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thislooksgreat1
Profile Joined January 2020
59 Posts
April 29 2020 14:57 GMT
#41
Wow, this would be fantastic!
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8505 Posts
April 29 2020 15:33 GMT
#42
On April 29 2020 23:55 art_of_turtle wrote:
lets send a BSL Team consisting of Bonyth, BSL-9 Bonyth, MustacheToss, BSL9TeamSucksWithoutBonyth, Gorynich


Don't forget MoustacheBonyth !
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
Xxio
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada5565 Posts
April 29 2020 18:58 GMT
#43
Team league could have a broadcasted draft, no team stacking allowed, and there are spots for rookie players. It could be a way to give up and coming players regular experience.
KTY
radracer
Profile Joined March 2020
United States73 Posts
April 30 2020 17:15 GMT
#44
Epicccccc
old
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
April 30 2020 18:06 GMT
#45
Oh yes ! a Teamleague... and oh i'm dreaming already

Because of the success of this starcraft teamleague, Sponsors get attracted to BW again... and ... Korean Telecom remake a team. One team. THE ONLY team. KT freaking Rolster.

End of dream.

Oh well. A fun teamleague would be cool
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12024 Posts
April 30 2020 18:50 GMT
#46
On May 01 2020 03:06 FFW_Rude wrote:
Oh yes ! a Teamleague... and oh i'm dreaming already

Because of the success of this starcraft teamleague, Sponsors get attracted to BW again... and ... Korean Telecom remake a team. One team. THE ONLY team. KT freaking Rolster.

End of dream.

Oh well. A fun teamleague would be cool


Nah.
FanTaSy's #1 Fan | STPL Caster/Organiser | SKT BEST KT | https://twitch.tv/stpl
Chris_Havoc
Profile Joined August 2016
United States600 Posts
April 30 2020 19:05 GMT
#47
This will probably be a new (hype?) type of ATB tournament that can be run concurrently to the ASL and that uses the ASL for seeds and drafts.

I'm thinking more of a GSTL-style eight team tournament and not a weekly Proleague.
Owner of the SC2 Esports Anthology channel on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/SC2EsportsAnthology
Sinistro
Profile Joined February 2012
Brazil684 Posts
May 01 2020 15:28 GMT
#48
a Korean BW Team League in 2020? HELL YES!
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10253 Posts
May 01 2020 19:07 GMT
#49
On May 01 2020 03:06 FFW_Rude wrote:
Oh yes ! a Teamleague... and oh i'm dreaming already

Because of the success of this starcraft teamleague, Sponsors get attracted to BW again... and ... Korean Telecom remake a team. One team. THE ONLY team. KT freaking Rolster.

End of dream.

Oh well. A fun teamleague would be cool

KT FIGHTING!

btw you're not #1 KT fan, I am. >:c
Writer#1 KT and FlaSh Fanboy || Woo Jung Ho Never Forget || Teamliquid Political Decision Desk
TL+ Member
JiYan
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3668 Posts
May 02 2020 01:16 GMT
#50
time to support this!
WGT-Baal
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
France3422 Posts
May 02 2020 04:04 GMT
#51
Make CJ Entus a team again!
Horang2 fan
dalecooper
Profile Joined July 2019
56 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-02 05:32:26
May 02 2020 05:30 GMT
#52
Holy Tasteless!
When I finish my work, I will have some BW to watch! Oh, yes!
pointless
Sr18
Profile Joined April 2006
Netherlands1141 Posts
May 02 2020 06:57 GMT
#53
I hope they figure out a way to prevent the mirror matchup fest that Proleague became.
If it ain't Dutch, it ain't Park Yeong Min - CJ fighting!
Ziggy
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
South Korea2105 Posts
May 02 2020 08:31 GMT
#54
On May 02 2020 04:07 FlaShFTW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2020 03:06 FFW_Rude wrote:
Oh yes ! a Teamleague... and oh i'm dreaming already

Because of the success of this starcraft teamleague, Sponsors get attracted to BW again... and ... Korean Telecom remake a team. One team. THE ONLY team. KT freaking Rolster.

End of dream.

Oh well. A fun teamleague would be cool

KT FIGHTING!

btw you're not #1 KT fan, I am. >:c


we should host a tournament for the title of KT's #1 fan
WriterDefeating a sandwich only makes it tastier. @imjustziggy
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12024 Posts
May 02 2020 09:45 GMT
#55
On May 02 2020 17:31 Ziggy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2020 04:07 FlaShFTW wrote:
On May 01 2020 03:06 FFW_Rude wrote:
Oh yes ! a Teamleague... and oh i'm dreaming already

Because of the success of this starcraft teamleague, Sponsors get attracted to BW again... and ... Korean Telecom remake a team. One team. THE ONLY team. KT freaking Rolster.

End of dream.

Oh well. A fun teamleague would be cool

KT FIGHTING!

btw you're not #1 KT fan, I am. >:c


we should host a tournament for the title of KT's #1 fan


I think you're the only one who even plays the game and it'd be like having a tournament to find out who's tallest dwarf.
FanTaSy's #1 Fan | STPL Caster/Organiser | SKT BEST KT | https://twitch.tv/stpl
Ziggy
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
South Korea2105 Posts
May 02 2020 09:50 GMT
#56
do i win by default then
WriterDefeating a sandwich only makes it tastier. @imjustziggy
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
May 02 2020 12:02 GMT
#57
make woongjin great again
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
May 02 2020 12:25 GMT
#58
On April 29 2020 22:55 SirGlinG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2020 21:38 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
On April 28 2020 02:22 SirGlinG wrote:
On April 28 2020 00:56 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Don't understand how they will select the teams in the first place. There's no real incentive to only practice within the team and keep strats secret wthin the group either as all players are essentially independents who have been thrown together without the binding contracts that team sponsership and money brings. Proleague style teams don't seem to make sense in the present era of broodwar. There's nothing to tie these individual players together. It'll just be a hollow concept, akin to a bunch of players randomly matching with each other.


Sure there's a risk for this.

But I think your take on it is wrong.

Humans are very simple us and them creatures when it comes to teams.
Just think of a rocket league game. In que for a 3v3. U get 5 other players around the same rank. Then they're splitinto 2 teams. And suddenly your opponent trying to score against you is your enemy, and you/your teammates bm them. And your teammate scoring is cheered for. Or you/they bm your own team out of dissapointment in their part in your teams performance.

Just look at Larvas joker video. They randomize teams, play a long bo 15 game series, really cheer for those in their team. Prices, glory, fear of defeat. There's a lot of simple incentives to engage people in teams.

How exactly it's done in this era I don't know but I don't think it'd be a hollow concept, don't think it's difficult.

Back in kespa days they'd practice with people from other teams before starleague games anyway.

I'm not saying they can't form teams. I'm saying how can it possibly be a competition between teams when there is nothing to bind the teams together as the teams are not a distinct entity? You can throw a bunch of players into separate teams, but when prize money is at stake, who wouldn't want to be on Flash's team? If there's no prize money, where is the incentive for the players to play their best? Sure, you can cheer for a team, play for the team you are on, but that doesn't change that it's no longer a competition if no prize money is involved, or that it is more chance of how the teams are made that determines who gets the money. If there is no money, you are asking players to adhere to a schedule and play for free. If there is money, how can it be fair to determine the prize of slapdash put together teams? How would those issues be addressed?


Well They'd play it, they wouldn't leave the competition because of unfair teams. And Afreeca would want a good competiyion for the viewers. What signs from the history of korean e-sports point towards them not caring? It's not like they give up on ASL because of Flash. And it's not even clear wether it'd be an all kill league or a regular 5 match format. In old teams they had snipers. People practicing one specific match up, some where even just known to be experts on one specific map.

And no pricemoney? This is just a rumor, I saw nothing about no pricemoney. If they start a team league there'll likely be pricemoney.

Pro league was always the most valued competition among koreans. Unless their culture somehow has been radically individualised over the last 8 years they'll still care about it even if it's a different kind of team league.

I think we've painted very different pictures of what it'd likely look like if they follow through with it.

You are saying that the players would be happy to play for free and play at their best because of their nostalgia for the kespa period of broodwar. The players will not share your nostalgia for the kespa period of bw. Just about every player say they are much happier now.
Kaolla
Profile Joined January 2003
China2999 Posts
May 03 2020 01:25 GMT
#59
On May 02 2020 21:02 sixfour wrote:
make woongjin great again


again?
its me
SirGlinG
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden933 Posts
May 03 2020 03:28 GMT
#60
On May 02 2020 21:25 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2020 22:55 SirGlinG wrote:
On April 29 2020 21:38 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
On April 28 2020 02:22 SirGlinG wrote:
On April 28 2020 00:56 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Don't understand how they will select the teams in the first place. There's no real incentive to only practice within the team and keep strats secret wthin the group either as all players are essentially independents who have been thrown together without the binding contracts that team sponsership and money brings. Proleague style teams don't seem to make sense in the present era of broodwar. There's nothing to tie these individual players together. It'll just be a hollow concept, akin to a bunch of players randomly matching with each other.


Sure there's a risk for this.

But I think your take on it is wrong.

Humans are very simple us and them creatures when it comes to teams.
Just think of a rocket league game. In que for a 3v3. U get 5 other players around the same rank. Then they're splitinto 2 teams. And suddenly your opponent trying to score against you is your enemy, and you/your teammates bm them. And your teammate scoring is cheered for. Or you/they bm your own team out of dissapointment in their part in your teams performance.

Just look at Larvas joker video. They randomize teams, play a long bo 15 game series, really cheer for those in their team. Prices, glory, fear of defeat. There's a lot of simple incentives to engage people in teams.

How exactly it's done in this era I don't know but I don't think it'd be a hollow concept, don't think it's difficult.

Back in kespa days they'd practice with people from other teams before starleague games anyway.

I'm not saying they can't form teams. I'm saying how can it possibly be a competition between teams when there is nothing to bind the teams together as the teams are not a distinct entity? You can throw a bunch of players into separate teams, but when prize money is at stake, who wouldn't want to be on Flash's team? If there's no prize money, where is the incentive for the players to play their best? Sure, you can cheer for a team, play for the team you are on, but that doesn't change that it's no longer a competition if no prize money is involved, or that it is more chance of how the teams are made that determines who gets the money. If there is no money, you are asking players to adhere to a schedule and play for free. If there is money, how can it be fair to determine the prize of slapdash put together teams? How would those issues be addressed?


Well They'd play it, they wouldn't leave the competition because of unfair teams. And Afreeca would want a good competiyion for the viewers. What signs from the history of korean e-sports point towards them not caring? It's not like they give up on ASL because of Flash. And it's not even clear wether it'd be an all kill league or a regular 5 match format. In old teams they had snipers. People practicing one specific match up, some where even just known to be experts on one specific map.

And no pricemoney? This is just a rumor, I saw nothing about no pricemoney. If they start a team league there'll likely be pricemoney.

Pro league was always the most valued competition among koreans. Unless their culture somehow has been radically individualised over the last 8 years they'll still care about it even if it's a different kind of team league.

I think we've painted very different pictures of what it'd likely look like if they follow through with it.

You are saying that the players would be happy to play for free and play at their best because of their nostalgia for the kespa period of broodwar. The players will not share your nostalgia for the kespa period of bw. Just about every player say they are much happier now.


Not what I'm saying no. One of my examples was specifically about how these free streaming players teambattled on their own, really cared about it. The teams had no sponsors, no names, no kespa. But they cared and had fun. People are generally social, like competing together towards a common goal.

Yeah Kespa ran pro league, the players were not free then.
But is Kespa running this one? No and we still don't know how it'd take shape or even if it will happen. The players don't have to have any nostalgia about Kespa days. It's irrelevant, as Afreeca runs this. Btw since ur making assumptions on my view on Kespa. I can tell u my view on it. I'm nostalgic about pro league, not kespa in itself. I've compared it to slavery. But I also see functions in it as necessary for a big team league. But that's a whole other discussion.

Your arguments against a teamleague are applicable on ASL as well. Most people don't qualify. Lots of people go for the amateur tournament. No money except for the winner and top 16 or 8 afaik. Yet the players care, practice, come back for the next one. And again. How can u be so sure there's no money in it at all? No pricemoney, only slavery contracts awaits?

Based on the very small info we've gotten we all vision different scenarios of how a potential teamleague would play out. I think you paint a pessimistic picture of it, that it misses out on other possible ways it could happen.

History doesn't have to repeat itself, Afreeca should be judged on what Afreeca does, not on what Kespa did.
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