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SirGlinG
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden933 Posts
April 27 2020 12:33 GMT
#21
Teamleague yes please!

Btw OGN just did this little thing.
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/604009477
Anyone know what's up with that?

Not my chair. Not my problem. That's what I say
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13427 Posts
April 27 2020 12:42 GMT
#22
I wonder is they start bringing on sponsors for the individual teams. That’d be pretty cool.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
ne4aJIb
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Russian Federation3209 Posts
April 27 2020 12:52 GMT
#23
Is it just one quick tournament? Or a long one like proleague?
Bisu,Best,Stork,Jangbi and Flash, Fantasy, Leta, Light and Jaedong, Hydra, Zero, Soulkey assemble in ACE now!
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51094 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-04-27 12:58:26
April 27 2020 12:58 GMT
#24
On April 27 2020 21:52 ne4aJIb wrote:
Is it just one quick tournament? Or a long one like proleague?


no details as of yet, this isn't even a formal announcement.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
SirGlinG
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden933 Posts
April 27 2020 13:16 GMT
#25
I hope Afreeca has good relations with other companys.

They run the star league, they provide the streaming service that's the main income of the successful players/streamers.

If Samsung would feel that it'd be a good thing to have their name on Stork, wouldn't it have to go through Afreeca for at least ASL matches?

Maybe I see too much greed and difficulties. Maybe it's simpler than that.
Not my chair. Not my problem. That's what I say
Akio
Profile Blog Joined January 2019
Finland1838 Posts
April 27 2020 13:30 GMT
#26
A team league would be so hype, best part of Starcraft esports in my opinion
Mine gas, build tanks.
Ikirouta
Profile Blog Joined November 2017
Finland744 Posts
April 27 2020 15:30 GMT
#27
On April 27 2020 22:30 Akio wrote:
A team league would be so hype, best part of Starcraft esports in my opinion


This.

Teamleague with 2v2 is the best. Old proleague format pls.
Pusan fan #1, bad sair/reaver enthuisiast. twitch.tv/ikirouta
Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3702 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-04-27 15:37:16
April 27 2020 15:36 GMT
#28
Thank god. Blizzard has been blocking team leagues for far too long, I am glad that the new afreeca + blizzard deal finally fixed that. ASL is an amazing replacement for OSL/MSL but proleague was brood war at its best
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
April 27 2020 15:56 GMT
#29
Don't understand how they will select the teams in the first place. There's no real incentive to only practice within the team and keep strats secret wthin the group either as all players are essentially independents who have been thrown together without the binding contracts that team sponsership and money brings. Proleague style teams don't seem to make sense in the present era of broodwar. There's nothing to tie these individual players together. It'll just be a hollow concept, akin to a bunch of players randomly matching with each other.
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-04-27 16:52:50
April 27 2020 16:52 GMT
#30
Mad props, CEO Kevin is the man! I already missed ATB so much.
sunbeams are never made like me...
SirGlinG
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden933 Posts
April 27 2020 17:22 GMT
#31
On April 28 2020 00:56 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Don't understand how they will select the teams in the first place. There's no real incentive to only practice within the team and keep strats secret wthin the group either as all players are essentially independents who have been thrown together without the binding contracts that team sponsership and money brings. Proleague style teams don't seem to make sense in the present era of broodwar. There's nothing to tie these individual players together. It'll just be a hollow concept, akin to a bunch of players randomly matching with each other.


Sure there's a risk for this.

But I think your take on it is wrong.

Humans are very simple us and them creatures when it comes to teams.
Just think of a rocket league game. In que for a 3v3. U get 5 other players around the same rank. Then they're splitinto 2 teams. And suddenly your opponent trying to score against you is your enemy, and you/your teammates bm them. And your teammate scoring is cheered for. Or you/they bm your own team out of dissapointment in their part in your teams performance.

Just look at Larvas joker video. They randomize teams, play a long bo 15 game series, really cheer for those in their team. Prices, glory, fear of defeat. There's a lot of simple incentives to engage people in teams.

How exactly it's done in this era I don't know but I don't think it'd be a hollow concept, don't think it's difficult.

Back in kespa days they'd practice with people from other teams before starleague games anyway.
Not my chair. Not my problem. That's what I say
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8932 Posts
April 27 2020 17:30 GMT
#32
Let's hope this goes big!
Broodwar forever !
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
Sk0
Profile Joined February 2008
Morocco85 Posts
April 27 2020 17:57 GMT
#33
Hope they find something that could be sustainable like ASL. Thank you Afreeecaaa!!!
Ziggy
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
South Korea2106 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-04-29 08:51:52
April 29 2020 08:04 GMT
#34
nvm, false alarm
WriterDefeating a sandwich only makes it tastier. @imjustziggy
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4267 Posts
April 29 2020 08:59 GMT
#35
On April 28 2020 00:30 Ikirouta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2020 22:30 Akio wrote:
A team league would be so hype, best part of Starcraft esports in my opinion


This.

Teamleague with 2v2 is the best. Old proleague format pls.

I second this idea
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
April 29 2020 12:38 GMT
#36
On April 28 2020 02:22 SirGlinG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2020 00:56 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Don't understand how they will select the teams in the first place. There's no real incentive to only practice within the team and keep strats secret wthin the group either as all players are essentially independents who have been thrown together without the binding contracts that team sponsership and money brings. Proleague style teams don't seem to make sense in the present era of broodwar. There's nothing to tie these individual players together. It'll just be a hollow concept, akin to a bunch of players randomly matching with each other.


Sure there's a risk for this.

But I think your take on it is wrong.

Humans are very simple us and them creatures when it comes to teams.
Just think of a rocket league game. In que for a 3v3. U get 5 other players around the same rank. Then they're splitinto 2 teams. And suddenly your opponent trying to score against you is your enemy, and you/your teammates bm them. And your teammate scoring is cheered for. Or you/they bm your own team out of dissapointment in their part in your teams performance.

Just look at Larvas joker video. They randomize teams, play a long bo 15 game series, really cheer for those in their team. Prices, glory, fear of defeat. There's a lot of simple incentives to engage people in teams.

How exactly it's done in this era I don't know but I don't think it'd be a hollow concept, don't think it's difficult.

Back in kespa days they'd practice with people from other teams before starleague games anyway.

I'm not saying they can't form teams. I'm saying how can it possibly be a competition between teams when there is nothing to bind the teams together as the teams are not a distinct entity? You can throw a bunch of players into separate teams, but when prize money is at stake, who wouldn't want to be on Flash's team? If there's no prize money, where is the incentive for the players to play their best? Sure, you can cheer for a team, play for the team you are on, but that doesn't change that it's no longer a competition if no prize money is involved, or that it is more chance of how the teams are made that determines who gets the money. If there is no money, you are asking players to adhere to a schedule and play for free. If there is money, how can it be fair to determine the prize of slapdash put together teams? How would those issues be addressed?
Xxio
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada5565 Posts
April 29 2020 13:16 GMT
#37
Regular team league with ASL running at the same time would be amazing.
KTY
SirGlinG
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden933 Posts
April 29 2020 13:55 GMT
#38
On April 29 2020 21:38 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2020 02:22 SirGlinG wrote:
On April 28 2020 00:56 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Don't understand how they will select the teams in the first place. There's no real incentive to only practice within the team and keep strats secret wthin the group either as all players are essentially independents who have been thrown together without the binding contracts that team sponsership and money brings. Proleague style teams don't seem to make sense in the present era of broodwar. There's nothing to tie these individual players together. It'll just be a hollow concept, akin to a bunch of players randomly matching with each other.


Sure there's a risk for this.

But I think your take on it is wrong.

Humans are very simple us and them creatures when it comes to teams.
Just think of a rocket league game. In que for a 3v3. U get 5 other players around the same rank. Then they're splitinto 2 teams. And suddenly your opponent trying to score against you is your enemy, and you/your teammates bm them. And your teammate scoring is cheered for. Or you/they bm your own team out of dissapointment in their part in your teams performance.

Just look at Larvas joker video. They randomize teams, play a long bo 15 game series, really cheer for those in their team. Prices, glory, fear of defeat. There's a lot of simple incentives to engage people in teams.

How exactly it's done in this era I don't know but I don't think it'd be a hollow concept, don't think it's difficult.

Back in kespa days they'd practice with people from other teams before starleague games anyway.

I'm not saying they can't form teams. I'm saying how can it possibly be a competition between teams when there is nothing to bind the teams together as the teams are not a distinct entity? You can throw a bunch of players into separate teams, but when prize money is at stake, who wouldn't want to be on Flash's team? If there's no prize money, where is the incentive for the players to play their best? Sure, you can cheer for a team, play for the team you are on, but that doesn't change that it's no longer a competition if no prize money is involved, or that it is more chance of how the teams are made that determines who gets the money. If there is no money, you are asking players to adhere to a schedule and play for free. If there is money, how can it be fair to determine the prize of slapdash put together teams? How would those issues be addressed?


Well They'd play it, they wouldn't leave the competition because of unfair teams. And Afreeca would want a good competiyion for the viewers. What signs from the history of korean e-sports point towards them not caring? It's not like they give up on ASL because of Flash. And it's not even clear wether it'd be an all kill league or a regular 5 match format. In old teams they had snipers. People practicing one specific match up, some where even just known to be experts on one specific map.

And no pricemoney? This is just a rumor, I saw nothing about no pricemoney. If they start a team league there'll likely be pricemoney.

Pro league was always the most valued competition among koreans. Unless their culture somehow has been radically individualised over the last 8 years they'll still care about it even if it's a different kind of team league.

I think we've painted very different pictures of what it'd likely look like if they follow through with it.
Not my chair. Not my problem. That's what I say
kaspa84
Profile Joined July 2016
Brazil169 Posts
April 29 2020 14:01 GMT
#39
Hope this makes sucess and something like proleague comes back. I still remember how good Bisu x Flash acematch was in the last proleague (even as a Samsung Khan/Jangbi fan).
art_of_turtle
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
United States1206 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-04-29 15:29:11
April 29 2020 14:55 GMT
#40
lets send a BSL Team consisting of Bonyth, BSL-9 Bonyth, MustacheToss, BSL9TeamSucksWithoutBonyth, Gorynich
Flash should fear Sacsri
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