EPTOn August 04 2005 00:04 oddeye wrote:
is there any use trying to MC ultralisk in PvZ?
is there any use trying to MC ultralisk in PvZ?
yeah there is, look:
http://home.mnet-online.de/Carnac/herimtoVSpltoman.rep
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Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
yeah there is, look: http://home.mnet-online.de/Carnac/herimtoVSpltoman.rep | ||
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kP_cHoBo
United States439 Posts
On August 03 2005 19:40 oddeye wrote: I've seen Maelstrom used in some PvZ. Saw some dark archon tos top carrier in PvP. But that pretty much it, is there any use for the dark archon? Where did u see a dark archon top carriers in pvp? | ||
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Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
either ra or kingdom or sth | ||
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oddeye
Canada716 Posts
On August 04 2005 00:26 Carnac wrote: yeah there is, look: http://home.mnet-online.de/Carnac/herimtoVSpltoman.rep good replay but maybe zerg should have went hydra, but I guess maelstrom own hydra. | ||
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Resonate
United Kingdom8402 Posts
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FroST(TE)
United States909 Posts
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FireBlast!
United Kingdom5251 Posts
On August 04 2005 00:39 kP_cHoBo wrote: Where did u see a dark archon top carriers in pvp? Mycube OSL Semi final game 3 Reach vs Nal_rA (Reach used the DA) | ||
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Sirakor
Great Britain455 Posts
lacking the apm, mind control ultras to soak damage mind control arbiters, carriers, battle cruisers, science vessels, shuttles (+ content)  far better than an instant kill spell... think about itfeed back battle cruisers (!!), science vessels, wraith, defiler, queen, etc... i guess getting DA 'from scratch' in lategame is often expensive and slow, but if you have DT's left from earlier, and your opponent has detection anyways, they lose their effectiveness. Either drop them somewhere where there isnt detection yet, or turn them into DA's and research one of the spells... | ||
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Hans-Titan
Denmark1711 Posts
MAELSTROM: Useful for few things, it is certainly useful for those things. Mass Zerg air (Reachs maelstrom), and Ultras (Giyoms Maelstrom) is probably the best to use it for, even tho Maelstroming 10 lurkers mid game is useful as well... There isn't really any uses for it in PvT, and in PvP maelstroming Zeals is actually the only real thing to use it for. FEEDBACK: What can I say? DIE spellcasters! HT's, defilers, queens, vessels - feedback 'em! One of the things its really useful for, is BC's - no Yamato gun, and up to 250 less hp of it! A shame BC's are so rarely used PvT... Feedback them templars! If you have the control, getting rid of 4 templars, can really hurt your opponent. BTW, Dark Archons are my favourite unit PvZ. So nice to see in use...! Hope it helped! Regds Hans-Titan | ||
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game.no
Norway445 Posts
Against Terran there is very little use for Dark Archons since maelstrom won't be of any use, most Terran go Factory build. There isn't really anything to mind control, maybe science vessels or stray tanks but that wouldn't be too useful against Terran and battlecruisers are rarely made. Feedback could be used against science vessels but that wouldn't really be harmful against the Terran since there isn't much a Science vessel can do against a protoss besides emp or maybe defense matrix, and wraiths are rarely used against protoss. Against Protoss mind control would be somewhat more useful, against reavers or carriers or stray dragoons to add to your army, feedback against hightemplars is really useful and there's really very little use for maelstroms. Dark Archons are a must against Zerg but anything else you might not want more than 2 or possibly 3. | ||
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shimmy
Poland997 Posts
On August 03 2005 21:33 Team liquidater wrote: feedbacking science vessels pisses me off... same with mcing/fbing my medics ¬_¬ then there is the decoy thingy my friend used to haluc DA and send em into my base with one true DA in the back, i would freak, drop what i was doing (upon seeing 20 DA stroll up to meh expo) and immedietly despence useless firepower on the halucs... in the end he would run off with a marine or something, but it always freaked me out O_o xDDD | ||
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GroT
Belgium3003 Posts
also feedbacking wraiths? try to post something that could potentially ever be useful =[ | ||
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Ukyko
Netherlands163 Posts
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Hans-Titan
Denmark1711 Posts
On August 04 2005 08:56 GroT wrote: some of you make it sound as if DA's render opposing spellcasters completely useless ( but obviously it isn't like that.. it's not like they will all get to cast nothing before being feedbacked) I think all we said was that the only real use for Feedback is vs. other spellcasters (due to the fact that they have energy  ).also feedbacking wraiths? try to post something that could potentially ever be useful =[ No offence, but I dont see whats so bad about feedbacking a wraith - 50 energy for a free kill (of course if the wraith has more than 120 energy)! Thats potentialy 4 kills pr DA. I honestly don't see whats so bad about DA vs wraiths. Of course I'm not as skilled as you... Regds Hans-Titan | ||
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GroT
Belgium3003 Posts
1] Wraiths are a very bad choice in most any TvP game. Good players haven't built wraiths in TvP except late game against carriers, and even there I am personally pro-goliath and anti-wraith. We can conclude that wraiths are easily countered by protoss, except in late game with carriers in play probably leaving no gas for DA's 2] DA's are still a high tech expensive unit that's hard to get. Paying energy to cripple or at best kill 1 to 3 wraiths is just not effective enough to qualify a DA as a "counter" to wraiths. Think cannons. Think dragoons. If wraiths were a problem, which they almost never are, think corsairs. Those are real counters. 3] Compare the effect of this spellcaster when you use it to cripple 2 wraiths with the effects of some other spellcasters. High templars storming a stacked-with-SCV mineral line. Queens ensnaring a big group of corsairs and shuttles, making control groups worth of expensive units die when they could have fled. Science vessels continually irradiating the incredible expensive and effective defilers. Those are the type of situations where spellcasters are succesfully used.. game-breaking situations. 4] A wraith comes at a cost of 150/100 If you already have a dark archon and it's around a bunch of wraiths, feedbacking would be a good choice. If you are getting dark archons because you want to feedback wraiths with them in the first place, you are playing out a bad bw strategy | ||
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GroT
Belgium3003 Posts
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Holorin
France227 Posts
MC has a wicked casting-time/lagging shit/DA turning time that really pisses me off fb wraith is for style :p get 4 goons for the gas and it's no wraith no more if you have insanely high spare apm you could drop a DA and a reaver/ht to maelstrom scvs and kill them all without them fleeing away or dodging storm (which happens so often to me, the will survive cause they have 60 hp) and for vessels there's a trick : don't upgrade the reactor so it will not die to fb | ||
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Regentropfen
Germany277 Posts
never tried, are scvs meant to be "organic"? | ||
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Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
- lockdown works - irridiate works - maelstrom works - broodling works - they can be repaired and healed | ||
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Holorin
France227 Posts
On August 04 2005 10:22 Carnac wrote: actually they are the only unit combining organical and mechanical (in bw terms) characteristics: - lockdown works - irridiate works - maelstrom works - broodling works - they can be repaired and healed yeah, all spells can be cast on it (except feedback) | ||
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