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traceurling
Profile Joined December 2012
United States1240 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-21 05:09:20
March 21 2013 05:08 GMT
#2521
Which one do you use in which situation?
Oh and ctrl+c was the one I was looking for because sometimes in replays Ill have a unit selected and I want to center on it so I believe ctrl+c would do that for me...
"Appreciate the things you have before they become the things you had."
thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5500 Posts
March 21 2013 07:09 GMT
#2522
On March 21 2013 06:21 ninazerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2013 01:15 therockmanxx wrote:
Can anyone give me some tips of how to play antimeta for ZvT ? =3

I wanna be 1 step above always xD


1. Join a game.
2. The person will see you have a [PE] tag and will assume you're going to do some all-in 2-hatch lurker/ling bust.
3. Play standard and blow their minds.

Sick startegy!
http://i45.tinypic.com/9j2cdc.jpg Let it be so!
Bakuryu
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany1065 Posts
March 21 2013 07:41 GMT
#2523
hold always to get the most out of my range, patrol to shot stuff while retreating, right click to make sure i focus mutas in muta vs muta battle or sniping single drone with 5 mutas
therockmanxx
Profile Joined July 2010
Peru1174 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-21 14:12:35
March 21 2013 14:08 GMT
#2524
On March 21 2013 16:09 thezanursic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2013 06:21 ninazerg wrote:
On March 21 2013 01:15 therockmanxx wrote:
Can anyone give me some tips of how to play antimeta for ZvT ? =3

I wanna be 1 step above always xD


1. Join a game.
2. The person will see you have a [PE] tag and will assume you're going to do some all-in 2-hatch lurker/ling bust.
3. Play standard and blow their minds.

Sick startegy!


I hate you guys D=
Especially because it works...
Whats if Iam playing a [PE]vs[PE]??
Tekken ProGamer
UPro-BW
Profile Joined September 2012
81 Posts
March 21 2013 18:58 GMT
#2525
On March 21 2013 23:08 therockmanxx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2013 16:09 thezanursic wrote:
On March 21 2013 06:21 ninazerg wrote:
On March 21 2013 01:15 therockmanxx wrote:
Can anyone give me some tips of how to play antimeta for ZvT ? =3

I wanna be 1 step above always xD


1. Join a game.
2. The person will see you have a [PE] tag and will assume you're going to do some all-in 2-hatch lurker/ling bust.
3. Play standard and blow their minds.

Sick startegy!


I hate you guys D=
Especially because it works...
Whats if Iam playing a [PE]vs[PE]??

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"3t4t5t6v7v8v9v" - iloveoov
puppykiller
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States3137 Posts
March 22 2013 01:32 GMT
#2526
This has been asked 100 times but I don't remember the common answer. What is the proper time to stop scv production in tvp? Don't say never because if I never stop scv production I end up with a small maxed army.
Why would I play sctoo when I can play BW?
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-23 05:52:13
March 23 2013 05:35 GMT
#2527
Greetings, started Starcraft campaign and at the zerg part atm but i seem to have issues with rallying.
When i want to rally reinforcements i tend to click the hatch rally to my army but as result when i make drones or ovies they ofc do the same.Cannot change the waypoints of the eggs themselves either. Any tips to have some decent rally would be very helpful.
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10353 Posts
March 23 2013 06:04 GMT
#2528
On March 23 2013 14:35 Assirra wrote:
Greetings, started Starcraft campaign and at the zerg part atm but i seem to have issues with rallying.
When i want to rally reinforcements i tend to click the hatch rally to my army but as result when i make drones or ovies they ofc do the same.Cannot change the waypoints of the eggs themselves either. Any tips to have some decent rally would be very helpful.

There isn't much that can be done about this, you see progamers having drones mixed with army at their rally towards the end of the game all the time. The compromise imo is that early on your rally should be closer to your base (with exceptions for a single batch of units like Muta). Later on you can move it out farther as you are making fewer drones out of your old bases. Remember to use the F keys (f2 f3 f4) for screen locks on rally points. It's just a matter of speed imo ): I have to hotkey back to my hatch to stop the drones from running too far away haha.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
sabas123
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands3122 Posts
March 23 2013 13:41 GMT
#2529
On March 23 2013 15:04 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2013 14:35 Assirra wrote:
Greetings, started Starcraft campaign and at the zerg part atm but i seem to have issues with rallying.
When i want to rally reinforcements i tend to click the hatch rally to my army but as result when i make drones or ovies they ofc do the same.Cannot change the waypoints of the eggs themselves either. Any tips to have some decent rally would be very helpful.

There isn't much that can be done about this, you see progamers having drones mixed with army at their rally towards the end of the game all the time. The compromise imo is that early on your rally should be closer to your base (with exceptions for a single batch of units like Muta). Later on you can move it out farther as you are making fewer drones out of your old bases. Remember to use the F keys (f2 f3 f4) for screen locks on rally points. It's just a matter of speed imo ): I have to hotkey back to my hatch to stop the drones from running too far away haha.

F keys on rally point sucks quite hard if you have 3+ bases lol)

normaly you set your rally close (1.5 screen away max, or something you click on the minimap)
it is just a matter of speed, sending and being on top of them when they (just) hatch(ed)
The harder it becomes, the more you should focus on the basics.
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
March 23 2013 14:11 GMT
#2530
brood war is a very mentally taxing game. do you guys have any tips for keeping the games going? should I rest in between games? all tips welcome, except for smoking! ;P
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10353 Posts
March 23 2013 14:55 GMT
#2531
On March 23 2013 23:11 Golgotha wrote:
brood war is a very mentally taxing game. do you guys have any tips for keeping the games going? should I rest in between games? all tips welcome, except for smoking! ;P

You make me feel terribly dumb because I never get fatigued haha xD My friend Puzzle[wOk] does though but he also plays at insanely low mouse sensitivity and high apm so I think his arm is just tired haha.

Anyways, because I've seen tired players, I think that my best suggestions are smoke weed, eat a snack, drink a beer, smoke a cigarette, in that order.I drink and smoke between every game lol. But since you said none of that stuff...

Have you tried watching replays?
I feel like this might still be mentally taxing but you might be able to relax a little because you're not being stressed while watching it. Watch at x2, watch from the opponent perspective only, etc. - try different perspectives, take your time, then apply lessons learned ^^

Or maybe decreasing your spam, aiming to instead increase your EAPM?
This might be mentally taxing but I feel like part of the problem is that when people get caught up in the speed and spam, they get too stressed out. Try to distance yourself from spam and think more about eapm, maybe your endurance will go up.

Of course, you still have to take breaks. There is a half-time in football, a breather in between workouts, a cool down period after a mile run on the treadmill. BW needs breaks too! To optimize your breaks I suggest drink a glass of water and lay down on your bed for a few minutes, so that you are not in front of the computer all day. Think about something else ^^
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
puppykiller
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States3137 Posts
March 23 2013 19:55 GMT
#2532
One trick that is rarely talked about that makes management much easier especially in zvt or zvp, is to not use hotkeys on your hatcheries that are on the corners of the map, and instead hold down the mouse wheel and flick the mouse in that direction. It should rapidly transport the screen in the direction the mouse moved. This of course works better on some maps that others.
Why would I play sctoo when I can play BW?
puppykiller
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States3137 Posts
March 23 2013 19:55 GMT
#2533
On March 23 2013 23:11 Golgotha wrote:
brood war is a very mentally taxing game. do you guys have any tips for keeping the games going? should I rest in between games? all tips welcome, except for smoking! ;P


If you play a ton you will build up stamina. I could play all day with no breaks but that might be just me.
Why would I play sctoo when I can play BW?
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
March 23 2013 22:01 GMT
#2534
Hey jealous that means you are smart! Great tips, especially the spam. That is genius. I will play at lower speed and focus on game play when I get tired. Thanks man!
Rlentless
Profile Joined January 2011
Hong Kong322 Posts
March 23 2013 22:48 GMT
#2535
I don't know if thats true or not, haha. In games where my eapm is like 180+ I'm usually doing more stuff and even faster etc. my screen is going everywhere in the map and I get pretty stressed after a few games like that.

On March 22 2013 10:32 puppykiller wrote:
This has been asked 100 times but I don't remember the common answer. What is the proper time to stop scv production in tvp? Don't say never because if I never stop scv production I end up with a small maxed army.


hmm...Well, at least for me after looking through some replays I usually stop scv production after I start my 2-1 upgrade for around 55 scvs. This is usually enough for 8-9 factores. This is just me and even though I watch a lot of afreeca streams it doesn't really reflect my play. =/
puppykiller
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States3137 Posts
March 23 2013 23:28 GMT
#2536
On March 24 2013 07:48 Rlentless wrote:
I don't know if thats true or not, haha. In games where my eapm is like 180+ I'm usually doing more stuff and even faster etc. my screen is going everywhere in the map and I get pretty stressed after a few games like that.

Show nested quote +
On March 22 2013 10:32 puppykiller wrote:
This has been asked 100 times but I don't remember the common answer. What is the proper time to stop scv production in tvp? Don't say never because if I never stop scv production I end up with a small maxed army.


hmm...Well, at least for me after looking through some replays I usually stop scv production after I start my 2-1 upgrade for around 55 scvs. This is usually enough for 8-9 factores. This is just me and even though I watch a lot of afreeca streams it doesn't really reflect my play. =/


I decided that I want to stop around 80 scv's. This gives me room for 2 control groups of tanks, 2 control groups of vultures, 1 group of goliaths and vultures, and 2 science vessels. It's a lot of scv's but that helps me when I take a 4th and I also can build a lot of turrets if I want. I also don't think I can really handle more than 5 control groups of mech army. Maybe if I go for a map split strat though I would make less scv.
Why would I play sctoo when I can play BW?
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10353 Posts
March 24 2013 00:43 GMT
#2537
On March 24 2013 08:28 puppykiller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2013 07:48 Rlentless wrote:
I don't know if thats true or not, haha. In games where my eapm is like 180+ I'm usually doing more stuff and even faster etc. my screen is going everywhere in the map and I get pretty stressed after a few games like that.

On March 22 2013 10:32 puppykiller wrote:
This has been asked 100 times but I don't remember the common answer. What is the proper time to stop scv production in tvp? Don't say never because if I never stop scv production I end up with a small maxed army.


hmm...Well, at least for me after looking through some replays I usually stop scv production after I start my 2-1 upgrade for around 55 scvs. This is usually enough for 8-9 factores. This is just me and even though I watch a lot of afreeca streams it doesn't really reflect my play. =/


I decided that I want to stop around 80 scv's. This gives me room for 2 control groups of tanks, 2 control groups of vultures, 1 group of goliaths and vultures, and 2 science vessels. It's a lot of scv's but that helps me when I take a 4th and I also can build a lot of turrets if I want. I also don't think I can really handle more than 5 control groups of mech army. Maybe if I go for a map split strat though I would make less scv.

Afaik 80 is a pretty standard number.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5500 Posts
March 24 2013 13:32 GMT
#2538
Where could I find a large quantity of FPVODs from progamers on YT (Not B.net attack because it produced bad games or into the MSL)?

thanks
http://i45.tinypic.com/9j2cdc.jpg Let it be so!
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10353 Posts
March 24 2013 14:38 GMT
#2539
On March 24 2013 22:32 thezanursic wrote:
Where could I find a large quantity of FPVODs from progamers on YT (Not B.net attack because it produced bad games or into the MSL)?

thanks

So I just searched "FPVOD" on TL and...

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=272381
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=320183

Most of the other threads are just TL members posting FPVODs. However, there are some really good players who posted FPVOD threads who you would probably benefit from by watching, such as Oystein. Why watch only progamers when you can also watch high-level foreigners too? Probably more user-friendly (English text maybe), probably easier to follow, and still high-level. Here is the search I did:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=fpvod&t=t&f=6&u=&gb=date&d=

Search function is powerful ;D
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
traceurling
Profile Joined December 2012
United States1240 Posts
March 24 2013 15:00 GMT
#2540
How do you guys hotkey hatcheries/units in ZvZ?
"Appreciate the things you have before they become the things you had."
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