EPTThe only question is how big of a differential there is between terran and zerg in terms of difficulty. It's not a big deal, and I don't think anyone can put their finger on that exact difference, thus these threads are pointless.
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MachineHead
United States151 Posts
The only question is how big of a differential there is between terran and zerg in terms of difficulty. It's not a big deal, and I don't think anyone can put their finger on that exact difference, thus these threads are pointless. | ||
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food
United States1951 Posts
On April 05 2009 18:34 MachineHead wrote: When's the last time a foreign Terran has won a foreign league? I've played most of these guys, and if these guys are on the same level as the top foreign zergs and toss players, I feel pity for us. Strarcraft is the most balanced RTS for a reason; there are good terran players, albeit most seem to be from Russia... but in terms of difficulty -- terrans hardly win anything at the foreign level. If you read the recent news post on gosugamers.net, Artosis was dead on -- with practice time being equal, the Terran will be at a disadvantage. The only question is how big of a differential there is between terran and zerg in terms of difficulty. It's not a big deal, and I don't think anyone can put their finger on that exact difference, thus these threads are pointless. you take artosis opinion on racial imbalance for granted? come on, even he doesnt believe everything he says on that matter LOL what guys have you played? and who are you then? brat_ok i believe won the TSL or got 2nd? he steamrolled through it. A2 used to win shitloads when he cared to play. Androide can beat anyone. Ex is a beast too. You remember how many chinese terrans are out there? Pheonix( i think thats his name), Super? These are top notch players and they do win A LOT. What about Idra? he just destroyed one of the best foreign zergs in humiliating fashion. FUCK, Strelok, Tarson, Raven. arerials is on the rise, theres many many GOOD terrans like nyoken, nesh, artosis himself( he might want to be in the upper category), sawyer etc i believe you were the one who stated how hard terran was, now you saying these threads cannot be solved and are pointless lol! | ||
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MachineHead
United States151 Posts
To reach the level of being good enough to win foreign events, a monkey could see that the climb to that level has been harder for Terran players. Your list looks like a list comprised of 90% fail... as they don't aid your point at all, assuming you were trying to make one. Idra couldn't win TSL. Idra couldn't win USA WCG. The list goes on. That is not a slight or a bash against Idra; I believe the underlying reason behind results like that is the same reason terran is winning this poll for "hardest race." My opinion is in the majority, and for good reason. Before even attempting a rebuttal, should prob try to examine why you are wrong. Because, personally, I don't care if you can't see the obvious. | ||
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food
United States1951 Posts
On April 05 2009 19:27 MachineHead wrote: I gave a few sentences saying it was obvious, then I regrettably (I guess) responded to others' comments. What is the point, exactly? I say terran is the hardest, you say... there are good terrans, so you no longer have a point. A pointless circle. It doesn't take much practice time to knock off most of the these terrans you name. Most people are able to agree that the races are balanced in terms of potential strength; most races, statistically, have a winning edge in a mu and a deficit in another, leaving the balanced mirror mu. To reach the level of being good enough to win foreign events, a monkey could see that the climb to that level has been harder for Terran players. Your list looks like a list comprised of 90% fail... as they don't aid your point at all, assuming you were trying to make one. Idra couldn't win TSL. Idra couldn't win USA WCG. The list goes on. That is not a slight or a bash against Idra; I believe the underlying reason behind results like that is the same reason terran is winning this poll for "hardest race." My opinion is in the majority, and for good reason. Before even attempting a rebuttal, should prob try to examine why you are wrong. Because, personally, I don't care if you can't see the obvious. SIR artosis qualified to wcg world finals from usa 2 or 3 times,. so did nyoken, so did yosh, so did froz, so did lastgosu. They all terrans, SIR doesnt take much time to knock top terrans out and you played all of them. LMAO shut the fuck up. /ninja edited | ||
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Manbear
Canada306 Posts
I'm not exactly sure i see the benefit in responding to his perfectly good counterpoint by insulting him and attempting to end the discussion on topic i voted for T :/ for reasons that have already been argued in this thread lol | ||
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Piy
Scotland3152 Posts
So I'd say T at an intermediate level and zerg once you start getting good. (P.S. Toss is harder than T at B+/A- :p) | ||
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Tintti
Finland46 Posts
Well, that's a no-brainer then. I'll definietly gonna play protoss and get easier wins! But, you know, somehow we don't see protoss winning every single game. Starcraft is extremely balanced and I think every race has an equal number of players. Are you guys saying that intermediate players that play T or Z are somehow better than the P players of the corresponding difficulty level? | ||
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Piy
Scotland3152 Posts
On April 05 2009 20:13 Tintti wrote: Are you guys saying that intermediate players that play T or Z are somehow better than the P players of the corresponding difficulty level? Yes | ||
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Tintti
Finland46 Posts
And this means that if these players swiched to P, they would kick some ass? :D | ||
Liquid`Ret
Netherlands4519 Posts
Terran so ez..... | ||
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Piy
Scotland3152 Posts
On April 05 2009 20:16 ret wrote: Zerg so hard..... Terran so ez..... you don't play TvP :p | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28778 Posts
terran harder than toss but way easier than zerg | ||
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MasterReY
Germany2708 Posts
while zerg for example just need to 1a2a3a and terran just needs to press o for siege or t for stim without clicking a spot on the floor like with storm | ||
Harem
United States11393 Posts
On April 05 2009 21:44 MasterReY wrote: hardest is clearly protoss.....you have to place ur storms well and much more while zerg for example just need to 1a2a3a and terran just needs to press o for siege or t for stim without clicking a spot on the floor like with storm You're a few days late for April Fools. | ||
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Skeptic
United States89 Posts
On April 05 2009 21:44 MasterReY wrote: hardest is clearly protoss.....you have to place ur storms well and much more while zerg for example just need to 1a2a3a and terran just needs to press o for siege or t for stim without clicking a spot on the floor like with storm The hardest isn't 'clearly' anything, it's all kind of cryptic and open to interpretation. Anyway, speaking for terran I could tell you that it's a lot harder than just 'pressing o for siege or t for stim' without even clicking a spot on the floor... because most of the time you're clicking several spots on the floor. Unit spread and placement is essential to a terran more so than a protoss IMO because what a protoss should be doing for the most part would be building his army so it can proceed to push as one great force, where a terran must be able to counter that army. Believe me, if a terran just clicked the move button and 'o' for siege to counter any army, the terran would be decimated without having killed hardly anything... | ||
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stack
Canada348 Posts
i dont get why t is even considered. esp if you look at tvz mu and how even the pros say its in favor for terran | ||
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G5
United States2921 Posts
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Skeptic
United States89 Posts
On April 05 2009 23:50 stack wrote: z by a longshot i dont get why t is even considered. esp if you look at tvz mu and how even the pros say its in favor for terran What? Try reading the topic, based on votes you'll find more than half of the people here believe terran should not only be considered but that terran is the hardest race. I can't really understand the rest of what you're trying to say. | ||
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sperY
Serbia444 Posts
Why do terrans whine so much about dt drop? Fend it of and you can steamroll toss with ease... | ||
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d(O.o)a
Canada5066 Posts
On February 09 2009 14:39 KsiretsA wrote: Then why do I see you respond to an argument that says Terran is more different in the matchups than Zerg with an argument that says Zerg is different in matchups? Oh wow what are you talking about? That is a perfect arguement for your post, you claimed that the race which has the most diverse builds based on matchups is terran and Dazed disagreed and said that zerg is the most effected by matchups. Oh and zerg is much harder, zerg is the only race where you can't bolster your economy and army at the same time because they both require larvae which are limited at any given point in time. | ||
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