponent to be confronted with the option of broodlings/ensnare and thereby forcing him to create additional goliaths which where raped by the mass hydras BUT TO POINT OUT AGAIN: he didnt research any of the queens abilities, did NEVER use parasite and produced only ONE queen, so better watch the games you tell of more carefully before posting. please dont consider this a flame post, only an encouragement to be more precise. hf
This is a blatant lie. Did you even watch the replay? He built at least 4 or 5 queens, and broodling'd all of the tanks during the first push.
"he didnt research any of the queens abilities" wtf this is another blatant lie as I already said he used broodling multiple times.
Don't spout garbage out of your mouth unless you actually know what you're talking about. You are an idiot, and you suck at watching replays. Watch the replay again, and this time PAY ATTENTION.
And for F13: I uploaded the rep to Fighterreplays:
http://www.fighterreplays.com/starcraft/replays/5f3546
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On November 18 2008 05:00 Shado. wrote:
If you go from muta harass -> hydraling queen, why not go muta harass into muta/ling queen. Wouldn't it give you the same sort of early map control? Once you get mutas, it forces terran back into his base and by the time he comes out again, you should be able to get 2-3 queens with enough for ensnare.
It also allows for early hive play, which with map control, you should have 4 gasses anyway? just some more theorycrafting.
One problem- Muta get raped by irrad
No two ways about it. Also if your going for a muta opening, you are playing 3 hatch standard. You just wont have enough hatcheries or economy to produce mass ling and mass muta (expensive at 100/100) Also no you wouldn't have early game map control because as well all know, pure ling vs M&M with bats doesn't end to well. Also considering the fact that you want to try and save money for economy, and also considering that you are trying to save for muta- i just don't see how this can work economically.
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ok well i have another replay, I do get dropped- i add a spire however i do so a bit late. The terran is D+ C- and i think that he plays fairly well. I get a huge advantage early game, and i probably could have finished him much earlier. My queen use was again lacking- some of them had gotten killed in a careless mistake by me. Consequently enough i had all of the queen upgrades but didn't build anymore. LOL
Anyway this is an interesting game IMO because the terran is frantically trying to run around and shut down my expos. So he is falling right into this type of play. He breaks his ball up multiple times, and my more mobile army can run around and crush him easily.
http://www.mediafire.com/?dmh2qzuozzz
Reviews and critique always welcome!
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EDIT AND DISCLAIMER: CONSIDER ALL I SAID CRAP CUZ I JUST REALIZED I MESSED UP TWO DIFFERENT DOWNLOADS, TOTALLY MY FAULT, I HEREBY WANT TO EXPRESS MY DEEPEST APOLOGIES FOR THE MISUNDERSTANDINGS AND THE CAPSLOCK 
just for consistancy i let the rest be unedited, sorry again...
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On November 18 2008 06:27 BlasiuS wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2008 04:02 cyronc wrote:On November 05 2008 14:44 BlasiuS wrote:Found this game today: http://www.replayhome.com:8080/sc/replay-87604.htmlUnfortunately this Terran goes mech instead of m&m, so we don't get to see ensnare/hydra/ling go up against the ball, but hey, they're right there before your very eyes: QUEENS.This terran is no chump either, I'd say at least C level EDIT: wow this is exactly how to play ZvT against mech with queens: 1) fast hydras + fast upgrades (move/speed/attack/carapace) 2) expo all over the map (5 bases by the 11-minute mark) 3) fast queens (fast enough so that the queens have 150 energy to broodling the tanks by the time terran comes with first push) 4) queens broodling tanks, hydras clean up the gols 5) super fast hive for quick defiler teching (although he didn't even really need them LOL) im really sorry blasius, i downloaded and watched the rep and yes the zerg is building ONE (noticed the singular?) queen and didnt even use it at all except for late game expansion scouting, SO: a) he just misclicked/mishotkeyed when building the singular queen b) he just wanted to show off that he can win a game while actually building a queen c) [and that would be UBERcool] he wanted his opponent to be confronted with the option of broodlings/ensnare and thereby forcing him to create additional goliaths which where raped by the mass hydras BUT TO POINT OUT AGAIN: he didnt research any of the queens abilities, did NEVER use parasite and produced only ONE queen, so better watch the games you tell of more carefully before posting. please dont consider this a flame post, only an encouragement to be more precise. hf This is a blatant lie. Did you even watch the replay? He built at least 4 or 5 queens, and broodling'd all of the tanks during the first push. "he didnt research any of the queens abilities" wtf this is another blatant lie as I already said he used broodling multiple times. Don't spout garbage out of your mouth unless you actually know what you're talking about. You are an idiot, and you suck at watching replays. Watch the replay again, and this time PAY ATTENTION. And for F13: I uploaded the rep to Fighterreplays: http://www.fighterreplays.com/starcraft/replays/5f3546
so you are not talking about 1568268If_ClassicEver)Z(Fai.rep suddenly? cuz thats the replay your first link pointed to and it is EXACTLY as i described....
again please dont consider this a flame post, and clarify when accusing me of lying because that was the replay you linked to first afaik...
if i messed up anything i am really sorry but that replay is mech-build (check) on bluestorm with mass hydra(check) late almost unnecessary defiler usage(check) but only one unused queen (no check)....
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A thought- if you have enough queens, could you ensnare his workers to slow down mining as a form of harass? It clearly wouldn't be as effective as mutas or a lurker drop, but it might make a difference, especially if he has any unsaturated bases.
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Tooplark, I don't think this would be an efficient use of mana. With some rough math... An ensnared worker makes around 2.5 trips to a mineral patch instead of 3. So let's say each ensnared worker losses your opponent 4 minerals. If you hit around 10 workers, you are only setting your opponent back around 40 minerals.
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On November 25 2008 05:20 oki wrote:
Tooplark, I don't think this would be an efficient use of mana. With some rough math... An ensnared worker makes around 2.5 trips to a mineral patch instead of 3. So let's say each ensnared worker losses your opponent 4 minerals. If you hit around 10 workers, you are only setting your opponent back around 40 minerals.
Agreed, just not worth it
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Yeah i liked it but he did the worst flank ever... a normal flank would have given him the game but his micro/macro sucked pretty much...
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thedeadhaji
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Hyvaa vs Flash on andromeda proleague
Ensnare + lurker ling.
+ Show Spoiler +oh man I wanted hyvaa to beat Flash soooo bad.
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On December 03 2008 08:56 thedeadhaji wrote:Hyvaa vs Flash on andromeda proleague Ensnare + lurker ling. + Show Spoiler +oh man I wanted hyvaa to beat Flash soooo bad.
wo- when did this happen? Do you have a link or something?
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last night- it's not on tlpd, but it should be uploaded to nevake/on vods
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On December 03 2008 08:56 thedeadhaji wrote:Hyvaa vs Flash on andromeda proleague Ensnare + lurker ling. + Show Spoiler +oh man I wanted hyvaa to beat Flash soooo bad.
Thank you very much!
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i don't know...i think in the hands of someone with better mechanics it would stand a chance. i would have like to see jaedong with this build...
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+ Show Spoiler [flash hyva ensnaregame] +bad (and probably late) defiler control and bad scourge control cost him the game imo
really hoped he was gonna win that just so zergs would think about using queens more often
I still kinda hope they will, the strategy itself was pretty solid
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thedeadhaji
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On December 03 2008 12:56 Frits wrote:+ Show Spoiler [flash hyva ensnaregame] +bad (and probably late) defiler control and bad scourge control cost him the game imo
really hoped he was gonna win that just so zergs would think about using queens more often
I still kinda hope they will, the strategy itself was pretty solid
+ Show Spoiler +agree, i think he set himself up excellently when flash's army came. However, that attack was really really ugly and I think he could have done even more dmg than he did with it.
And yea his hive use was... -_-
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