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On January 20 2018 04:44 SCC-Faust wrote:
Yah, I tweeted to Blizz and made a post in the topic on the starcraft blizz.net forums. I mean, we're a small crowd, but if everyone can do the same, it would be a lot better than being upset or frustrated in this topic. If you're passionate about StarCraft like I am, turn that frustration into action imo.. and as people have said, we don't really know the full situation, so instead of throwing insults or fire, instead just let Blizz know the positive experiences the pro BW scene has on you etc
I don't actually know if it will do anything, but there is really no reason not to hit up twitter/facebook/blizz forums and just say something along the lines of that. Something that evokes feelings in you personally. At worst, nothing happens, but you leave a positive message that steps on no feet, and best, maybe it will inspire Blizzard and Afreeca to work something out.
Time to make a Twitter-account! If there was ever a reason to make, this would be it.
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On January 20 2018 06:50 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 05:04 Starlightsun wrote:On January 20 2018 04:34 RCCar wrote:
None of the parties involved are emotional entities, though they might try to fool people into thinking they are.
So let's judge them by their actions then. Afreeca has given us four high quality bw tournaments and many hours of the top pros streaming. They deserve thanks and hopefully financial success for that. Blizzard on the other hand has done what exactly for pro bw? Uhm, not sure how to word it. The release of the game? I know what and how you mean it but this shitting on Blizzard is way too much for me. All we have si a vague statement of 1 side and silence on the other side. How do you know you're standing on the good side?
Excuse me, I should refer to them as just Activision to avoid confusion. Blizzard is a dead company that once made masterpieces one after another. Definitely not shitting on them, they were arguably the greatest game maker of all time.
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The real issue is that corporations in South Korea right now which don't have a perfectly clean record are trying to avoid having their history dug up and so have to be very quiet (to avoid the eye of prosecutors) in terms of investements in areas like luxury esport which, to be fair, have in the past been sources of graft and siphoning.
Similar areas include:
High-end art
Sports teams
Musician sponsorships.
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On January 20 2018 07:28 KR_4EVR wrote:
The real issue is that corporations in South Korea right now which don't have a perfectly clean record are trying to avoid having their history dug up and so have to be very quiet (to avoid the eye of prosecutors) in terms of investements in areas like luxury esport which, to be fair, have in the past been sources of graft and siphoning.
Similar areas include:
High-end art
Sports teams
Musician sponsorships.
And yes, E-sport is a luxury.
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Blizzard maybe just playing hard negotiators, making sure they milk Korea all they can, but my guess is we will see ASL5 this year.
I don't see how it's not in their interest to have ASL5 especially after making SC:R...
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On January 19 2018 15:48 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2018 15:15 FlaShFTW wrote:
First off, to those people who are currently telling us to move on, remember where you are. This place, teamliquid, was built off of Starcraft since 2006. Do not tell us to move on. If you don't like that we're die hard fans, then leave.
Second, is there some kind of petition we can sign or mass tweet @Blizzard that we could do? So far I only see complaining, but I want a plan to actually get rolled out so we can try to push the issue into the spotlight so Blizzard can try to see some reason. *2001, we've always been driven by SC
Oh I thought the site itself was built in 2006. I know the community was around earlier but I was just in reference to the website. Guess I'm stupid haha.
Also, I am tweeting at Blizzard and Starcraft every single day until we get back ASL5. Hope others can join me and we can make a big enough splash to get Blizzard to at least be a bit transparent about the process.
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On January 20 2018 02:26 Silvanel wrote:
The OP is seriously lacking context. Theres actualy nothing damning in OP, just one guy sad about another comapny not helping them. For anyone without knowledge of details of the situation this all look as pointless bashing. In my opinion OP should be expanded right now this thread looks very weird.
On January 20 2018 01:10 CoL_DarkstaR wrote:
Here's a serious question though. When does the Blizzard fee actually start? I mean, we all know that there are small tournaments on a daily basis. Also there is stuff like BWCL and other clanleagues. What size does a tournament need to be to start paying the retarded Blizzard fees?
It seems to me that we are on shaky ground right now, so to speak. We have little, to no information from Blizzard's side of things. Which is expected, and honestly, I would never expect them to disclose this kind of information to the "general public". So we have been operating off of assumptions and rumors, basically. For now that is all we have.
Like I said in my previous post, I am not going to claim to understand why Blizzard would feel the need to charge any kind of fee. They are a massively profitable and hugely successful company on every level. Before the Korean Starleagues even, Starcraft was one of the first strategy games ever to be played professionally by people in the competitive arena. This game birthed E-sports as we know it, and the E-sports industry has been a pretty good source of revenue for Blizzard over the years. So why act so petty? There is a huge disconnect here.
I don't feel that the major issue is whether Blizzard or Afreeca is "right or wrong". We are crossing into the world of business here, and not everything is going to make sense to the uninitiated. The major issue then, for me at least (and I know I am echoing the concerns of others as well) is: even if we get the ASL 5 and everything runs smoothly. Are we going to have to go through this shit again for the ASL 6? This is corporate semantic bullshit, and it has no place in professional SC. Let me remind you that Blizzard never charged these kinds of exorbitant fees in the past when the Korean proleagues were still quite young. Somewhere along the line they changed their tune...
So at the end of the day, the most important thing to focus on now, is how are we going to get the ASL running without a hitch? I have ranted, others as well. We have all professed our feelings of betrayal. Some people have already taken action in the forms of emails or tweets, which is awesome. But what have we done as one entity? One fanbase. All crying out in unison: We love Broodwar, and we WILL see our champions fight in the arena. Right now that arena is ASL 5, and we have long been awaiting it.
If there is anything we can do to let Blizzard know how we feel, we should do it. It has to be organized and we have to be loud, or we will get ignored.
On January 20 2018 01:14 Sihrtogg wrote:
Would starting a petition be the best course of action now? Will the numbers we realistically can expect to get make a favourable impact on Blizzard?
I don't feel that emails or tweets are going to grab their attention unless it is some kind of direct dialogue with an executive at Blizzard. Empty threats or lashing out pointlessly is also going to get us nowhere. We have to think of an intelligent and concise way to really reach someone at Blizzard who has the power to change this situation. Keep in mind that this person or group of people might have never played SC:BW, or give two fucks about our community.
Ideally, we could co-ordinate with the fanbase in South Korea somehow, and make our voice even louder. The ASL is taking place there. And that is really all I care about at this point. I just want the ASL. I don't want to "fuck Blizzard", I don't want to be angry, I just want to watch some Starcraft. This game is important to me.
So ladies and gentlemen I beseech you, what can we do? What are we are willing to do as one, unified group to get Afreeca and Blizzard to come to terms?
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I feel maybe I put this post too fast, without having all the facts first.
I care too much about this subject,
I hope that can be used as a valid excuse because it's the only one I have.
The general ideas are still correct but I don't have all the facts yet, and I am sorry if my rushed conclusions are wrong.
I don't want Blizzard to be bullied into something they don't want to do using sentimental fans.
One way or another actions speak louder than words and I will draw my conclusions from facts and react in consequence.
I am scared. I don't want Brood war to go completely from my life if that's possible.
I want to play with my future children. I want them to have replays playing with me after I'm gone and be able to look at those when they miss me. Big stakes for me, but that's my problem.
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On January 20 2018 06:50 SCC-Faust wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 06:31 Saechiis wrote:On January 20 2018 04:34 RCCar wrote:
Nice meme. Its still business. Just that Afreeca has invested too much into SCBW to back out now. They used to almost exclusively have BW streamers and capitalized on their monopoly. Now, BW is getting less popular in Korea, old progamers are starting to play PUBG, and many of them are simultaneously broadcasting to youtube and twitch, ultimately better optimized platforms. Afreeca tried to regulate the migration, but came under heavy fire and had to give up.
They aren't getting back what they invested into BW, and they are too late to jump on the PUBG progaming train, so they have no choice but to pretend they care about their bw streamers more than twitch or youtube does. One of the ways include ASL, which is why they're keeping it up for now though it is inevitably in the red.
None of the parties involved are emotional entities, though they might try to fool people into thinking they are.
Literally Soo-Gil says nothing of substance in his whole plea,
just "hey, we're the good guys, if only Blizzard will give in, we can have this!"
Vise versa holds true. In my opinion, with all the other greedy stunts he's pulled over the years, Afreeca are probably stubborn about something simple so they can protect their ego, and are resorting to mass rage since Blizzard won't take their shit. I'm quoting this because it seems like one of the more levelheaded non-emotional responses in the thread. These are big companies, it's unlikely morality is a point of discussion aside from technical legality and "do we think this will piss people off to a degree that we're going to lose money over it?" I don't completely understand how this is one of the more levelheaded responses when it is far more leaps than most people in this thread are making on top of just being on the other side of the coin in the blame game. People are just wondering exactly how Blizzard can say they want to see more tournaments come up and flourish with the release of Remastered, and then charge such an incredible licensing fee that the most suitable company to do so isn't even able to. I think that is a legitimate concern and question that people have a right to ask, and is not inflammatory in any way or taking anything out of context. It also seems a lot less gratuitous than claiming the Afreeca CEO is on a burning ship and solely wants cheaper rights to keep his platform afloat. Oh, how malicious. How evil. Please charge them up the ass, cause how dare Afreeca want to survive as a company. OK good posts dudes.
How did you learn what he wants ? I didn't learn anything from his statement. He can't afford ASL5 so what now ? Pressure Blizzard to do what ? Sponsor his company ? He doesn't say anything specific, just a vague statement that will turn people against his "partners".
Using the fans in the negotiation process is just a cheap shot.
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On January 20 2018 06:50 SCC-Faust wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 06:31 Saechiis wrote:On January 20 2018 04:34 RCCar wrote:
Nice meme. Its still business. Just that Afreeca has invested too much into SCBW to back out now. They used to almost exclusively have BW streamers and capitalized on their monopoly. Now, BW is getting less popular in Korea, old progamers are starting to play PUBG, and many of them are simultaneously broadcasting to youtube and twitch, ultimately better optimized platforms. Afreeca tried to regulate the migration, but came under heavy fire and had to give up.
They aren't getting back what they invested into BW, and they are too late to jump on the PUBG progaming train, so they have no choice but to pretend they care about their bw streamers more than twitch or youtube does. One of the ways include ASL, which is why they're keeping it up for now though it is inevitably in the red.
None of the parties involved are emotional entities, though they might try to fool people into thinking they are.
Literally Soo-Gil says nothing of substance in his whole plea,
just "hey, we're the good guys, if only Blizzard will give in, we can have this!"
Vise versa holds true. In my opinion, with all the other greedy stunts he's pulled over the years, Afreeca are probably stubborn about something simple so they can protect their ego, and are resorting to mass rage since Blizzard won't take their shit. I'm quoting this because it seems like one of the more levelheaded non-emotional responses in the thread. These are big companies, it's unlikely morality is a point of discussion aside from technical legality and "do we think this will piss people off to a degree that we're going to lose money over it?" I don't completely understand how this is one of the more levelheaded responses when it is far more leaps than most people in this thread are making on top of just being on the other side of the coin in the blame game. People are just wondering exactly how Blizzard can say they want to see more tournaments come up and flourish with the release of Remastered, and then charge such an incredible licensing fee that the most suitable company to do so isn't even able to. I think that is a legitimate concern and question that people have a right to ask, and is not inflammatory in any way or taking anything out of context. It also seems a lot less gratuitous than claiming the Afreeca CEO is on a burning ship and solely wants cheaper rights to keep his platform afloat. Oh, how malicious. How evil. Please charge them up the ass, cause how dare Afreeca want to survive as a company. OK good posts dudes.
It's levelheaded in that it approaches these companies as money making machines that only make moral arguments when it suits their cause.
Nowhere in the quote does it say ASL5 can't start because Afreeca can't pay the (outrageous) licensing fee, that's conjecture. The only tangible information we get is that Afreeca is losing money on BW and that they hold Blizzard responsible in some way for not being able to proceed with ASL5.
If Afreeca can't pay the agreed fee then it's not in Blizzards interests to continue on. They've made their nostalgia-buck with Remastered and isn't expected to reach new audiences with the exposure. It could be that Afreeca is trying to renegotiate for a lesser fee or that they've requested funding. We can't really conclude it's just Blizzard being unreasonable.
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On January 20 2018 08:23 Pr0wler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 06:50 SCC-Faust wrote:On January 20 2018 06:31 Saechiis wrote:On January 20 2018 04:34 RCCar wrote:
Nice meme. Its still business. Just that Afreeca has invested too much into SCBW to back out now. They used to almost exclusively have BW streamers and capitalized on their monopoly. Now, BW is getting less popular in Korea, old progamers are starting to play PUBG, and many of them are simultaneously broadcasting to youtube and twitch, ultimately better optimized platforms. Afreeca tried to regulate the migration, but came under heavy fire and had to give up.
They aren't getting back what they invested into BW, and they are too late to jump on the PUBG progaming train, so they have no choice but to pretend they care about their bw streamers more than twitch or youtube does. One of the ways include ASL, which is why they're keeping it up for now though it is inevitably in the red.
None of the parties involved are emotional entities, though they might try to fool people into thinking they are.
Literally Soo-Gil says nothing of substance in his whole plea,
just "hey, we're the good guys, if only Blizzard will give in, we can have this!"
Vise versa holds true. In my opinion, with all the other greedy stunts he's pulled over the years, Afreeca are probably stubborn about something simple so they can protect their ego, and are resorting to mass rage since Blizzard won't take their shit. I'm quoting this because it seems like one of the more levelheaded non-emotional responses in the thread. These are big companies, it's unlikely morality is a point of discussion aside from technical legality and "do we think this will piss people off to a degree that we're going to lose money over it?" I don't completely understand how this is one of the more levelheaded responses when it is far more leaps than most people in this thread are making on top of just being on the other side of the coin in the blame game. People are just wondering exactly how Blizzard can say they want to see more tournaments come up and flourish with the release of Remastered, and then charge such an incredible licensing fee that the most suitable company to do so isn't even able to. I think that is a legitimate concern and question that people have a right to ask, and is not inflammatory in any way or taking anything out of context. It also seems a lot less gratuitous than claiming the Afreeca CEO is on a burning ship and solely wants cheaper rights to keep his platform afloat. Oh, how malicious. How evil. Please charge them up the ass, cause how dare Afreeca want to survive as a company. OK good posts dudes. How did you learn what he wants ? I didn't learn anything from his statement. He can't afford ASL5 so what now ? Pressure Blizzard to do what ? Sponsor his company ? He doesn't say anything specific, just a vague statement that will turn people against his "partners". Using the fans in the negotiation process is just a cheap shot.
Its not about Blizzard paying for ASL but letting Afreeca pay less to start ASL.
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Why blizz would block ASL5? Shouldn't their interests aligned with Afreeca?
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On January 20 2018 08:31 [AS]Rattus wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 08:23 Pr0wler wrote:On January 20 2018 06:50 SCC-Faust wrote:On January 20 2018 06:31 Saechiis wrote:On January 20 2018 04:34 RCCar wrote:
Nice meme. Its still business. Just that Afreeca has invested too much into SCBW to back out now. They used to almost exclusively have BW streamers and capitalized on their monopoly. Now, BW is getting less popular in Korea, old progamers are starting to play PUBG, and many of them are simultaneously broadcasting to youtube and twitch, ultimately better optimized platforms. Afreeca tried to regulate the migration, but came under heavy fire and had to give up.
They aren't getting back what they invested into BW, and they are too late to jump on the PUBG progaming train, so they have no choice but to pretend they care about their bw streamers more than twitch or youtube does. One of the ways include ASL, which is why they're keeping it up for now though it is inevitably in the red.
None of the parties involved are emotional entities, though they might try to fool people into thinking they are.
Literally Soo-Gil says nothing of substance in his whole plea,
just "hey, we're the good guys, if only Blizzard will give in, we can have this!"
Vise versa holds true. In my opinion, with all the other greedy stunts he's pulled over the years, Afreeca are probably stubborn about something simple so they can protect their ego, and are resorting to mass rage since Blizzard won't take their shit. I'm quoting this because it seems like one of the more levelheaded non-emotional responses in the thread. These are big companies, it's unlikely morality is a point of discussion aside from technical legality and "do we think this will piss people off to a degree that we're going to lose money over it?" I don't completely understand how this is one of the more levelheaded responses when it is far more leaps than most people in this thread are making on top of just being on the other side of the coin in the blame game. People are just wondering exactly how Blizzard can say they want to see more tournaments come up and flourish with the release of Remastered, and then charge such an incredible licensing fee that the most suitable company to do so isn't even able to. I think that is a legitimate concern and question that people have a right to ask, and is not inflammatory in any way or taking anything out of context. It also seems a lot less gratuitous than claiming the Afreeca CEO is on a burning ship and solely wants cheaper rights to keep his platform afloat. Oh, how malicious. How evil. Please charge them up the ass, cause how dare Afreeca want to survive as a company. OK good posts dudes. How did you learn what he wants ? I didn't learn anything from his statement. He can't afford ASL5 so what now ? Pressure Blizzard to do what ? Sponsor his company ? He doesn't say anything specific, just a vague statement that will turn people against his "partners". Using the fans in the negotiation process is just a cheap shot. Its not about Blizzard paying for ASL but letting Afreeca pay less to start ASL.
First of all you dont know that. And second, giving them money and allowing them to run the tournament for less money is the exact same thing.
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On January 20 2018 08:57 Pr0wler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 08:31 [AS]Rattus wrote:On January 20 2018 08:23 Pr0wler wrote:On January 20 2018 06:50 SCC-Faust wrote:On January 20 2018 06:31 Saechiis wrote:On January 20 2018 04:34 RCCar wrote:
Nice meme. Its still business. Just that Afreeca has invested too much into SCBW to back out now. They used to almost exclusively have BW streamers and capitalized on their monopoly. Now, BW is getting less popular in Korea, old progamers are starting to play PUBG, and many of them are simultaneously broadcasting to youtube and twitch, ultimately better optimized platforms. Afreeca tried to regulate the migration, but came under heavy fire and had to give up.
They aren't getting back what they invested into BW, and they are too late to jump on the PUBG progaming train, so they have no choice but to pretend they care about their bw streamers more than twitch or youtube does. One of the ways include ASL, which is why they're keeping it up for now though it is inevitably in the red.
None of the parties involved are emotional entities, though they might try to fool people into thinking they are.
Literally Soo-Gil says nothing of substance in his whole plea,
just "hey, we're the good guys, if only Blizzard will give in, we can have this!"
Vise versa holds true. In my opinion, with all the other greedy stunts he's pulled over the years, Afreeca are probably stubborn about something simple so they can protect their ego, and are resorting to mass rage since Blizzard won't take their shit. I'm quoting this because it seems like one of the more levelheaded non-emotional responses in the thread. These are big companies, it's unlikely morality is a point of discussion aside from technical legality and "do we think this will piss people off to a degree that we're going to lose money over it?" I don't completely understand how this is one of the more levelheaded responses when it is far more leaps than most people in this thread are making on top of just being on the other side of the coin in the blame game. People are just wondering exactly how Blizzard can say they want to see more tournaments come up and flourish with the release of Remastered, and then charge such an incredible licensing fee that the most suitable company to do so isn't even able to. I think that is a legitimate concern and question that people have a right to ask, and is not inflammatory in any way or taking anything out of context. It also seems a lot less gratuitous than claiming the Afreeca CEO is on a burning ship and solely wants cheaper rights to keep his platform afloat. Oh, how malicious. How evil. Please charge them up the ass, cause how dare Afreeca want to survive as a company. OK good posts dudes. How did you learn what he wants ? I didn't learn anything from his statement. He can't afford ASL5 so what now ? Pressure Blizzard to do what ? Sponsor his company ? He doesn't say anything specific, just a vague statement that will turn people against his "partners". Using the fans in the negotiation process is just a cheap shot. Its not about Blizzard paying for ASL but letting Afreeca pay less to start ASL. First of all you dont know that. And second, giving them money and allowing them to run the tournament for less money is the exact same thing.
It's not the exact same thing. There is actually a very big difference you're overlooking.
If Afreeca doesn't host another tournament, then Blizzard doesn't make any money. If Blizzard cuts the price (lets say its 80k) in half and Afreeca agrees to host another tournament by your logic they just gave away 40k, but in reality they just earned 40k.
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On January 20 2018 08:23 Saechiis wrote:
It's levelheaded in that it approaches these companies as money making machines that only make moral arguments when it suits their cause.
Nowhere in the quote does it say ASL5 can't start because Afreeca can't pay the (outrageous) licensing fee, that's conjecture. The only tangible information we get is that Afreeca is losing money on BW and that they hold Blizzard responsible in some way for not being able to proceed with ASL5.
If Afreeca can't pay the agreed fee then it's not in Blizzards interests to continue on. They've made their nostalgia-buck with Remastered and isn't expected to reach new audiences with the exposure. It could be that Afreeca is trying to renegotiate for a lesser fee or that they've requested funding. We can't really conclude it's just Blizzard being unreasonable.
Okay so you assume that the absurd licensing fee being a reason that ASL 5 hasn't started is conjecture, yet you praise a post with 0 proof that Afreeca is pulling some publicity stunt to pressure Blizzard in part due to being a "money making machine that only makes moral arguments when it suits their cause." The statement by the CEO of Afreeca literally says "It's true, in terms of just business, ASL is in the red, and our world first APL is also deeply in the red." and we have information that the license to host a tournament at this scale may have costed a steep amount in the past. Source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/525290-information-from-korea?page=33#651
And then you have statements made by the Afreeca CEO like this:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/525290-information-from-korea?page=69#1370
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/525290-information-from-korea?page=72#1429
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/525290-information-from-korea?page=73#1458
Yeah, along with the information provided and then looking at Blizzard's history with the actions they made in their other games when it came to the progaming scenes (Look at what they did with the Overwatch scene) you can easily make a strong assumption that Blizzard is being difficult in some way, shape, or form even if you don't want to believe that the Afreeca CEO is being 100% truthful. To be honest, I don't even understand your point. I don't know if you're posts are just pure white noise that are trying to iterate a really pointless side of "Afreeca probably has a vested interested in Brood War doing well for their company" which every single person knew before even clicking this thread, or you're on some wack conspiracy where this is corporate intimidation, which is even more outlandish than what 98% of people in this thread are suggesting.
Edit: Since I know people don't research anything, I'll post the similarities:
https://compete.kotaku.com/four-pro-gaming-teams-drop-overwatch-in-one-week-1795069779
http://www.espn.com.au/esports/story/_/id/19347153/teams-hesitant-buy-overwatch-league-due-high-cost-undesirable-contract-terms
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On January 20 2018 09:31 Li_Xin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 08:57 Pr0wler wrote:On January 20 2018 08:31 [AS]Rattus wrote:On January 20 2018 08:23 Pr0wler wrote:On January 20 2018 06:50 SCC-Faust wrote:On January 20 2018 06:31 Saechiis wrote:On January 20 2018 04:34 RCCar wrote:
Nice meme. Its still business. Just that Afreeca has invested too much into SCBW to back out now. They used to almost exclusively have BW streamers and capitalized on their monopoly. Now, BW is getting less popular in Korea, old progamers are starting to play PUBG, and many of them are simultaneously broadcasting to youtube and twitch, ultimately better optimized platforms. Afreeca tried to regulate the migration, but came under heavy fire and had to give up.
They aren't getting back what they invested into BW, and they are too late to jump on the PUBG progaming train, so they have no choice but to pretend they care about their bw streamers more than twitch or youtube does. One of the ways include ASL, which is why they're keeping it up for now though it is inevitably in the red.
None of the parties involved are emotional entities, though they might try to fool people into thinking they are.
Literally Soo-Gil says nothing of substance in his whole plea,
just "hey, we're the good guys, if only Blizzard will give in, we can have this!"
Vise versa holds true. In my opinion, with all the other greedy stunts he's pulled over the years, Afreeca are probably stubborn about something simple so they can protect their ego, and are resorting to mass rage since Blizzard won't take their shit. I'm quoting this because it seems like one of the more levelheaded non-emotional responses in the thread. These are big companies, it's unlikely morality is a point of discussion aside from technical legality and "do we think this will piss people off to a degree that we're going to lose money over it?" I don't completely understand how this is one of the more levelheaded responses when it is far more leaps than most people in this thread are making on top of just being on the other side of the coin in the blame game. People are just wondering exactly how Blizzard can say they want to see more tournaments come up and flourish with the release of Remastered, and then charge such an incredible licensing fee that the most suitable company to do so isn't even able to. I think that is a legitimate concern and question that people have a right to ask, and is not inflammatory in any way or taking anything out of context. It also seems a lot less gratuitous than claiming the Afreeca CEO is on a burning ship and solely wants cheaper rights to keep his platform afloat. Oh, how malicious. How evil. Please charge them up the ass, cause how dare Afreeca want to survive as a company. OK good posts dudes. How did you learn what he wants ? I didn't learn anything from his statement. He can't afford ASL5 so what now ? Pressure Blizzard to do what ? Sponsor his company ? He doesn't say anything specific, just a vague statement that will turn people against his "partners". Using the fans in the negotiation process is just a cheap shot. Its not about Blizzard paying for ASL but letting Afreeca pay less to start ASL. First of all you dont know that. And second, giving them money and allowing them to run the tournament for less money is the exact same thing. It's not the exact same thing. There is actually a very big difference you're overlooking. If Afreeca doesn't host another tournament, then Blizzard doesn't make any money. If Blizzard cuts the price (lets say its 80k) in half and Afreeca agrees to host another tournament by your logic they just gave away 40k, but in reality they just earned 40k.
Or Blizzard just makes a deal with another company that is willing to pay 80k. Without any information you can speculate as much as you want... That doesn't make Afreeca CEO's actions more acceptable.
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Even if they had a deal with another company, ASL 5 not taking place would still result in 40k less income. So yeah, they are giving away 40k no matter what.
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On January 20 2018 10:17 ortseam wrote:
Even if they had a deal with another company, ASL 5 not taking place would still result in 40k less income. So yeah, they are giving away 40k no matter what.
No they are not, because nothing of what you are saying is actually happening.
In the real world, you have a guy that is making an appeal towards a group of people to "pressure" another company to give him a better deal(in some unknown way).
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On January 20 2018 03:00 DSK wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2018 23:29 Ansibled wrote:On January 19 2018 17:16 DSK wrote:
Happy to sign a petition or make a tweet, point the way. Is it a hail mary idea to ask Jim Sterling to look into this and make a vid?.
OpenBW can't come soon enough!. I'm confused what exactly is OpenBW supposed to change? + Show Spoiler +From OpenBW FAQ FAQ Here is a list of… well… not frequently asked questions, because we don’t have any yet. Rather it is a list of questions we anticipate people would like to know the answer to. So without further ado: Q: Is this legal? A: Good question! Let us elaborate a bit: We are thankful to Blizzard for creating such an amazing game as the original StarCraft Brood War. We also perfectly understand the entrepreneurial risk involved and agree that investors are entitled to a return as a reward for taking financial risks. We therefore condemn piracy and copyright infringement. We are careful not to violate any law and strongly encourage you to do the same. Please note for example, that game rules cannot be protected in the United States, where the original Brood Wars was developed. Furthermore, the entire code base of the core engine is written by us. It does not contain any proprietary code. Unfortunately artwork (graphics) and sounds are protected. We respect this by a) developing our own graphics and b) requiring users of the original graphics to own a legal copy of Brood War. Such a copy can be obtained here: https://us.battle.net/shop/en/product/starcraftIf it isn't a blizzard owned IP and by extension copyrighted, things like fees for hosting tourneys go out of the window. It's open source, and if all goes well means more tourneys. Touch wood. That is my understanding. Hope this clarifies my point.
openBW is just a modern engine recreation. You still need to obtain (legally) a copy of brood war if you wish to play it. Tournaments would still run Brood War. Therefore, you'd still need to shell out cash to blizzard to run a major tournament as you're always using their IP.
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