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This is how i like to think of toss players QQMOAR about shit being hard.
SC is a hard game to play when the level increases don't play pvz agnist jaedong all day and say fucking pvz is imba impossible fucking hardest shit ever. People play to their strenghts PvZ not your strongest match up dont call it hard its just hard for you. Toss is unforgiving in macro games because it cost more for you to replace shit doesn't make it hard just means you need more macro and your not keeping up.
"xyz" (4:56:49 PM): "whats that, you have basic macro skills? well fuck then welcome to team protoss."
Moi (4:57:06 PM): pretty much
"xyz" (4:57:18 PM): if i were a protoss player
"xyz" (4:57:21 PM): i'd be in the Ro16 TSL
"xyz" (4:57:22 PM): lol
Give the SC game to anyone new tell us which race he will choose to play will it be toss??
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Python is the shittiest shit shit map for Protoss.
Protoss is hard... est.
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On May 15 2008 08:48 phase wrote:T PoV: Your exp is earlier than protoss, because protoss went some kind of tech build and harasses you. Your timing push is delayed and protoss flanks you or shuttles your push. T PoV: The Protoss was smart and ran a zealot in first to defuse mines. You a) lose right there to DT rush. b) counter with vulture harass, but Protoss was smart and put a DT on ramp, so you also lose to the DT rush. T PoV: The turret at the top of your CC doesn't reach the shuttle below your CC, you lose ~1 tank, 4 marines, 6-7scvs and mining time, and timing. You a) lose right there to a goon counter at your nat b) lose when you normally do your timing push because P bought some time with the reaver for his 3rd to get up Show nested quote +All those things are inevitable. At all other matchups except maybe in ZvZ you can lose a couple of units midgame and still have a chance to win, that's not even remotely possible in PvT. No. lol. Show nested quote +A minimal macro mistake, even something like forgetting a pylon WILL lose you the game in PvT. A minimal macro mistake, even something like forgetting a supply depot WILL lose you the game in TvP. Show nested quote +It's almost impossible to get back from a economical disadvatage vs a stable terran who knows when to push. No, harass + flank + expo. Show nested quote +I don't think I've ever won a game against a terran relatively close to my skill level who got higher supply than me midgame. If midgame terran had higher supply than you, then he must be at a higher skill level than you. TvP is one of the LEAST forgiving matchups. If a P ever catches your army mobile, you'll lose to an army half your size. I mean, watch Nony vs. Artosis on the side if you don't believe me. Artosis had it in the bag, but lategame he constantly lost his army to half his army size over and over again.
Yeah it really depends on POV. You say TvP is one of the least forgiving matchups, but from the protoss side in PvT if you click and loser the shuttle you are basically fucked. run into mines on accident you are done. do a stupid attack you are done.
so this can go really go on forever.
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On May 15 2008 08:57 OneOther wrote:play some decent zergs and pvz gets hard ;p seriously though, "pvz is easy" is a pretty ridiculous statement lol
play someone good and its hard to win? no way
i dunno what to tell you rayray, at the level i'm at (not a beginner by any means but surely nowhere near a high-level foreigner) i find pvz really, really easy.
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On May 15 2008 09:02 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2008 08:57 OneOther wrote:On May 15 2008 08:40 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
well... pvz is easy
hahah play some decent zergs and pvz gets hard ;p seriously though, "pvz is easy" is a pretty ridiculous statement lol play someone good and its hard to win? no way i dunno what to tell you rayray, at the level i'm at (not a beginner by any means but surely nowhere near a high-level foreigner) i find pvz really, really easy.
haha fair enough steve
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Just count the number of toss compaired to terran and zerg in the TSL and you'll get your answer
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On May 15 2008 09:07 IzzyCraft wrote:
Just count the number of toss compaired to terran and zerg in the TSL and you'll get your answer
answer = you are retarded!
count the number of OSLs/MSLs terran/zerg have won.
you are going to say this isn't about progamers, but it's not about the best foreigners either. How does that mean anything..
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On May 15 2008 09:12 OneOther wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2008 09:07 IzzyCraft wrote:
Just count the number of toss compaired to terran and zerg in the TSL and you'll get your answer answer = you are retarded! count the number of OSLs/MSLs terran/zerg have won. you are going to say this isn't about progamers, but it's not about the best foreigners either. How does that mean anything..
So does that mean toss is a hard race by no means just means there wasn't any toss that had the skill to take OSL and MSL until recently that is individual performance if you noticed those zergs and terran where usually the same person many times over. Its like saying well count how many times a man or woman won top honors in a school and not counting how many men and women there are total
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On May 15 2008 02:30 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
With great effort comes high reward though. I think while Terran is by far the hardest race to play it is also the most rewarding. The best players on earth have usually been terran because they have usually had the most talent, worked the hardest and had the foresight to pick a race that while extremely difficult to play rewards the gamer with tremendous success if properly harnessed. Completely agree with this, I feel the reason Terran's win most of the time is because of how much work they've put into it. Go watch VOD's of Terran players off-racing, it's like wtf gosu, especially when they pick Protoss lawl. :O
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On May 15 2008 09:01 SuperJongMan wrote:
Python is the shittiest shit shit map for Protoss.
Protoss is hard... est.
trying to set up a cross map push is so hard on that map 
so easy to get flanked, and obs means he knows when you are unseiged/vulnerable.
I still dont know whether I prefer to slow push on that map or not
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its so different from terran and protoss for me :X
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On May 15 2008 09:17 IzzyCraft wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2008 09:12 OneOther wrote:On May 15 2008 09:07 IzzyCraft wrote:
Just count the number of toss compaired to terran and zerg in the TSL and you'll get your answer answer = you are retarded! count the number of OSLs/MSLs terran/zerg have won. you are going to say this isn't about progamers, but it's not about the best foreigners either. How does that mean anything.. So does that mean toss is a hard race by no means just means there wasn't any toss that had the skill to take OSL and MSL until recently that is individual performance if you noticed those zergs and terran where usually the same person many times over. Its like saying well count how many times a man or woman won top honors in a school and not counting how many men and women there are total
Ok, explain to me how the number of protoss in TSL means anything.
(use some periods and commas while you are it, please)
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I could never find the total numbers of players for tsl i know its on iccup somewhere i just didnt bother
so i did kor pros who to most display meta game scence you dont seem to like foringers to establish high level play
number of pros| number of pros in top 30 kespa
Toss 9.47% 95 |9
Terran 13.7% 102|14
Zerg 6.14% 114|7
conclude w/e you want from this took the number all off tl.net team roster and the most current kespa
Imo
Toss is a stable race isn't basied on how well you do early on to how the game will end always Zerg race i've heard to be refered as the snowball race due to pros careers and the game play of zerg you do well you do better you do bad it usually just gets worse Terran i find a race of intreuge alot of people like it so the spend alot of hours perfecting it
does these numbers mean anything yes and no all parts of sc races are hard to play as skill increases it seems to be harder and harder just because all builds and match ups dont play the same for all of you doesn't make that one any harder then the rest.
So people useing logic determine on how much required micro is needed
toss is the lest less units so many see it as easy you dont really go overwhlemed easly
terran is a high micro due to alot of range units you need to keep huddeled close and
zerg is a masser race where your controling alot of units and you do have to use some micro cant mindlessly win.
Really i have my opinion you have yours the only way imma gonna type clearly is if my grade in school depended on it Speech is more powerful then writing for the masses imo
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what the fuck are you talkin about? all I asked you to do was explain
On May 15 2008 09:07 IzzyCraft wrote:
Just count the number of toss compaired to terran and zerg in the TSL and you'll get your answer
and use some COMMAS, QUESTION MARKS, AND PERIODS. -> , ? .
edit- I don't get what you are trying to say with that data, either.
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On May 15 2008 09:35 IzzyCraft wrote:
Really i have my opinion you have yours the only way imma gonna type clearly is if my grade in school depended on it Speech is more powerful then writing for the masses imo
HAHA oh my
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Zerg/Protoss
:o I find terran macro the easiest, and my micro is bad with all races so it doesnt really matter. Probably Terran or Zerg if I was a little better
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On May 15 2008 09:40 OneOther wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2008 09:35 IzzyCraft wrote:
Really i have my opinion you have yours the only way imma gonna type clearly is if my grade in school depended on it Speech is more powerful then writing for the masses imo HAHA oh my some grammar is poweful too so you don't sound like a fucking retard
I hate to jump in with this, but complaining about spelling and grammar is plain stupid on the internet. With all the anonymity, you don't know who you are talking to or how educated they are. Not to mention, instant messaging has literally raped language, so who gives a shit?
Edit: how ironic that one of my sentences made completely no sense.
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On May 15 2008 09:48 ChaosKnight wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2008 09:40 OneOther wrote:On May 15 2008 09:35 IzzyCraft wrote:
Really i have my opinion you have yours the only way imma gonna type clearly is if my grade in school depended on it Speech is more powerful then writing for the masses imo HAHA oh my some grammar is poweful too so you don't sound like a fucking retard I hate to jump in with this, but complaining about spelling and grammar is plain stupid on the internet. With all the anonymity, you don't know who you are talking to or what how educated they are. Not to mention, instant messaging has literally raped language, so who gives a shit?
I know I never usually get up on that but it's much easier to understand what he's saying if he uses question marks/commas. I don't really care unless it actually bothers the reading..
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I'd agree that at a pro level Zerg
but at any other level Terran.
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On May 15 2008 09:40 OneOther wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2008 09:35 IzzyCraft wrote:
Really i have my opinion you have yours the only way imma gonna type clearly is if my grade in school depended on it Speech is more powerful then writing for the masses imo HAHA oh my some grammar is poweful too so you don't sound like a fucking retard
your race is for noobs
get over it
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