On January 20 2018 10:17 ortseam wrote: Even if they had a deal with another company, ASL 5 not taking place would still result in 40k less income. So yeah, they are giving away 40k no matter what.
No they are not, because nothing of what you are saying is actually happening. In the real world, you have a guy that is making an appeal towards a group of people to "pressure" another company to give him a better deal(in some unknown way).
Saddening. Kinda wished 'the certain game company' never let corporation's greedy hands to meddle so much with it. I wish it remained a small company, like the pre-wow era.
BW is one of if not -the- greatest games of all time. Blizzard makes boatloads of cash off their other, newer titles.
Why in the world would they mind sinking some chips into their legendary game that got them on the map? I mean, they're not doing shit for WC3 or Diablo, so why not choose one classic game to keep going forever? It's a hallmark game. It's like Zelda: Ocarina of Time or Super Mario. Just something that can't die.
The company can afford things like this. And that's the worst case scenario. I'm sure additional avenues could be found to make ASL more profitable. This is just inexcusable.
On January 20 2018 11:36 RogerChillingworth wrote: BW is one of if not -the- greatest games of all time. Blizzard makes boatloads of cash off their other, newer titles.
Why in the world would they mind sinking some chips into their legendary game that got them on the map? I mean, they're not doing shit for WC3 or Diablo, so why not choose one classic game to keep going forever? It's a hallmark game. It's like Zelda: Ocarina of Time or Super Mario. Just something that can't die.
The company can afford things like this. And that's the worst case scenario. I'm sure additional avenues could be found to make ASL more profitable. This is just inexcusable.
I think blizzard assumes the only way we could like the tragedy that is starcraft 2 and not demand a warcraft 4 is if they completely kill the only good 1v1 game they've ever made, broodwar
WC3 was a good game, but not for 1v1, the meta is fairly stale and it was never balanced, still head and shoulders above their most recent mess though.
What was the situation with Blizzard and tournaments during the years before 2017?
Was there always a fee to host a tournament?
What were the properties of a tournament that would require you to ask Blizzard for permission and pay a fee? I assume if you wanted to host a tour for your three friends and your grandmother, they would let you pass.
What would happen if you hosted a big tournament and did not pay?
i think basically you could just host a tourney and whatever <= clearly the best situation well if it doesn't involve money anybody can host whatever tourney ofc..... if it does... i dont even know whatever laws there might be about that and that differ in many variations depending on country @@ in the case of blizzard with SC:R / ASL I think blizzard should give money rather than take, really or just leave it alone or run ASL with 1.16 ?_? (non commercialized version?)
what does the law actually say in korea about this? and american law? i wonder
the goal of the company could very well be and have been to maintain focus in a forced way on the current games out of which they make more money or advertise more easily or whatever
I think blizzard should give money rather than take, really
I can't confirm where I heard this information, but from what I understand Blizzard put a considerable amount towards both of those Twitch events. I asked people about whether or not they could talk about smaller tournaments to drive traffic to the foreign community smaller events, but they wasn't allowed due to Blizzard ruling.
1 ) Find loopholes in the law. Organize tournaments without any official prize money, and instead do a meaningless fake competition (a 100m dash, who knows...) straight after the actual tournament, and coincidentally have everyone finish in the respective places they had in the starcraft tournament.
On January 20 2018 22:11 B-royal wrote: Maybe it's time to get down and dirty.
1 ) Find loopholes in the law. Organize tournaments without any official prize money, and instead do a meaningless fake competition (a 100m dash, who knows...) straight after the actual tournament, and coincidentally have everyone finish in the respective places they had in the starcraft tournament.
On January 20 2018 11:36 RogerChillingworth wrote: BW is one of if not -the- greatest games of all time. Blizzard makes boatloads of cash off their other, newer titles.
Why in the world would they mind sinking some chips into their legendary game that got them on the map? I mean, they're not doing shit for WC3 or Diablo, so why not choose one classic game to keep going forever? It's a hallmark game. It's like Zelda: Ocarina of Time or Super Mario. Just something that can't die.
The company can afford things like this. And that's the worst case scenario. I'm sure additional avenues could be found to make ASL more profitable. This is just inexcusable.
It's levelheaded in that it approaches these companies as money making machines that only make moral arguments when it suits their cause.
Nowhere in the quote does it say ASL5 can't start because Afreeca can't pay the (outrageous) licensing fee, that's conjecture. The only tangible information we get is that Afreeca is losing money on BW and that they hold Blizzard responsible in some way for not being able to proceed with ASL5.
If Afreeca can't pay the agreed fee then it's not in Blizzards interests to continue on. They've made their nostalgia-buck with Remastered and isn't expected to reach new audiences with the exposure. It could be that Afreeca is trying to renegotiate for a lesser fee or that they've requested funding. We can't really conclude it's just Blizzard being unreasonable.
Okay so you assume that the absurd licensing fee being a reason that ASL 5 hasn't started is conjecture, yet you praise a post with 0 proof that Afreeca is pulling some publicity stunt to pressure Blizzard in part due to being a "money making machine that only makes moral arguments when it suits their cause." The statement by the CEO of Afreeca literally says "It's true, in terms of just business, ASL is in the red, and our world first APL is also deeply in the red." and we have information that the license to host a tournament at this scale may have costed a steep amount in the past. Source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/525290-information-from-korea?page=33#651
Yeah, along with the information provided and then looking at Blizzard's history with the actions they made in their other games when it came to the progaming scenes (Look at what they did with the Overwatch scene) you can easily make a strong assumption that Blizzard is being difficult in some way, shape, or form even if you don't want to believe that the Afreeca CEO is being 100% truthful. To be honest, I don't even understand your point. I don't know if you're posts are just pure white noise that are trying to iterate a really pointless side of "Afreeca probably has a vested interested in Brood War doing well for their company" which every single person knew before even clicking this thread, or you're on some wack conspiracy where this is corporate intimidation, which is even more outlandish than what 98% of people in this thread are suggesting.
A strong assumption is still an assumption. People in this thread are very easily emotionally manipulated into finding fault with Blizzard when we don't have any tangible information to go off. I'd take the Afreeca CEO's words with a Style Start Sbenu.
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