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Wizard
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Poland5055 Posts
May 14 2008 22:36 GMT
#81
Terran
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Superiorwolf
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States5509 Posts
May 14 2008 22:40 GMT
#82
Terran. The big problem for intermediate Zergs is splitting up larvae on drones and units correctly. There is a much larger gap between amateur Terrans and better Terrans because there's mechanics needed, timing needed, game sense needed, and overall I think it's probably hardest as an intermediate.
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Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
May 14 2008 22:58 GMT
#83
On May 15 2008 07:33 fusionsdf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2008 05:31 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote:
On May 15 2008 00:55 fusionsdf wrote:
its certainly not fucking protoss

Agreed.

"whats that, you have basic macro skills? well fuck then welcome to team protoss."


sig'd



Wtf guys. You know how difficult PvT actually is?

Your exp is later than the terrans. Dies to a timing push.

Your dts run into mines. Dies to vulture harass.

Your reaver dies to a turret. Dies to an early push.

All those things are inevitable. At all other matchups except maybe in ZvZ you can lose a couple of units midgame and still have a chance to win, that's not even remotely possible in PvT.

A minimal macro mistake, even something like forgetting a pylon WILL lose you the game in PvT. Or not flanking your units perfectly in lategame. It's almost impossible to get back from a economical disadvatage vs a stable terran who knows when to push. I don't think I've ever won a game against a terran relatively close to my skill level who got higher supply than me midgame.

Although in my opinion PvZ is pretty ez at foreigner level (most zergs doesn't know how to flank and snipe templars correctly), PvP is the most confusing matchup ever because it rewards risky play more than any other matchup. I'm pretty confident in PvP but I still haven't really grasped it, sometimes it feels impossible to master because there's always a possibility to lose against a worse player - at least when both players are teching blind.
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EnergyTraction
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Canada233 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-14 23:01:21
May 14 2008 23:01 GMT
#84
On May 15 2008 07:58 Shauni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2008 07:33 fusionsdf wrote:
On May 15 2008 05:31 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote:
On May 15 2008 00:55 fusionsdf wrote:
its certainly not fucking protoss

Agreed.

"whats that, you have basic macro skills? well fuck then welcome to team protoss."


sig'd



Wtf guys. You know how difficult PvT actually is?

Your exp is later than the terrans. Dies to a timing push.

Your dts run into mines. Dies to vulture harass.

Your reaver dies to a turret. Dies to an early push.

All those things are inevitable. At all other matchups except maybe in ZvZ you can lose a couple of units midgame and still have a chance to win, that's not even remotely possible in PvT.

A minimal macro mistake, even something like forgetting a pylon WILL lose you the game in PvT. Or not flanking your units perfectly in lategame. It's almost impossible to get back from a economical disadvatage vs a stable terran who knows when to push. I don't think I've ever won a game against a terran relatively close to my skill level who got higher supply than me midgame.

Although in my opinion PvZ is pretty ez at foreigner level (most zergs doesn't know how to flank and snipe templars correctly), PvP is the most confusing matchup ever because it rewards risky play more than any other matchup. I'm pretty confident in PvP but I still haven't really grasped it, sometimes it feels impossible to master because there's always a possibility to lose against a worse player - at least when both players are teching blind.


I don't think you know what inevitable means. You're also missing the difference between a progamer and a D gamer
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zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
May 14 2008 23:03 GMT
#85
I don't know why Protoss get so much crap. PvZ is not easy... the zerg has so many options and the toss has to react to it and small mistakes can mean the game is over really quickly.
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
May 14 2008 23:15 GMT
#86
i picked Z
HotZhot
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Colombia677 Posts
May 14 2008 23:18 GMT
#87
Hmm ZvT IS a bitch, haven't played terran much but they are hard also.
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
May 14 2008 23:19 GMT
#88
On May 15 2008 08:03 zer0das wrote:
I don't know why Protoss get so much crap. PvZ is not easy... the zerg has so many options and the toss has to react to it and small mistakes can mean the game is over really quickly.


nah, i find pvz really easy. especially nowadays with these 100% safe FE builds. the macro is just so easy i tend to run over any zerg near my own level with my protoss, and i don't play protoss
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
May 14 2008 23:19 GMT
#89
On May 15 2008 07:33 fusionsdf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2008 05:31 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote:
On May 15 2008 00:55 fusionsdf wrote:
its certainly not fucking protoss

Agreed.

"whats that, you have basic macro skills? well fuck then welcome to team protoss."


sig'd


whats that, you suck with all races? well fuck then welcome to team monkeyspanker+fusionsdf!!!!



SIGGGGGGGGGGGGG
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-14 23:22:33
May 14 2008 23:20 GMT
#90
On May 15 2008 08:19 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2008 08:03 zer0das wrote:
I don't know why Protoss get so much crap. PvZ is not easy... the zerg has so many options and the toss has to react to it and small mistakes can mean the game is over really quickly.


nah, i find pvz really easy. especially nowadays with these 100% safe FE builds. the macro is just so easy i tend to run over any zerg near my own level with my protoss, and i don't play protoss

Steve as much as much I love you I highly doubt you beat zergs of your OWN LEVEL with your off race(protoss)
you are playing worse players

it's not so 100% safe either because of the new popular fast speedling build. you dont know what the Z is doing til corsair
balls
afdagfhds3gdg2
Profile Joined May 2007
United States77 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-27 17:52:32
May 14 2008 23:22 GMT
#91
--- Nuked ---
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
May 14 2008 23:24 GMT
#92
On May 15 2008 08:01 EnergyTraction wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2008 07:58 Shauni wrote:
On May 15 2008 07:33 fusionsdf wrote:
On May 15 2008 05:31 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote:
On May 15 2008 00:55 fusionsdf wrote:
its certainly not fucking protoss

Agreed.

"whats that, you have basic macro skills? well fuck then welcome to team protoss."


sig'd



Wtf guys. You know how difficult PvT actually is?

Your exp is later than the terrans. Dies to a timing push.

Your dts run into mines. Dies to vulture harass.

Your reaver dies to a turret. Dies to an early push.

All those things are inevitable. At all other matchups except maybe in ZvZ you can lose a couple of units midgame and still have a chance to win, that's not even remotely possible in PvT.

A minimal macro mistake, even something like forgetting a pylon WILL lose you the game in PvT. Or not flanking your units perfectly in lategame. It's almost impossible to get back from a economical disadvatage vs a stable terran who knows when to push. I don't think I've ever won a game against a terran relatively close to my skill level who got higher supply than me midgame.

Although in my opinion PvZ is pretty ez at foreigner level (most zergs doesn't know how to flank and snipe templars correctly), PvP is the most confusing matchup ever because it rewards risky play more than any other matchup. I'm pretty confident in PvP but I still haven't really grasped it, sometimes it feels impossible to master because there's always a possibility to lose against a worse player - at least when both players are teching blind.


I don't think you know what inevitable means. You're also missing the difference between a progamer and a D gamer


I think that applies to like C and higher gamers lol
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
May 14 2008 23:26 GMT
#93
On May 15 2008 08:20 OneOther wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2008 08:19 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
On May 15 2008 08:03 zer0das wrote:
I don't know why Protoss get so much crap. PvZ is not easy... the zerg has so many options and the toss has to react to it and small mistakes can mean the game is over really quickly.


nah, i find pvz really easy. especially nowadays with these 100% safe FE builds. the macro is just so easy i tend to run over any zerg near my own level with my protoss, and i don't play protoss

Steve as much as much I love you I highly doubt you beat zergs of your OWN LEVEL with your off race(protoss)
you are playing worse players

it's not so 100% safe either because of the new popular fast speedling build. you have know what the Z is doing til corsair
balls


no, i'm playing people at my level. I'm not great to begin with, the point is that without really playing protoss (besides when i random vs manifesto) my pvz is almost as good as my tvz, with results mixing depending on whether the zerg is particularily good or bad at those two matchups
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
May 14 2008 23:37 GMT
#94
On May 15 2008 08:26 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2008 08:20 OneOther wrote:
On May 15 2008 08:19 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
On May 15 2008 08:03 zer0das wrote:
I don't know why Protoss get so much crap. PvZ is not easy... the zerg has so many options and the toss has to react to it and small mistakes can mean the game is over really quickly.


nah, i find pvz really easy. especially nowadays with these 100% safe FE builds. the macro is just so easy i tend to run over any zerg near my own level with my protoss, and i don't play protoss

Steve as much as much I love you I highly doubt you beat zergs of your OWN LEVEL with your off race(protoss)
you are playing worse players

it's not so 100% safe either because of the new popular fast speedling build. you have know what the Z is doing til corsair
balls


no, i'm playing people at my level. I'm not great to begin with, the point is that without really playing protoss (besides when i random vs manifesto) my pvz is almost as good as my tvz, with results mixing depending on whether the zerg is particularily good or bad at those two matchups

haha, well...
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
May 14 2008 23:40 GMT
#95
well... pvz is easy

hahah
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
IzzyCraft
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4487 Posts
May 14 2008 23:47 GMT
#96
T for forigners
Z for kor pros
I have ass for brains so,
even when I shit I'm droping knowledge.
phase
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States399 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-14 23:51:23
May 14 2008 23:48 GMT
#97
Your exp is later than the terrans. Dies to a timing push.

T PoV: Your exp is earlier than protoss, because protoss went some kind of tech build and harasses you. Your timing push is delayed and protoss flanks you or shuttles your push.

Your dts run into mines. Dies to vulture harass.

T PoV: The Protoss was smart and ran a zealot in first to defuse mines. You
a) lose right there to DT rush.
b) counter with vulture harass, but Protoss was smart and put a DT on ramp, so you also lose to the DT rush.

Your reaver dies to a turret. Dies to an early push.

T PoV: The turret at the top of your CC doesn't reach the shuttle below your CC, you lose ~1 tank, 4 marines, 6-7scvs and mining time, and timing. You
a) lose right there to a goon counter at your nat
b) lose when you normally do your timing push because P bought some time with the reaver for his 3rd to get up

All those things are inevitable. At all other matchups except maybe in ZvZ you can lose a couple of units midgame and still have a chance to win, that's not even remotely possible in PvT.

No. lol.

A minimal macro mistake, even something like forgetting a pylon WILL lose you the game in PvT.

A minimal macro mistake, even something like forgetting a supply depot WILL lose you the game in TvP.

It's almost impossible to get back from a economical disadvatage vs a stable terran who knows when to push.

No, harass + flank + expo.

I don't think I've ever won a game against a terran relatively close to my skill level who got higher supply than me midgame.

If midgame terran had higher supply than you, then he must be at a higher skill level than you.

TvP is one of the LEAST forgiving matchups. If a P ever catches your army mobile, you'll lose to an army half your size. I mean, watch Nony vs. Artosis on the side if you don't believe me. Artosis had it in the bag, but lategame he constantly lost his army to half his army size over and over again.
IzzyCraft
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4487 Posts
May 14 2008 23:50 GMT
#98
On May 15 2008 08:03 zer0das wrote:
I don't know why Protoss get so much crap. PvZ is not easy... the zerg has so many options and the toss has to react to it and small mistakes can mean the game is over really quickly.

Because at like D C level of play on iccup toss is fucked up race that people either tri gate or mass sair dt mass sair shuttle basiclly alot of people dont see toss pros as something hard to play toss usualy is a race that you will build less do less becuase everything is stronger and so by common scence people assoiate that with easier. ZVP is a zerg lively hood good zergs are good at zvp good toss are good at pvt good terrans are good at tvz those are the showmen match ups that any pro usualy should be getting easy wins in no our fault if people practice zvp alot more then pvz
I have ass for brains so,
even when I shit I'm droping knowledge.
Darkmole
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States900 Posts
May 14 2008 23:56 GMT
#99
Terran becuz if you dont have speed for terran then your gonna suck soooo bad...
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-14 23:59:15
May 14 2008 23:57 GMT
#100
On May 15 2008 08:40 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
well... pvz is easy

hahah

play some decent zergs and pvz gets hard ;p

seriously though, "pvz is easy" is a pretty ridiculous statement lol
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