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Zerghxhx
China25 Posts
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/vn1R52Q.jpg) ‘The cycle at which the ASL is held has nothing to do with the others. This time, we will play the official ASL team league before Season 10 opens after Season 9, which ended in today's final. It will be done in a new way, but depending on the team league schedule, I think Season 10 will change rather than the previous cycle’ From Google Translate I'm glad ATB is back. The final of ATB1 is impressive ：9. My English is poor. I can only use Google translation | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51094 Posts
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Qikz
United Kingdom12042 Posts
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Zerghxhx
China25 Posts
On April 27 2020 16:51 BLinD-RawR wrote: can you at least link the post? Has been re-edited | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51094 Posts
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GTR
51639 Posts
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4267 Posts
some new map testing tournament would also be appreciated Can't wait for this to start. Wondering how will it look like. | ||
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Ikirouta
Finland744 Posts
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Szinkler
Hungary394 Posts
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att
128 Posts
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TelecoM
United States10782 Posts
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RowdierBob
Australia13427 Posts
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IncarnatioN_
Russian Federation38 Posts
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ggsimida
1156 Posts
On April 27 2020 17:55 RowdierBob wrote: I think they’ll do a snake draft. Like have top ASL seeds as captains picking players from a pool. They could broadcast it too which would be cool. yup, last ATB 3 years ago they had the top 8 of the ASL pick 3 players each. shld be the same format still. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51094 Posts
Proleague has always been the best part of professional BW to me, so to see anyting come close to that would make me quite happy. | ||
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oEkY
Germany649 Posts
On April 27 2020 19:45 ggsimida wrote: yup, last ATB 3 years ago they had the top 8 of the ASL pick 3 players each. shld be the same format still. That would explain why bisu, larva action and stork played placement matches for 5th to 8th place | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12042 Posts
On April 27 2020 19:50 oEkY wrote: That would explain why bisu, larva action and stork played placement matches for 5th to 8th place I don't think those were "official" matches. | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4267 Posts
looked kinda "semi-official" with all the ASL jackets used and ASL aesthetic.. that would make sense in the light of this upcoming team league, too | ||
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[AS]Rattus
428 Posts
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TornadoSteve
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SirGlinG
Sweden933 Posts
Btw OGN just did this little thing. https://www.twitch.tv/videos/604009477 Anyone know what's up with that? | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13427 Posts
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ne4aJIb
Russian Federation3209 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51094 Posts
On April 27 2020 21:52 ne4aJIb wrote: Is it just one quick tournament? Or a long one like proleague? no details as of yet, this isn't even a formal announcement. | ||
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SirGlinG
Sweden933 Posts
They run the star league, they provide the streaming service that's the main income of the successful players/streamers. If Samsung would feel that it'd be a good thing to have their name on Stork, wouldn't it have to go through Afreeca for at least ASL matches? Maybe I see too much greed and difficulties. Maybe it's simpler than that. | ||
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Akio
Finland1838 Posts
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Ikirouta
Finland744 Posts
On April 27 2020 22:30 Akio wrote: A team league would be so hype, best part of Starcraft esports in my opinion This. Teamleague with 2v2 is the best. Old proleague format pls. | ||
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Lorch
Germany3702 Posts
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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outscar
2832 Posts
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SirGlinG
Sweden933 Posts
On April 28 2020 00:56 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Don't understand how they will select the teams in the first place. There's no real incentive to only practice within the team and keep strats secret wthin the group either as all players are essentially independents who have been thrown together without the binding contracts that team sponsership and money brings. Proleague style teams don't seem to make sense in the present era of broodwar. There's nothing to tie these individual players together. It'll just be a hollow concept, akin to a bunch of players randomly matching with each other. Sure there's a risk for this. But I think your take on it is wrong. Humans are very simple us and them creatures when it comes to teams. Just think of a rocket league game. In que for a 3v3. U get 5 other players around the same rank. Then they're splitinto 2 teams. And suddenly your opponent trying to score against you is your enemy, and you/your teammates bm them. And your teammate scoring is cheered for. Or you/they bm your own team out of dissapointment in their part in your teams performance. Just look at Larvas joker video. They randomize teams, play a long bo 15 game series, really cheer for those in their team. Prices, glory, fear of defeat. There's a lot of simple incentives to engage people in teams. How exactly it's done in this era I don't know but I don't think it'd be a hollow concept, don't think it's difficult. Back in kespa days they'd practice with people from other teams before starleague games anyway. | ||
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prosatan
Romania8932 Posts
Broodwar forever !  | ||
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Sk0
Morocco85 Posts
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Ziggy
South Korea2106 Posts
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4267 Posts
On April 28 2020 00:30 Ikirouta wrote: This. Teamleague with 2v2 is the best. Old proleague format pls. I second this idea | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On April 28 2020 02:22 SirGlinG wrote: Sure there's a risk for this. But I think your take on it is wrong. Humans are very simple us and them creatures when it comes to teams. Just think of a rocket league game. In que for a 3v3. U get 5 other players around the same rank. Then they're splitinto 2 teams. And suddenly your opponent trying to score against you is your enemy, and you/your teammates bm them. And your teammate scoring is cheered for. Or you/they bm your own team out of dissapointment in their part in your teams performance. Just look at Larvas joker video. They randomize teams, play a long bo 15 game series, really cheer for those in their team. Prices, glory, fear of defeat. There's a lot of simple incentives to engage people in teams. How exactly it's done in this era I don't know but I don't think it'd be a hollow concept, don't think it's difficult. Back in kespa days they'd practice with people from other teams before starleague games anyway. I'm not saying they can't form teams. I'm saying how can it possibly be a competition between teams when there is nothing to bind the teams together as the teams are not a distinct entity? You can throw a bunch of players into separate teams, but when prize money is at stake, who wouldn't want to be on Flash's team? If there's no prize money, where is the incentive for the players to play their best? Sure, you can cheer for a team, play for the team you are on, but that doesn't change that it's no longer a competition if no prize money is involved, or that it is more chance of how the teams are made that determines who gets the money. If there is no money, you are asking players to adhere to a schedule and play for free. If there is money, how can it be fair to determine the prize of slapdash put together teams? How would those issues be addressed? | ||
Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
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SirGlinG
Sweden933 Posts
On April 29 2020 21:38 Dangermousecatdog wrote: I'm not saying they can't form teams. I'm saying how can it possibly be a competition between teams when there is nothing to bind the teams together as the teams are not a distinct entity? You can throw a bunch of players into separate teams, but when prize money is at stake, who wouldn't want to be on Flash's team? If there's no prize money, where is the incentive for the players to play their best? Sure, you can cheer for a team, play for the team you are on, but that doesn't change that it's no longer a competition if no prize money is involved, or that it is more chance of how the teams are made that determines who gets the money. If there is no money, you are asking players to adhere to a schedule and play for free. If there is money, how can it be fair to determine the prize of slapdash put together teams? How would those issues be addressed? Well They'd play it, they wouldn't leave the competition because of unfair teams. And Afreeca would want a good competiyion for the viewers. What signs from the history of korean e-sports point towards them not caring? It's not like they give up on ASL because of Flash. And it's not even clear wether it'd be an all kill league or a regular 5 match format. In old teams they had snipers. People practicing one specific match up, some where even just known to be experts on one specific map. And no pricemoney? This is just a rumor, I saw nothing about no pricemoney. If they start a team league there'll likely be pricemoney. Pro league was always the most valued competition among koreans. Unless their culture somehow has been radically individualised over the last 8 years they'll still care about it even if it's a different kind of team league. I think we've painted very different pictures of what it'd likely look like if they follow through with it. | ||
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kaspa84
Brazil169 Posts
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art_of_turtle
United States1206 Posts
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thislooksgreat1
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prosatan
Romania8932 Posts
On April 29 2020 23:55 art_of_turtle wrote: lets send a BSL Team consisting of Bonyth, BSL-9 Bonyth, MustacheToss, BSL9TeamSucksWithoutBonyth, Gorynich Don't forget MoustacheBonyth ! | ||
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Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
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radracer
United States75 Posts
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
Because of the success of this starcraft teamleague, Sponsors get attracted to BW again... and ... Korean Telecom remake a team. One team. THE ONLY team. KT freaking Rolster. End of dream. Oh well. A fun teamleague would be cool | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12042 Posts
On May 01 2020 03:06 FFW_Rude wrote: Oh yes ! a Teamleague... and oh i'm dreaming already Because of the success of this starcraft teamleague, Sponsors get attracted to BW again... and ... Korean Telecom remake a team. One team. THE ONLY team. KT freaking Rolster. End of dream. Oh well. A fun teamleague would be cool Nah. | ||
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Chris_Havoc
United States600 Posts
I'm thinking more of a GSTL-style eight team tournament and not a weekly Proleague. | ||
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Sinistro
Brazil684 Posts
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FlaShFTW
United States10509 Posts
On May 01 2020 03:06 FFW_Rude wrote: Oh yes ! a Teamleague... and oh i'm dreaming already Because of the success of this starcraft teamleague, Sponsors get attracted to BW again... and ... Korean Telecom remake a team. One team. THE ONLY team. KT freaking Rolster. End of dream. Oh well. A fun teamleague would be cool KT FIGHTING! btw you're not #1 KT fan, I am. >:c | ||
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JiYan
United States3668 Posts
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WGT-Baal
France3503 Posts
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dalecooper
56 Posts
When I finish my work, I will have some BW to watch! Oh, yes! | ||
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Sr18
Netherlands1141 Posts
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Ziggy
South Korea2106 Posts
On May 02 2020 04:07 FlaShFTW wrote: KT FIGHTING! btw you're not #1 KT fan, I am. >:c we should host a tournament for the title of KT's #1 fan | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12042 Posts
On May 02 2020 17:31 Ziggy wrote: we should host a tournament for the title of KT's #1 fan I think you're the only one who even plays the game and it'd be like having a tournament to find out who's tallest dwarf. | ||
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Ziggy
South Korea2106 Posts
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sixfour
England11062 Posts
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On April 29 2020 22:55 SirGlinG wrote: Well They'd play it, they wouldn't leave the competition because of unfair teams. And Afreeca would want a good competiyion for the viewers. What signs from the history of korean e-sports point towards them not caring? It's not like they give up on ASL because of Flash. And it's not even clear wether it'd be an all kill league or a regular 5 match format. In old teams they had snipers. People practicing one specific match up, some where even just known to be experts on one specific map. And no pricemoney? This is just a rumor, I saw nothing about no pricemoney. If they start a team league there'll likely be pricemoney. Pro league was always the most valued competition among koreans. Unless their culture somehow has been radically individualised over the last 8 years they'll still care about it even if it's a different kind of team league. I think we've painted very different pictures of what it'd likely look like if they follow through with it. You are saying that the players would be happy to play for free and play at their best because of their nostalgia for the kespa period of broodwar. The players will not share your nostalgia for the kespa period of bw. Just about every player say they are much happier now. | ||
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Kaolla
China2999 Posts
On May 02 2020 21:02 sixfour wrote: make woongjin great again again? | ||
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SirGlinG
Sweden933 Posts
On May 02 2020 21:25 Dangermousecatdog wrote: You are saying that the players would be happy to play for free and play at their best because of their nostalgia for the kespa period of broodwar. The players will not share your nostalgia for the kespa period of bw. Just about every player say they are much happier now. Not what I'm saying no. One of my examples was specifically about how these free streaming players teambattled on their own, really cared about it. The teams had no sponsors, no names, no kespa. But they cared and had fun. People are generally social, like competing together towards a common goal. Yeah Kespa ran pro league, the players were not free then. But is Kespa running this one? No and we still don't know how it'd take shape or even if it will happen. The players don't have to have any nostalgia about Kespa days. It's irrelevant, as Afreeca runs this. Btw since ur making assumptions on my view on Kespa. I can tell u my view on it. I'm nostalgic about pro league, not kespa in itself. I've compared it to slavery. But I also see functions in it as necessary for a big team league. But that's a whole other discussion. Your arguments against a teamleague are applicable on ASL as well. Most people don't qualify. Lots of people go for the amateur tournament. No money except for the winner and top 16 or 8 afaik. Yet the players care, practice, come back for the next one. And again. How can u be so sure there's no money in it at all? No pricemoney, only slavery contracts awaits? Based on the very small info we've gotten we all vision different scenarios of how a potential teamleague would play out. I think you paint a pessimistic picture of it, that it misses out on other possible ways it could happen. History doesn't have to repeat itself, Afreeca should be judged on what Afreeca does, not on what Kespa did. | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On May 02 2020 04:07 FlaShFTW wrote: KT FIGHTING! btw you're not #1 KT fan, I am. >:c Didn't we already have that discussion ? | ||
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zlald
Korea (South)35 Posts
910map.tistory.com Afreeca team league season 1 maps list :D | ||
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whaski
Finland577 Posts
On May 08 2020 23:04 zlald wrote: (4)Polypoid, (3)Neo Sylphid, (2)Eclipse, (4)Optimizer, (4)New Empire of the Sun 910map.tistory.com Afreeca team league season 1 maps list :D Season 1, so we are getting multiple seasons! Is there any infprmation how teams are formed? Great news for brood war! | ||
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Lorch
Germany3702 Posts
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XenOsky
Chile2356 Posts
TSMMMMMMMMMMM … wait... | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10509 Posts
Yes we agreed I was bigger KT fan. c: | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4267 Posts
On May 08 2020 23:04 zlald wrote: (4)Polypoid, (3)Neo Sylphid, (2)Eclipse, (4)Optimizer, (4)New Empire of the Sun 910map.tistory.com Afreeca team league season 1 maps list :D ooooohhhhh snap! this is going to be so good! :D awesome map pool and Season 1.. so we are probably going to see this regularly.. YES, PLEASE. do we have any more info about it? like when will it start, etc? | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
Ah... I thought i sigbet's you one month ban years ago but maybe that wasn't you... can't recall | ||
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Garrl
Scotland1978 Posts
On May 08 2020 23:04 zlald wrote: (4)Polypoid, (3)Neo Sylphid, (2)Eclipse, (4)Optimizer, (4)New Empire of the Sun 910map.tistory.com Afreeca team league season 1 maps list :D so I guess 2 maps have been added here since then, Iron Curtain and ASL Fastest(?) iron curtain being added there explains why I've seen a few proes playing 2v2 on it, but, uh, are we going to see fastest in 2v2? | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10509 Posts
On May 12 2020 00:25 FFW_Rude wrote: Ah... I thought i sigbet's you one month ban years ago but maybe that wasn't you... can't recall oh, yeah idk if that happened. All I recall was me getting targetted during ABL FPL from SKT boys and you banned SKT people to defend me. EDIT: jk that wasn't you either. wtf. anyways, I am true #1 kt fan. | ||
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srj
Canada134 Posts
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SeaKing66
41 Posts
https://www.reddit.com/r/broodwar/comments/h7dgwq/gillette_x_afreeca_star_team_league_season_1_is/ | ||
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Chris_Havoc
United States600 Posts
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chongu
Malaysia2599 Posts
Looking forward to 2v2s (TT v TT). It's probably twice as long as a normal TvT. Lol | ||
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sntct
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