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Do Zerg players just like to help? - Page 2
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Oystein
Norway1602 Posts
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Arrian
United States889 Posts
One of the main reasons I play Zerg is because of that uniqueness. And also because I, too, like making drones. | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
Zerg is just much harder to balance in the beginning when you start playing, it is a truly unique race among RTS platforms and that's why I like it so much. My point is though that I wouldn't wish that on anyone again, if they are willing to learn I don't see why I wouldn't at least help out. | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
 I practise my muta micro and do a lot of 2 hat muta in to lurker or the other way around , but i normaly suck at controling large armys middle game vs terran i end up losing a lot of lings ... Well at least until C - i don't have eny problems . if there is eny vods on standart ZvT i would be happy to see them : / . | ||
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Spyfire242
United States715 Posts
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On March 19 2009 03:32 raga4ka wrote: I really need to lurn standart ZvT I practise my muta micro and do a lot of 2 hat muta in to lurker or the other way around , but i normaly suck at controling large armys middle game vs terran i end up losing a lot of lings ... Well at least until C - i don't have eny problems . if there is eny vods on standart ZvT i would be happy to see them : / .Luxury doesn't play standard ZvT much at all, I think he's doing pretty good . You probably just need more unit control practice with large armies, at least that's what helped me. My muta control still sucks something fierce but at least my lurker/ling hydra/lurker (read everything else :/) is starting to get quite decent.To Spyfire, yes zerg is 100% most difficult to learn when you're just BEGINNING. I'm talking about like people that barely have the basics down. The balance between larva management and drone -> building type mechanics make it quite a lot of thinking for a brand new player. That's why it's usually suggested you at least start with Terran/Protoss with the workers and units separated so you at least get a feel for the game. I didn't listen and I paid for it dearly for awhile After basics though it evens out yes. | ||
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ramen247
United States1256 Posts
1. the foreigner terrans (idra is korean, so he is not included) dont have any idea how to 2. terran is hard. 3. most terran advice only applies after you get pretty good and fast... 4. the best foreigner tvz still loses horribly to korean muta harass. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On March 19 2009 05:44 Spyfire242 wrote: I don't think any race is harder to learn than another race, I do believe however that certain races suit certain players better, for example I played zerg for a very long time before I realized that Terran is better suited to my style of play and that I am much better with them, for me they are easier to learn and control than zerg but for someone else terran may be harder. And to the OP, maybe you are just unlucky I am sure there are many terrans out there willing to teach, id offer to but I am still learning myself so I am D+ at best. Protoss is by far the easiest to learn. I started with them and stayed with them for a season and a half a second season on iCCuP before switching to Zerg. I've tried switching to Terran but my mechanics aren't the best. The way I see it... Protoss is good learning the fundamentals of the game. Zerg requires the highest gamesense on what to do and when to do it. Terran requires the strictest mechanics, such as in terms of micro and macro. By no means am I saying toss is an easy race to play... just easIER. | ||
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YPang
United States4024 Posts
On March 19 2009 06:15 FabledIntegral wrote: By no means am I saying toss is an easy race to play... just easIER. EasIER out of the 3 means easIEST | ||
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PH
United States6173 Posts
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AttackZerg
United States7454 Posts
On March 19 2009 01:26 Chill wrote: Yes Zerg is the hardest race to learn. If people are at a reasonable level I really like helping them because I know how long it takes to learn from experience only. This. Terran requires so many different skills before strategy even matters. Zerg is more like protoss in that you can get away with worse mechanics, but hard to grasp timing wise like terran. Also I think terran can be learned easier threw observation while when I try to mimmic zerg strats I generally fail because they are so situational (and I suck) | ||
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Spyfire242
United States715 Posts
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checo
Mexico1364 Posts
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Clasic
Bosnia-Herzegovina1437 Posts
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Sadist
United States7220 Posts
I dunno to me Terran is less about a guide and more playing mechanically perfect with micro/macro than the other races at least at lower levels. Early game Terran is far and away the least forgiving of the 3 races. I guess there are just little intricacies I dont really understand and I feel most if not all non-koreans dont understand. It seems to be that with zerg and toss you can kinda just do something and you can make it work out or at least not make you lose (unless its something retarded like going entirely goon vs 4 fact pure tank or something)whereas terran you can get fucked really hard early because of your build and be basically dead unless the opponent fucks up bad. Ive definitely noticed more zerg players help each other out though, but above is my reasoning behind why terran is more difficult to get help with. | ||
Chill
Calgary25980 Posts
Terran - raw mechanics Zerg - Larve management and army composition Protoss - intuition | ||
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SkepTicAL
Canada872 Posts
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ramen247
United States1256 Posts
On March 19 2009 07:09 SkepTicAL wrote: Ya terran is not much strategic thinking to it, just repetition of situations until you get good at it. There isn't much room to be creative mid/late game. That's why people make the joke terrans are robots, when in fact they need to be robots in order to consistently win. In the foreigner scene, I do believe terran is the hardest race to master because of the lack of insight we get compared to the koreans. Not trying to be bias or anything, but look at gg.net's ranking system(of course not terribly accurate but generally it gives decent insight), there are only 3 terrans in a list of 30 players, that says something right there. thats not true. terran creativity is much more subtle, and cant be seen with foreinger eyes. | ||
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SkepTicAL
Canada872 Posts
TvZ is the only m/u that comes to me where you can be creative with builds lately like fantasy and oov, but TvP and TvT are a pretty strict guideline that you cannot stray away from unless you wanna get skull bashed. | ||
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Naib
Hungary4843 Posts
On March 19 2009 06:47 Chill wrote: I agree with your analysis. I've always the hardest part of learning each race is: Terran - raw mechanics Zerg - Larve management and army composition Protoss - intuition See, that's why Protoss is the hardest race - because you get a feel how the game flows, but you can't learn intuition unlike mechanics and army composition.  | ||
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