EPTIf you think P is easy, then you are obviously playing the wrong people(probably noobs)
When you play P with the people around the same level, P is pretty damn hard.
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clazziquai
6685 Posts
If you think P is easy, then you are obviously playing the wrong people(probably noobs) When you play P with the people around the same level, P is pretty damn hard. | ||
OneOther
United States10774 Posts
On May 15 2008 10:33 IzzyCraft wrote: Why don’t you SHUT THE FUCK UP. Two things: One; don’t preach about punctuations when you use them pathetically hyphen it’s called a fucking semicolon but in that case a common what the hell are you tiring to connect. A single hyphen is only used to join two words into one. You should have ued a double hyphen, double hyphens basically work the same as colons... they’re all commas. Two; when using the F-word, correct and widely accepted use of a hyphen, you use capitals to deliver the fact you mean it you’re not saying shut the fuck up under your breath or in casual conversation. You’re clearly abrasive and should type according. I didn't mean to preach. I just wanted you to use commas because it would make reading easier for me, like I said. Please do use commas from now on if you don't mind. I am not going to even bother with your second point. All I know is you have very bad understanding of this game and you have no idea what you are talking about. Therefore, you should shut the fuck up and stop posting. edit- pretty funny how you talk about grammar when you write like this: "Zerg at most you command most although zerg has a few heavy hitters in greater spire tech and ultra tech most of its units die quickly and so macro is in emphasis and because they die quickly you need to deliver them effectively that requires micro to spread out a lot of units and heavy amounts of macro to keep a stream of units to effectively attack as zerg. Zerg is a race about now they make a lot of air units you install pop scourges....." | ||
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0xDEADBEEF
Germany1235 Posts
Above that (Korean pro level): Zerg (which is why there are only a handful *really* good Zergs - currently only one: Jaedong. All the others are not consistent enough. KeSPA top 30 also usually has fewer Zergs than Terrans or Protoss. Although one Zerg might be at #1 or #2, there's still not many in the top 30) Protoss of course is always the easiest. We have TONS of them, and they're also getting very strong in Korea right now (after Bisu I'd say). Which is also why I have absolutely zero respect for bad-mannered or arrogant Protoss players. Such scum.  | ||
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TeNken.1
United States226 Posts
Protoss: 5/10 Zerg: 8/10 Terran: 10/10 I'm not basing my opinion on tactics or strategy or anything like that - just judging by raw skill it takes to play a race. As said before, protoss units are more resilient (and there's less of them), so there is less overall multitasking required. Zerg units can be replaced easier than the other two races, but I believe attack timing is much more critical and thus more difficult to play zerg. Terran units are perhaps the most fragile (and require the most attention), and adding the fact that often times you can't simply "A, move" a terran army and must instead make more gradual and calculated attacks, I think terran is the most difficult to play. Taking APM into consideration, I feel as a protoss you can play at a relatively high level with 130-150 APM - whereas a zerg or terran requires 200+ APM. I'll admit that I'm a terran user which may account for my bias against protoss, but that's my two cents. | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On May 15 2008 10:33 Seraphim wrote: fusionsdf, maybe you didn't play easy opponents, you'd realize that your so-called theories would be retarded its not my fault tanks only do like 1/4 dmg to probes wtf is up with that? also protoss macro is just like 1z2z3d4d5h | ||
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GeneralStan
United States4789 Posts
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
On May 15 2008 10:45 fusionsdf wrote: its not my fault tanks only do like 1/4 dmg to probes wtf is up with that? also protoss macro is just like 1z2z3d4d5h are you serious or did my sarcasm radar break | ||
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Darkmole
United States900 Posts
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IzzyCraft
United States4487 Posts
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Nitrogen
United States5345 Posts
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
Okay enough of the grammar stuff. You have ZERO understanding of this game whatsoever so you should just shut it either way. | ||
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triangle
United States3803 Posts
I can't macro and use all the terran commands at the same time (stims, seige mode, etc.) Protoss seems to require the lowest apm which = good thing (not necessarily easy, but easiest for me) | ||
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Seraphim
United States4467 Posts
OneOther told you to use punctuations because we can't understand a goddamn thing you're saying. It actually looks like a piece of elephant shit just came alive and started typing. I'm actually getting frustrated just reading the utter shit that you're spewing out. First, almost none of it makes sense, and the shit that actually makes sense is completely wrong. Maybe if you knew what you were talking about, it wouldn't make my head hurt so much. Fuck. | ||
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Seraphim
United States4467 Posts
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Seraphim
United States4467 Posts
Seriously, fuck off | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
why do all the protoss users suffer from pms? | ||
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Seraphim
United States4467 Posts
On May 15 2008 10:45 fusionsdf wrote: its not my fault tanks only do like 1/4 dmg to probes wtf is up with that? What the hell? | ||
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Seraphim
United States4467 Posts
I don't understand how anyone can be this ignorant. Get to B+ with "simple protoss macro" and then you can talk. But that won't ever happen, so just shut up because you have no idea what you're talking about at all. | ||
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Shauni
4077 Posts
On May 15 2008 08:48 phase wrote: T PoV: Your exp is earlier than protoss, because protoss went some kind of tech build and harasses you. Your timing push is delayed and protoss flanks you or shuttles your push. T PoV: The Protoss was smart and ran a zealot in first to defuse mines. You a) lose right there to DT rush. b) counter with vulture harass, but Protoss was smart and put a DT on ramp, so you also lose to the DT rush. T PoV: The turret at the top of your CC doesn't reach the shuttle below your CC, you lose ~1 tank, 4 marines, 6-7scvs and mining time, and timing. You a) lose right there to a goon counter at your nat b) lose when you normally do your timing push because P bought some time with the reaver for his 3rd to get up No. lol. A minimal macro mistake, even something like forgetting a supply depot WILL lose you the game in TvP. No, harass + flank + expo. If midgame terran had higher supply than you, then he must be at a higher skill level than you. TvP is one of the LEAST forgiving matchups. If a P ever catches your army mobile, you'll lose to an army half your size. I mean, watch Nony vs. Artosis on the side if you don't believe me. Artosis had it in the bag, but lategame he constantly lost his army to half his army size over and over again. I agree with you on most points. I didn't say TvP was easier than PvT, just that people make up Protoss to be a lot less complex race than it really is. Maybe it's easier to use as a total noob since zealots > marines and probably zerglings unmicroed. But at a respectable level the P race is just as difficult as any of the other races. But I actually picked Z in the poll since the larva management macro part is pretty fucking complex, and in battles you always have to regroup your armies to flank your opponent to have a chance to win, both in ZvP and ZvT. Being a mastermind in tactical engagements is a requirement to improve with Zerg. My weak Zerg was the reason I switched from random to Protoss. Not saying it's generally harder to play, but it wasn't fit for me. And I switched to Protoss because it was considered the weakest race and I wanted to prove people wrong (This was 2003 or 2004). Unfortunately... the tides seems to have turned. | ||
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IzzyCraft
United States4487 Posts
On May 15 2008 10:56 Seraphim wrote: Izzy - you are fucking retarded. OneOther told you to use punctuations because we can't understand a goddamn thing you're saying. It actually looks like a piece of elephant shit just came alive and started typing. I'm actually getting frustrated just reading the utter shit that you're spewing out. First, almost none of it makes sense, and the shit that actually makes sense is completely wrong. Maybe if you knew what you were talking about, it wouldn't make my head hurt so much. Fuck. He and I stole enough of this threads space. I used a pm for him about this but his responses where nothing more than childish remarks. I explained expression of thought and idea doesn’t need to be understood just expressed for one to feel good about something. As long as I understood what I put its all I don’t care about if you don’t like reading what I posted, if you don’t like it don’t read it. I know restraint so please don’t post anything more about me and him I would again put this in a pm but this is for other people more interested in this more than the threads original goal. | ||
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