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On April 05 2009 18:34 MachineHead wrote:
When's the last time a foreign Terran has won a foreign league? I've played most of these guys, and if these guys are on the same level as the top foreign zergs and toss players, I feel pity for us. Strarcraft is the most balanced RTS for a reason; there are good terran players, albeit most seem to be from Russia... but in terms of difficulty -- terrans hardly win anything at the foreign level. If you read the recent news post on gosugamers.net, Artosis was dead on -- with practice time being equal, the Terran will be at a disadvantage.
The only question is how big of a differential there is between terran and zerg in terms of difficulty. It's not a big deal, and I don't think anyone can put their finger on that exact difference, thus these threads are pointless.
When's the last time you saw a foreign zerg in Korea?
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assuming, early - midgame and nothing fancy like drops etc.
hatchery -> hotkey for workers and combat units and supplies
nexus, gateways -> 2 hotkeys for accessing workets and other combat units
cc, barracks, factory -> 3 hotkeys for workers and other combat units
dont flame right away, just stating something
i play random btw
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On April 06 2009 01:10 d(O.o)a wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2009 18:34 MachineHead wrote:
When's the last time a foreign Terran has won a foreign league? I've played most of these guys, and if these guys are on the same level as the top foreign zergs and toss players, I feel pity for us. Strarcraft is the most balanced RTS for a reason; there are good terran players, albeit most seem to be from Russia... but in terms of difficulty -- terrans hardly win anything at the foreign level. If you read the recent news post on gosugamers.net, Artosis was dead on -- with practice time being equal, the Terran will be at a disadvantage.
The only question is how big of a differential there is between terran and zerg in terms of difficulty. It's not a big deal, and I don't think anyone can put their finger on that exact difference, thus these threads are pointless. When's the last time you saw a foreign zerg in Korea?
Is IdrA honestly better than the top foreign Zergs like Mondragon or F91?
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On April 05 2009 21:53 Harem wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2009 21:44 MasterReY wrote:
hardest is clearly protoss.....you have to place ur storms well and much more
while zerg for example just need to 1a2a3a
and terran just needs to press o for siege or t for stim without clicking a spot on the floor like with storm You're a few days late for April Fools.
LOL
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Terran requires the most apm, considering you have to handle a sizable army, and remember to be constantly producing and building.
With Zerg you have to be mindful of larva and timings, and you have to balance your drone count really well, which you dont need to do as terran.
I voted terran because its so hard to manage an army during fights (especially tvz) with my tiny 130 apm.
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On April 06 2009 00:19 G5 wrote:
P obv
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Zerg:
Macro buildings aren't near each other
Larva Management
Dodging storms
Securing 3rd gas
Lots of gas needed
Less of a "robot" style play
Drones are the weakest workers (SCVs have more hp, probes have faster regeneration)
Terran:
Micro rines to kill lurkers
Medics are retarded
Good tank/mine placement
More of a "robot" style play (Following 1 BO until midgame can work up to C level)
Must have a successful 1st push
Protoss:
Reaver Micro
Goons melt to tanks
Defending Terran Pushes
Good storm placement
Must have good macro
W/e you think is the hardest to learn. People say that Protoss is easiest because all of the things that are hard for protoss are things people are better at. SC is now at a macro era, and who doesn't like 15 gates pumping goons, lots, and hts?
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at intermediate skill level idk i'd say terran is hardest.. at pro level its zerg.. just my opiniion
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I think it's all balanced on the highest level depending on the maps but goddamn ZvT and ZvP always look completely impossible to me when they go to the late game.
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On April 06 2009 01:10 d(O.o)a wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2009 18:34 MachineHead wrote:
When's the last time a foreign Terran has won a foreign league? I've played most of these guys, and if these guys are on the same level as the top foreign zergs and toss players, I feel pity for us. Strarcraft is the most balanced RTS for a reason; there are good terran players, albeit most seem to be from Russia... but in terms of difficulty -- terrans hardly win anything at the foreign level. If you read the recent news post on gosugamers.net, Artosis was dead on -- with practice time being equal, the Terran will be at a disadvantage.
The only question is how big of a differential there is between terran and zerg in terms of difficulty. It's not a big deal, and I don't think anyone can put their finger on that exact difference, thus these threads are pointless. When's the last time you saw a foreign zerg in Korea?
When was the last time any foreigners did anything in Korea.
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I'd say terran is hardest on a foreign level of play.
Simply because PvT is quite easy on this level and most players suck at TvT.
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Probes dont regenerate faster than drones, at a significant rate anyway, whoever hits first in a drone vs probe battle wins.
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On April 05 2009 18:34 MachineHead wrote:
When's the last time a foreign Terran has won a foreign league? I've played most of these guys, and if these guys are on the same level as the top foreign zergs and toss players, I feel pity for us. Strarcraft is the most balanced RTS for a reason; there are good terran players, albeit most seem to be from Russia... but in terms of difficulty -- terrans hardly win anything at the foreign level. If you read the recent news post on gosugamers.net, Artosis was dead on -- with practice time being equal, the Terran will be at a disadvantage.
The only question is how big of a differential there is between terran and zerg in terms of difficulty. It's not a big deal, and I don't think anyone can put their finger on that exact difference, thus these threads are pointless. Are you actually saying Artosis is credible on race balance?
He whines about Terran being hard.
That's like his job.
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i'm pretty sure terran is hardest at the intermediate level, but the hardest at pro level is probably zerg. Simply because Muta Micro is completely useless nowadays (well, almost), and you need to have a large amount of skill with your lurker placements, or else they'll get sniped. Its hard to keep a defiler alive for longer than the time it takes to cast a DS, and most players are great at fending off something cheesy like a 4 or 5 pool.
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Actually at pro-gaming level are races are balanced.
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just change this thread's title to "which race do you play?"
much more accurate
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D.T. Drop. yeah, really hard.[/QUOTE]
Why do terrans whine so much about dt drop?
Fend it of and you can steamroll toss with ease...
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Yeah because everyone knows that protoss goes into pause mode after DT drop...
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On April 05 2009 20:13 Tintti wrote:
If Protoss is not that hard to master than T or Z then everyone would play P and win easily.
Well, that's a no-brainer then. I'll definietly gonna play protoss and get easier wins! But, you know, somehow we don't see protoss winning every single game. Starcraft is extremely balanced and I think every race has an equal number of players.
Are you guys saying that intermediate players that play T or Z are somehow better than the P players of the corresponding difficulty level?
This argument makes no sense. Not everyone likes to take the easiest way, because it's not as rewarding. Why do people play hard games? Why play starcraft instead of an easier RTS where you don't have to macro? People like a challenge. Its more satisfying to get my zerg up to D+ level than my protoss.
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On April 06 2009 05:06 inertinept wrote:
just change this thread's title to "which race do you play?"
much more accurate
You nailed it.
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On April 06 2009 00:21 Skeptic wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2009 23:50 stack wrote:
z by a longshot
i dont get why t is even considered.
esp if you look at tvz mu and how even the pros say its in favor for terran What? Try reading the topic, based on votes you'll find more than half of the people here believe terran should not only be considered but that terran is the hardest race. I can't really understand the rest of what you're trying to say.
? Learn to take your own advice...I know that half the people here believe terran is the hardest race..that is why I felt compelled to post my opinion.
I mean try thinking for a sec; if terran was voted easiest would my fucking post be relevant to the topic? Think first.
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