I must disagree with the Dark Archons dying fast. This is only if u use MC - e.g. u can never Control sieged tanks because after u control one u will be shot by another.
But otherwise in PvZ for example the effect is opposite - the are huge and block many units, and BW AI ignores spellcasters/workers if other units are present an does not attack them.

MCing other units would became more useful if all upgrades stayed. I mean the 5-3 Ultra would be quite an enhancement fighting 3-3 lings. But the engine does not support like lone upgrades - that would mean you would steal all upgrades with MC which would be too much.

Madhouse

United States97 Posts

August 06 2005 19:48 GMT

#62

pvp island maps, i think it was Daaman who did this vs WhiZ on Dire Straits. Daaman mindcontrolled WhiZ shuttles and stole the units inside it aswell as forcing WhiZ to build more shuttles.

Hans-Titan

Denmark1711 Posts

August 06 2005 20:11 GMT

#63

On August 07 2005 04:48 Madhouse wrote:
pvp island maps, i think it was Daaman who did this vs WhiZ on Dire Straits. Daaman mindcontrolled WhiZ shuttles and stole the units inside it aswell as forcing WhiZ to build more shuttles.

http://www.gosugamers.net/replays.php?id=549 - nice game!

BlueStar

Bulgaria1186 Posts

August 07 2005 14:28 GMT

#64

It's very good strat to use the dark archon's maelstrom vs devs guards and mutas in sair/reaver game - just take in the shuttles with u 1 or two archons - and it equals most of the time to GG

oddeye

Canada716 Posts

September 03 2005 05:05 GMT

#65

On August 07 2005 23:28 BlueStar wrote:
It's very good strat to use the dark archon's maelstrom vs devs guards and mutas in sair/reaver game - just take in the shuttles with u 1 or two archons - and it equals most of the time to GG

agreed its very usefull for that.

Xeroth

United States432 Posts

September 03 2005 08:17 GMT

#66

Heh, 2v2 bgh tp v w/e, you take the middle with cannons, tanks, bunk, turr, w/e, then p masses a ton of DA while ter makes like 10-15 port BC. They keep pumping BC and you mind control them because there is no unit cap on MCing, so you can go above 200/200. Attacking with 10 groups of BCs is incredible.

Also, if the opponents trutle up and tech to car/BC after seeing the middle is contained, you can just MC those units too. The mael/FB could possibly be useful if they tried to break out of the middle, but since this is just a build ot fuck around and have fun with v pubs, I don't think its really a point of stress.

THC-303

Canada113 Posts

September 03 2005 08:54 GMT

#67

Best way to use DA is in multiplayer games.What you do is get 1 person to mass bcs and another to mass carriers.Then you mind control them and get those guys to keep massing them while you mc them.You can have as many bcs/carriers as you want O_O. 100's even.

Xeroth

United States432 Posts

September 03 2005 13:44 GMT

#68

Wow, I swear I didn't say that in the post above.

Luhh

Sweden2974 Posts

September 03 2005 14:56 GMT

#69

It's not that dark archons are bad, but you usually don't have the time and resources needed to get them in a game. Hence I've very seldom used them myself. Probably less than 1/20th of my games.

Brutalisk

794 Posts

June 18 2007 21:02 GMT

#70

Haven't read the thread. Just saying this:

DAs are very effective in late game PvZ, maelstrom + storm half of his army. Especially powerful when the game developed into a big air battle (devourer/muta vs. corsair/carrier). Maelstrom all devourers and storm them dead. Almost imbalanced.
Arbiters with stasis are helpful in PvZ too but they cost even more, that's why they are rarely seen there.

DAs are also very effective in a PvP middle to late game when the opponent goes all Carriers (mind control).

QuanticHawk

United States32165 Posts

June 18 2007 21:24 GMT

#71

HOLY BUMP BATMAN!!

Mael/storming crabs and devs is nice, but it's rare to see it. More common when facing crack/ults. Just freeze the ults and the rest of the stuff melts

Aphelion

United States2720 Posts

June 18 2007 21:41 GMT

#72

On June 19 2007 06:02 Brutalisk wrote:
Haven't read the thread. Just saying this:

DAs are very effective in late game PvZ, maelstrom + storm half of his army. Especially powerful when the game developed into a big air battle (devourer/muta vs. corsair/carrier). Maelstrom all devourers and storm them dead. Almost imbalanced.
Arbiters with stasis are helpful in PvZ too but they cost even more, that's why they are rarely seen there.

DAs are also very effective in a PvP middle to late game when the opponent goes all Carriers (mind control).

Lawl gtfo.

Brutalisk

794 Posts

June 18 2007 21:55 GMT

#73

On June 19 2007 06:41 Aphelion wrote:
Lawl gtfo.

Maybe you should. There were pro gamers doing exactly this (Grrrr, Reach).

edit: what the fuck. This thread was on top of the left side. And I was logged in. How come? It's years old. I didn't want to bump old shit, sorry. But it was on top...

Aphelion

United States2720 Posts

June 18 2007 21:58 GMT

#74

Oh man this is awesome.

SuperJongMan

Jamaica11586 Posts

June 18 2007 22:07 GMT

#75

I'm going to start mind controlling ultralisks....
See what happens.

Aphelion

United States2720 Posts

June 18 2007 22:10 GMT

#76

On June 19 2007 07:07 SuperJongMan wrote:
I'm going to start mind controlling ultralisks....
See what happens.

Unless your in real late game like that Kingdom vs Jju game on luna, that kinda sucks vs ultraling because you don't get any of the armor/attack upgrades. I tried that experiment once w/ zeal archon DA vs ultraling, lings demolish the ultra. Mael is by far better, not to mention that your DA still retain their shields so they're much better as blocking units for your archon / zeal.

Zanno

United States1484 Posts

June 18 2007 23:12 GMT

#77

On June 19 2007 06:55 Brutalisk wrote:

Show nested quote +

Maybe you should.

...read the thread?

lololol

5198 Posts

June 19 2007 02:32 GMT

#78

So you bump a 2 year old thread without even fucking reading it and on top of it you just repeat what is already said in it, are you retarded or something?

KwarK

United States44453 Posts

June 19 2007 02:55 GMT

#79

Apparently it bugged so it was at the top of the list. Just like it is for us now. And he didn't notice that it said "this thread is 2 months old don't bump". Maybe some sort of time fluctuation where he skipped forward 30 seconds, saw the thread was at the top and clicked it, then time reverted to its normal state. Not knowing this Brutalisk gave his contribution thus bumping the thread and allowing him to find it 30 seconds ago.