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clazziquai
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
6685 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-15 01:35:52
May 15 2008 01:35 GMT
#141
Honestly, people who bash on P are idiots

If you think P is easy, then you are obviously playing the wrong people(probably noobs)

When you play P with the people around the same level, P is pretty damn hard.
#1 Sea.Really Fan / #1 Nesh Fan / Terran Forever~
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-15 01:41:38
May 15 2008 01:35 GMT
#142
On May 15 2008 10:33 IzzyCraft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2008 10:21 OneOther wrote:
How shit works? Shut the fuck up - you don't understand this game at all. I can clearly tell from your little theories.



Why don’t you SHUT THE FUCK UP.

Two things:

One; don’t preach about punctuations when you use them pathetically hyphen it’s called a fucking semicolon but in that case a common what the hell are you tiring to connect. A single hyphen is only used to join two words into one. You should have ued a double hyphen, double hyphens basically work the same as colons... they’re all commas.

Two; when using the F-word, correct and widely accepted use of a hyphen, you use capitals to deliver the fact you mean it you’re not saying shut the fuck up under your breath or in casual conversation. You’re clearly abrasive and should type according.


I didn't mean to preach. I just wanted you to use commas because it would make reading easier for me, like I said. Please do use commas from now on if you don't mind.
I am not going to even bother with your second point. All I know is you have very bad understanding of this game and you have no idea what you are talking about. Therefore, you should shut the fuck up and stop posting.

edit- pretty funny how you talk about grammar when you write like this:

"Zerg at most you command most although zerg has a few heavy hitters in greater spire tech and ultra tech most of its units die quickly and so macro is in emphasis and because they die quickly you need to deliver them effectively that requires micro to spread out a lot of units and heavy amounts of macro to keep a stream of units to effectively attack as zerg. Zerg is a race about now they make a lot of air units you install pop scourges....."


0xDEADBEEF
Profile Joined September 2007
Germany1235 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-15 01:42:07
May 15 2008 01:39 GMT
#143
Noob level up to foreigner pro level: Terran (which is why we have so few good Terrans)

Above that (Korean pro level): Zerg (which is why there are only a handful *really* good Zergs - currently only one: Jaedong. All the others are not consistent enough. KeSPA top 30 also usually has fewer Zergs than Terrans or Protoss. Although one Zerg might be at #1 or #2, there's still not many in the top 30)

Protoss of course is always the easiest. We have TONS of them, and they're also getting very strong in Korea right now (after Bisu I'd say). Which is also why I have absolutely zero respect for bad-mannered or arrogant Protoss players. Such scum.
TeNken.1
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States226 Posts
May 15 2008 01:44 GMT
#144
Skill required to play well (1-10, 10 being hardest)

Protoss: 5/10
Zerg: 8/10
Terran: 10/10

I'm not basing my opinion on tactics or strategy or anything like that - just judging by raw skill it takes to play a race. As said before, protoss units are more resilient (and there's less of them), so there is less overall multitasking required. Zerg units can be replaced easier than the other two races, but I believe attack timing is much more critical and thus more difficult to play zerg. Terran units are perhaps the most fragile (and require the most attention), and adding the fact that often times you can't simply "A, move" a terran army and must instead make more gradual and calculated attacks, I think terran is the most difficult to play.

Taking APM into consideration, I feel as a protoss you can play at a relatively high level with 130-150 APM - whereas a zerg or terran requires 200+ APM.

I'll admit that I'm a terran user which may account for my bias against protoss, but that's my two cents.
"The G-Don is the official family hitman."
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-15 01:46:22
May 15 2008 01:45 GMT
#145
On May 15 2008 10:33 Seraphim wrote:
fusionsdf, maybe you didn't play easy opponents, you'd realize that your so-called theories would be retarded


its not my fault tanks only do like 1/4 dmg to probes

wtf is up with that?

also

protoss macro is just like 1z2z3d4d5h

SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
GeneralStan
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States4789 Posts
May 15 2008 01:46 GMT
#146
PvZ is fucking impossible
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
May 15 2008 01:47 GMT
#147
On May 15 2008 10:45 fusionsdf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2008 10:33 Seraphim wrote:
fusionsdf, maybe you didn't play easy opponents, you'd realize that your so-called theories would be retarded


its not my fault tanks only do like 1/4 dmg to probes

wtf is up with that?

also

protoss macro is just like 1z2z3d4d5h



are you serious or did my sarcasm radar break
Darkmole
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States900 Posts
May 15 2008 01:47 GMT
#148
Hows Protoss 5/10?
IzzyCraft
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4487 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-15 01:50:36
May 15 2008 01:50 GMT
#149
-edit- nvm imma just pm him the responces
I have ass for brains so,
even when I shit I'm droping knowledge.
Nitrogen
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States5345 Posts
May 15 2008 01:51 GMT
#150
i think one of the reasons why zerg isn't the hardest is that you can not macro for a little while and not pay the price as much as a toss or terran, the larva just builds up. true, it does cap at 3, but that's still better than having a production building doing nothing.
UNFUCK YOURSELF
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-15 01:53:20
May 15 2008 01:52 GMT
#151
740?710? OH MY THAT'S AMAZINGGGG, not.

Okay enough of the grammar stuff. You have ZERO understanding of this game whatsoever so you should just shut it either way.
triangle
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3803 Posts
May 15 2008 01:53 GMT
#152
Definitely Terran.

I can't macro and use all the terran commands at the same time (stims, seige mode, etc.)

Protoss seems to require the lowest apm which = good thing (not necessarily easy, but easiest for me)
Also known as waterfall / w4terfall
Seraphim
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States4467 Posts
May 15 2008 01:56 GMT
#153
Izzy - you are fucking retarded.

OneOther told you to use punctuations because we can't understand a goddamn thing you're saying. It actually looks like a piece of elephant shit just came alive and started typing. I'm actually getting frustrated just reading the utter shit that you're spewing out. First, almost none of it makes sense, and the shit that actually makes sense is completely wrong. Maybe if you knew what you were talking about, it wouldn't make my head hurt so much.

Fuck.
Hermes | Bisu[Shield] Fighting~!
Seraphim
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States4467 Posts
May 15 2008 01:57 GMT
#154
1v1 Izzy + Oneother Grudge match bo7 gogogo
Hermes | Bisu[Shield] Fighting~!
Seraphim
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States4467 Posts
May 15 2008 01:59 GMT
#155
fusion, you philosophy works well against opponents such as Sargas Tribe and Delta Squadron.

Seriously, fuck off
Hermes | Bisu[Shield] Fighting~!
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
May 15 2008 02:00 GMT
#156


why do all the protoss users suffer from pms?
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
Seraphim
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States4467 Posts
May 15 2008 02:00 GMT
#157
On May 15 2008 10:45 fusionsdf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2008 10:33 Seraphim wrote:
fusionsdf, maybe you didn't play easy opponents, you'd realize that your so-called theories would be retarded


its not my fault tanks only do like 1/4 dmg to probes

wtf is up with that?


What the hell?
Hermes | Bisu[Shield] Fighting~!
Seraphim
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States4467 Posts
May 15 2008 02:04 GMT
#158
First of all, get that archon fucking off your profile right now. Why the hell do you have Protoss as your icon?

I don't understand how anyone can be this ignorant. Get to B+ with "simple protoss macro" and then you can talk. But that won't ever happen, so just shut up because you have no idea what you're talking about at all.
Hermes | Bisu[Shield] Fighting~!
Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
May 15 2008 02:04 GMT
#159
On May 15 2008 08:48 phase wrote:
Show nested quote +
Your exp is later than the terrans. Dies to a timing push.

T PoV: Your exp is earlier than protoss, because protoss went some kind of tech build and harasses you. Your timing push is delayed and protoss flanks you or shuttles your push.

Show nested quote +
Your dts run into mines. Dies to vulture harass.

T PoV: The Protoss was smart and ran a zealot in first to defuse mines. You
a) lose right there to DT rush.
b) counter with vulture harass, but Protoss was smart and put a DT on ramp, so you also lose to the DT rush.

Show nested quote +
Your reaver dies to a turret. Dies to an early push.

T PoV: The turret at the top of your CC doesn't reach the shuttle below your CC, you lose ~1 tank, 4 marines, 6-7scvs and mining time, and timing. You
a) lose right there to a goon counter at your nat
b) lose when you normally do your timing push because P bought some time with the reaver for his 3rd to get up

Show nested quote +
All those things are inevitable. At all other matchups except maybe in ZvZ you can lose a couple of units midgame and still have a chance to win, that's not even remotely possible in PvT.

No. lol.

Show nested quote +
A minimal macro mistake, even something like forgetting a pylon WILL lose you the game in PvT.

A minimal macro mistake, even something like forgetting a supply depot WILL lose you the game in TvP.

Show nested quote +
It's almost impossible to get back from a economical disadvatage vs a stable terran who knows when to push.

No, harass + flank + expo.

Show nested quote +
I don't think I've ever won a game against a terran relatively close to my skill level who got higher supply than me midgame.

If midgame terran had higher supply than you, then he must be at a higher skill level than you.

TvP is one of the LEAST forgiving matchups. If a P ever catches your army mobile, you'll lose to an army half your size. I mean, watch Nony vs. Artosis on the side if you don't believe me. Artosis had it in the bag, but lategame he constantly lost his army to half his army size over and over again.


I agree with you on most points. I didn't say TvP was easier than PvT, just that people make up Protoss to be a lot less complex race than it really is. Maybe it's easier to use as a total noob since zealots > marines and probably zerglings unmicroed. But at a respectable level the P race is just as difficult as any of the other races.

But I actually picked Z in the poll since the larva management macro part is pretty fucking complex, and in battles you always have to regroup your armies to flank your opponent to have a chance to win, both in ZvP and ZvT. Being a mastermind in tactical engagements is a requirement to improve with Zerg. My weak Zerg was the reason I switched from random to Protoss. Not saying it's generally harder to play, but it wasn't fit for me. And I switched to Protoss because it was considered the weakest race and I wanted to prove people wrong (This was 2003 or 2004). Unfortunately... the tides seems to have turned.
I'm taking whatever coverage I can get, because frankly, I'm busy working on this million dollar deal at my job. Early retirement is a good thing brotha man. - MessengerASL
IzzyCraft
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4487 Posts
May 15 2008 02:04 GMT
#160
On May 15 2008 10:56 Seraphim wrote:
Izzy - you are fucking retarded.

OneOther told you to use punctuations because we can't understand a goddamn thing you're saying. It actually looks like a piece of elephant shit just came alive and started typing. I'm actually getting frustrated just reading the utter shit that you're spewing out. First, almost none of it makes sense, and the shit that actually makes sense is completely wrong. Maybe if you knew what you were talking about, it wouldn't make my head hurt so much.

Fuck.


He and I stole enough of this threads space.

I used a pm for him about this but his responses where nothing more than childish remarks. I explained expression of thought and idea doesn’t need to be understood just expressed for one to feel good about something. As long as I understood what I put its all I don’t care about if you don’t like reading what I posted, if you don’t like it don’t read it.

I know restraint so please don’t post anything more about me and him I would again put this in a pm but this is for other people more interested in this more than the threads original goal.
I have ass for brains so,
even when I shit I'm droping knowledge.
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