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clazziquai
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
6685 Posts
May 15 2008 02:36 GMT
#181
PM from fusiondf


I dont play iccup but if I did Im sure I would b- toss


anyone find this funny?
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fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
May 15 2008 02:38 GMT
#182
well

ok

more like c+

I mostly play against the computer, but Im pretty confident since I almost never lose (like 20% of the time)
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
Wizard
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Poland5055 Posts
May 15 2008 02:39 GMT
#183
On May 15 2008 11:38 fusionsdf wrote:
well

ok

more like c+

I mostly play against the computer, but Im pretty confident since I almost never lose (like 20% of the time)

is this serious?
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clazziquai
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
6685 Posts
May 15 2008 02:40 GMT
#184
On May 15 2008 11:39 Wizard wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2008 11:38 fusionsdf wrote:
well

ok

more like c+

I mostly play against the computer, but Im pretty confident since I almost never lose (like 20% of the time)

is this serious?


sarcasm probably
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ahole-surprise
Profile Joined August 2007
United States813 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-15 02:42:29
May 15 2008 02:40 GMT
#185
I think fusion is actually a protoss supporter and he acts like an idiot to undermine the argument for how easy protoss is.
Pulp can move, baby!
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
May 15 2008 02:53 GMT
#186
I'm nowhere near that altruistic
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
Folca
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
2235 Posts
May 15 2008 03:09 GMT
#187
zerg
larva macro too h@rd
Dea : one time when he was playing vs the comps he asked me "how do I make that flying unit that makes the other stuff invisible" and I reply "ur playing terran zomg"
TeNken.1
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States226 Posts
May 15 2008 03:42 GMT
#188
On May 15 2008 10:47 Darkmole wrote:
Hows Protoss 5/10?


I feel that learning to play terran is twice as hard as learning to play as protoss. Hence 5/10.

And for the record, I'm not bashing protoss, just giving an opinion based on personal experience.
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Hypnosis
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States2061 Posts
May 15 2008 03:46 GMT
#189
Listen up newbs: all 3 are the hardest..

but to choose one it has to be zerg for this simple reason: The army control is too critical for it to be an easier race. With Terran you can make a ball and attack. With toss you have to slightly flank and your fine. With zerg if you dont flank, OR your muta control sucks, you are fucked. If you dont do really good flanks you lose.... thats the bottom line because all three race's macro is about the same.
Science without religion is lame, Religion without science is blind
ChaosKnight
Profile Joined April 2007
United States819 Posts
May 15 2008 03:46 GMT
#190
I voted Terran.

As for the whole "Protoss debate," here's how I see it. Protoss macro is similar to Terran macro, both of which are straight forward. However, Terran players need to have a shit load of micro, differentiating them from the other races.

On the flip side, Protoss micro is similar to Zerg micro, both of which are not very demanding, with only one or two spell casters and not much besides that. However, Zerg macro is far more intense.

In other words, Protoss players take the "easiest" half of both Terran and Zerg styles; in a sense, they have the best of both worlds. This is why they are the easiest--note that easiest does not mean they are an easy race to master by any means. It just simply takes far more effort to master a race such as Zerg or Terran, compared to that of Protoss.
mahnini
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States6862 Posts
May 15 2008 03:51 GMT
#191
On May 15 2008 12:46 Hypnosis wrote:
Listen up newbs: all 3 are the hardest..

but to choose one it has to be zerg for this simple reason: The army control is too critical for it to be an easier race. With Terran you can make a ball and attack. With toss you have to slightly flank and your fine. With zerg if you dont flank, OR your muta control sucks, you are fucked. If you dont do really good flanks you lose.... thats the bottom line because all three race's macro is about the same.

I lol'd
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Cloud
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sexico5880 Posts
May 15 2008 03:52 GMT
#192
Well judging from all the C+ guys, 90% are toss, 10% are zerg and the terrans are nonexistant.

Although you encounter some 45-1 B- terrans which are just fucking lame.
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ChaosKnight
Profile Joined April 2007
United States819 Posts
May 15 2008 03:56 GMT
#193
In addition to my earlier post, I would also like to say that this type of poll is confounded waist-deep in shitty bias. Naturally, a person who votes in a poll like this will favor their own race, after all, who wants to play a race that is seen as "easy to master?"
IzzyCraft
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4487 Posts
May 15 2008 04:11 GMT
#194
On May 15 2008 08:59 IzzyCraft wrote:
This is how i like to think of toss players QQMOAR about shit being hard.

SC is a hard game to play when the level increases don't play pvz agnist jaedong all day and say fucking pvz is imba impossible fucking hardest shit ever. People play to their strenghts PvZ not your strongest match up dont call it hard its just hard for you. Toss is unforgiving in macro games because it cost more for you to replace shit doesn't make it hard just means you need more macro and your not keeping up.

"xyz" (4:56:49 PM): "whats that, you have basic macro skills? well fuck then welcome to team protoss."
Moi (4:57:06 PM): pretty much
"xyz" (4:57:18 PM): if i were a protoss player
"xyz" (4:57:21 PM): i'd be in the Ro16 TSL
"xyz" (4:57:22 PM): lol

Give the SC game to anyone new tell us which race he will choose to play will it be toss??

inginging*


Frankly i find it severely funny that i was being flame from my post being hard to understand when this one is so obvious a bash agnist toss and no one cared
I have ass for brains so,
even when I shit I'm droping knowledge.
Superiorwolf
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States5509 Posts
May 15 2008 04:14 GMT
#195
On May 15 2008 12:51 mahnini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2008 12:46 Hypnosis wrote:
Listen up newbs: all 3 are the hardest..

but to choose one it has to be zerg for this simple reason: The army control is too critical for it to be an easier race. With Terran you can make a ball and attack. With toss you have to slightly flank and your fine. With zerg if you dont flank, OR your muta control sucks, you are fucked. If you dont do really good flanks you lose.... thats the bottom line because all three race's macro is about the same.

I lol'd

Also... with terran you can make a ball and attack? For all 3 matchups if you do that you're screwed. Lurkers will pwn u, toss flank will pwn u (u gotta micro those siege and vults wowww?) and enemy terran will also pwn u.
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caigo
Profile Joined May 2008
United States3 Posts
May 15 2008 04:31 GMT
#196
On May 15 2008 11:00 fusionsdf wrote:


why do all the protoss users suffer from pms?

On May 15 2008 09:50 fusionsdf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2008 09:40 OneOther wrote:
On May 15 2008 09:35 IzzyCraft wrote:
Really i have my opinion you have yours the only way imma gonna type clearly is if my grade in school depended on it Speech is more powerful then writing for the masses imo


HAHA oh my
some grammar is poweful too so you don't sound like a fucking retard


your race is for noobs

get over it



Hmm, maybe all Protoss users "suffer from pms" because you are saying that: at any given level, a Protoss player is less skilled than a Zerg/Terran player. You are directly insulting all Protoss players, and you expect to not get flamed?



On May 15 2008 10:44 TeNken.1 wrote:
As said before, protoss units are more resilient (and there's less of them), so there is less overall multitasking required


While it is true that a Protoss player generally has less units to manage, I believe they have to manage them more carefully than a Zerg/Terran player; because toss units are worth so much more, losing one can put you behind pretty far (Losing a zealot to a dumb mistake will have a much larger effect on a game than losing a zergling to a similar mistake).



On May 15 2008 10:45 fusionsdf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2008 10:33 Seraphim wrote:
fusionsdf, maybe you didn't play easy opponents, you'd realize that your so-called theories would be retarded


its not my fault tanks only do like 1/4 dmg to probes

wtf is up with that?

also

protoss macro is just like 1z2z3d4d5h


Terran macro is just like 1v2v3v4t5t
I suck with Terran and Zerg (I suck at all races actually, >.> ), but I can still say that Protoss is not ezmode.


Anyway... I voted Zerg because larva macro is serious business >.>
Darkmole
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States900 Posts
May 15 2008 04:36 GMT
#197
On May 15 2008 11:36 clazziquai wrote:
PM from fusiondf
Show nested quote +


I dont play iccup but if I did Im sure I would b- toss


anyone find this funny?


lol yea i find that funny cuz i remember beating him ^^
Seraphim
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States4467 Posts
May 15 2008 04:39 GMT
#198
looooool
Hermes | Bisu[Shield] Fighting~!
ChaosKnight
Profile Joined April 2007
United States819 Posts
May 15 2008 04:44 GMT
#199
On May 15 2008 13:14 Superiorwolf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2008 12:51 mahnini wrote:
On May 15 2008 12:46 Hypnosis wrote:
Listen up newbs: all 3 are the hardest..

but to choose one it has to be zerg for this simple reason: The army control is too critical for it to be an easier race. With Terran you can make a ball and attack. With toss you have to slightly flank and your fine. With zerg if you dont flank, OR your muta control sucks, you are fucked. If you dont do really good flanks you lose.... thats the bottom line because all three race's macro is about the same.

I lol'd

Also... with terran you can make a ball and attack? For all 3 matchups if you do that you're screwed. Lurkers will pwn u, toss flank will pwn u (u gotta micro those siege and vults wowww?) and enemy terran will also pwn u.

Well, your Terran has it easy. Shadow rush = gg no re kthxbai.

On May 15 2008 13:31 caigo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2008 10:45 fusionsdf wrote:
On May 15 2008 10:33 Seraphim wrote:
fusionsdf, maybe you didn't play easy opponents, you'd realize that your so-called theories would be retarded


its not my fault tanks only do like 1/4 dmg to probes

wtf is up with that?

also

protoss macro is just like 1z2z3d4d5h


Terran macro is just like 1v2v3v4t5t
I suck with Terran and Zerg (I suck at all races actually, >.> ), but I can still say that Protoss is not ezmode.

Let's not get stray from the actual discussion. The most proliferate argument is not that Protoss is an easy race, but rather, the easiest to master. Just because a race is easy to master doesn't mean that anyone can do it: it still takes ample skill and dedication. However, let's make a scenario:

3 new players start playing StarCraft, each playing a single race. All 3 players have the exact same skill throughout, and all of them play for the exact same amount of time. Similarly, they all progress in skill level at the same rate. No one player is stronger than the other (this is how a tier list works, such as in a fighting game).

As skill and time increases, the Protoss player will get reasonably more powerful than the Terran and Zerg players, and chances are, this will stay the same for a while. As skill and time increase far more drastically, the Terran and Zerg players start to finally pull ahead.

To put it simply, each race can always be improved upon. You can never perfect your style or skill at a race, as there is always an extra expansion you could make or dedicate more time to macro or micro, or perhaps, build up more APM. However, as players attempt to get closer to this "perfection," results tend to come much faster for Protosses when compared to Terrans or Zergs (however, in the long run, Protoss players tend to "max out" sooner). Protoss is typically the less demanding race as I noted in a previous post, and that is why I believe this to be true.

Once again, no race is "easy to master."
masami.sc
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States445 Posts
May 15 2008 04:52 GMT
#200
Protoss at a high level is really hard to play with imo. At a lower level, protoss is probably easier to play with, though, just because it's a strong (hp wise) race. And also, making gateways is easy. 1 probe makes like... all the gateways. Terran has to pull mining scv's and make supplies, factories, etc.

Terran at a lower level is just frustrating to play. Cheese GALORE. I must get cheesed like 90% of the time. Whether its a zergling rush, dt drop, reaver, etc. I always seem to get cheesed EZ. And it blows. Getting cheesed too often raises my stress level. But anyway, terran at a higher level is quite rewarding, because that terran ball, oh boy. It's hard to stop.
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