EPTI don't think OpenBW and Shield Battery are gonna ever be finished. They are chimeras. Meaning they are hyped up but won't ever be finished. Broodwar has had a lot of chimeras over the years of things to great to be true.
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Alpha-NP-
United States1242 Posts
I don't think OpenBW and Shield Battery are gonna ever be finished. They are chimeras. Meaning they are hyped up but won't ever be finished. Broodwar has had a lot of chimeras over the years of things to great to be true. | ||
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DSK
England1110 Posts
On January 19 2018 23:29 Ansibled wrote: I'm confused what exactly is OpenBW supposed to change? + Show Spoiler + From OpenBW FAQ FAQ Here is a list of… well… not frequently asked questions, because we don’t have any yet. Rather it is a list of questions we anticipate people would like to know the answer to. So without further ado: Q: Is this legal? A: Good question! Let us elaborate a bit: We are thankful to Blizzard for creating such an amazing game as the original StarCraft Brood War. We also perfectly understand the entrepreneurial risk involved and agree that investors are entitled to a return as a reward for taking financial risks. We therefore condemn piracy and copyright infringement. We are careful not to violate any law and strongly encourage you to do the same. Please note for example, that game rules cannot be protected in the United States, where the original Brood Wars was developed. Furthermore, the entire code base of the core engine is written by us. It does not contain any proprietary code. Unfortunately artwork (graphics) and sounds are protected. We respect this by a) developing our own graphics and b) requiring users of the original graphics to own a legal copy of Brood War. Such a copy can be obtained here: https://us.battle.net/shop/en/product/starcraft If it isn't a blizzard owned IP and by extension copyrighted, things like fees for hosting tourneys go out of the window. It's open source, and if all goes well means more tourneys. Touch wood. That is my understanding. Hope this clarifies my point. | ||
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duke91
Germany1458 Posts
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Jealous
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On January 20 2018 02:51 Alpha-NP- wrote: I'd also like to encourage people to post on the Blizzard forums. We will see if Blizzard actually listens to fans like they claim to do so. Also, making a petition is not a bad idea. I don't think OpenBW and Shield Battery are gonna ever be finished. They are chimeras. Meaning they are hyped up but won't ever be finished. Broodwar has had a lot of chimeras over the years of things to great to be true. I imagine the release of Remastered hurt them both as I said before, but I'm glad that no one values your uninformed and pessimistic opinion and that it has no bearing on the success of these projects. | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On January 20 2018 02:26 Jealous wrote: OpenBW and ShieldBattery are grassroots projects which would have helped the BW scene maintain autonomy so that Blizzard couldn't pull shit like this. Blizzard even gave permission to ShieldBattery (or at least there were talks, if I recall correctly) and then rushed out the buggy product that was PTR and RM, effectively preempting both projects and reclaiming control of the Korean scene which was growing organically. It's hard to say how much of this was intentional but the effects are as you see here. Both these projects are compelling, and it is a damn shame RM seems to have slowed/hurt their development even if I do think it would be much better to have BW consolidated on one platform, but my concern is with this corporate demon Blizzard side (I think the dev team is a pretty decent group of dudes). If either of these projects were taken to completion and gained any traction, I just can't see Blizzard not stepping in and shutting them down with IP laws, given their prior and current behavior. Maybe I'm ignorant and these projects are "safe", but both seem pretty blatant copies of BW. | ||
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Jealous
10321 Posts
On January 20 2018 03:41 L_Master wrote: Both these projects are compelling, and it is a damn shame RM seems to have slowed/hurt their development even if I do think it would be much better to have BW consolidated on one platform, but my concern is with this corporate demon Blizzard side (I think the dev team is a pretty decent group of dudes). If either of these projects were taken to completion and gained any traction, I just can't see Blizzard not stepping in and shutting them down with IP laws, given their prior and current behavior. Maybe I'm ignorant and these projects are "safe", but both seem pretty blatant copies of BW. Both require a copy of Brood War to operate and from what I understand were not intended to be sold or to generate profit, all of which to me points to the projects being difficult to justify shutting down entirely (refer to the FAQ answer for OpenBW above and my comment that ShieldBattery team was in contact with Blizzard). | ||
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OrangeGarage
Korea (South)319 Posts
On January 19 2018 13:50 Starlightsun wrote: Maybe they actually care about bw and its fans. Unlike a certain relevant company. Nice meme. Its still business. Just that Afreeca has invested too much into SCBW to back out now. They used to almost exclusively have BW streamers and capitalized on their monopoly. Now, BW is getting less popular in Korea, old progamers are starting to play PUBG, and many of them are simultaneously broadcasting to youtube and twitch, ultimately better optimized platforms. Afreeca tried to regulate the migration, but came under heavy fire and had to give up. They aren't getting back what they invested into BW, and they are too late to jump on the PUBG progaming train, so they have no choice but to pretend they care about their bw streamers more than twitch or youtube does. One of the ways include ASL, which is why they're keeping it up for now though it is inevitably in the red. None of the parties involved are emotional entities, though they might try to fool people into thinking they are. Literally Soo-Gil says nothing of substance in his whole plea, just "hey, we're the good guys, if only Blizzard will give in, we can have this!" Vise versa holds true. In my opinion, with all the other greedy stunts he's pulled over the years, Afreeca are probably stubborn about something simple so they can protect their ego, and are resorting to mass rage since Blizzard won't take their shit. | ||
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Incomplete..ReV
Norway648 Posts
On January 20 2018 02:49 JacktheTerr wrote: ***CALL TO ARMS*** https://us.battle.net/forums/en/starcraft/topic/20760966718 post i made to OPPRESS blizzard we need an army to make a difference. EVERY VOICE MATTERS. Please go post just tell them how you feel and like comments spread the word. the time is now we are the resistance. ***CALL TO ARMS*** Will do! | ||
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SCC-Faust
United States3736 Posts
I don't actually know if it will do anything, but there is really no reason not to hit up twitter/facebook/blizz forums and just say something along the lines of that. Something that evokes feelings in you personally. At worst, nothing happens, but you leave a positive message that steps on no feet, and best, maybe it will inspire Blizzard and Afreeca to work something out. | ||
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Garnet
Vietnam9044 Posts
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Starlightsun
United States1405 Posts
On January 20 2018 04:34 RCCar wrote: None of the parties involved are emotional entities, though they might try to fool people into thinking they are. So let's judge them by their actions then. Afreeca has given us four high quality bw tournaments and many hours of the top pros streaming. They deserve thanks and hopefully financial success for that. Blizzard on the other hand has done what exactly for pro bw? | ||
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yilaoloser
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Cheesefome
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On January 20 2018 04:44 SCC-Faust wrote: Yah, I tweeted to Blizz and made a post in the topic on the starcraft blizz.net forums. I mean, we're a small crowd, but if everyone can do the same, it would be a lot better than being upset or frustrated in this topic. If you're passionate about StarCraft like I am, turn that frustration into action imo.. and as people have said, we don't really know the full situation, so instead of throwing insults or fire, instead just let Blizz know the positive experiences the pro BW scene has on you etc https://twitter.com/faustypoo/status/954379022619770881 I don't actually know if it will do anything, but there is really no reason not to hit up twitter/facebook/blizz forums and just say something along the lines of that. Something that evokes feelings in you personally. At worst, nothing happens, but you leave a positive message that steps on no feet, and best, maybe it will inspire Blizzard and Afreeca to work something out. Everyone like the tweet above please!!!! | ||
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Alpha-NP-
United States1242 Posts
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JacktheTerr
United States97 Posts
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Jealous
10321 Posts
On January 20 2018 06:07 JacktheTerr wrote: too funny not to share Yoooooooo lollll | ||
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Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
On January 20 2018 04:34 RCCar wrote: Nice meme. Its still business. Just that Afreeca has invested too much into SCBW to back out now. They used to almost exclusively have BW streamers and capitalized on their monopoly. Now, BW is getting less popular in Korea, old progamers are starting to play PUBG, and many of them are simultaneously broadcasting to youtube and twitch, ultimately better optimized platforms. Afreeca tried to regulate the migration, but came under heavy fire and had to give up. They aren't getting back what they invested into BW, and they are too late to jump on the PUBG progaming train, so they have no choice but to pretend they care about their bw streamers more than twitch or youtube does. One of the ways include ASL, which is why they're keeping it up for now though it is inevitably in the red. None of the parties involved are emotional entities, though they might try to fool people into thinking they are. Literally Soo-Gil says nothing of substance in his whole plea, just "hey, we're the good guys, if only Blizzard will give in, we can have this!" Vise versa holds true. In my opinion, with all the other greedy stunts he's pulled over the years, Afreeca are probably stubborn about something simple so they can protect their ego, and are resorting to mass rage since Blizzard won't take their shit. I'm quoting this because it seems like one of the more levelheaded non-emotional responses in the thread. These are big companies, it's unlikely morality is a point of discussion aside from technical legality and "do we think this will piss people off to a degree that we're going to lose money over it?" | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On January 20 2018 05:04 Starlightsun wrote: So let's judge them by their actions then. Afreeca has given us four high quality bw tournaments and many hours of the top pros streaming. They deserve thanks and hopefully financial success for that. Blizzard on the other hand has done what exactly for pro bw? Uhm, not sure how to word it. The release of the game? I know what and how you mean it but this shitting on Blizzard is way too much for me. All we have si a vague statement of 1 side and silence on the other side. How do you know you're standing on the good side? | ||
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SCC-Faust
United States3736 Posts
On January 20 2018 06:31 Saechiis wrote: I'm quoting this because it seems like one of the more levelheaded non-emotional responses in the thread. These are big companies, it's unlikely morality is a point of discussion aside from technical legality and "do we think this will piss people off to a degree that we're going to lose money over it?" I don't completely understand how this is one of the more levelheaded responses when it is far more leaps than most people in this thread are making on top of just being on the other side of the coin in the blame game. People are just wondering exactly how Blizzard can say they want to see more tournaments come up and flourish with the release of Remastered, and then charge such an incredible licensing fee that the most suitable company to do so isn't even able to. I think that is a legitimate concern and question that people have a right to ask, and is not inflammatory in any way or taking anything out of context. It also seems a lot less gratuitous than claiming the Afreeca CEO is on a burning ship and solely wants cheaper rights to keep his platform afloat. Oh, how malicious. How evil. Please charge them up the ass, cause how dare Afreeca want to survive as a company. OK good posts dudes. | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
Maybe it's because I'm not sure how the ASL actually works. Does Blizzard spend money for ASL to exist? Does it cost them anything? Or is this an issue where Blizzard gets paid by Afreeca for "letting them use broodwar" and they wan't more money than ASL will give them? Are they afraid that BW, from which they might not be able to make a lot of money from, will compete with their other games? As I see it, BW is 20 years old and if Blizzard can't make a lot of money with it they should just let it go. Remember that bad PR is not good for business. From a business perspective, letting BW free would give Blizzard positive PR with the downside of not being able to directly make money from a 20 year old game. Upside outweighs the downside for Blizzard in my opinion. PR is valuable. | ||
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