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Blizzard's Response: https://us.battle.net/forums/en/starcraft/topic/20760966718?page=9#post-166
baiesradu
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Romania150 Posts
January 19 2018 07:40 GMT
#101
@ Incomplet Rev .the email address I used is not monitored by anyone. I got a reply from Blizzard saying so.

I posted on their facebook page and tweeted that email to Blizzard.
I searched for an hour for a way to get in contact with Blizzard support . I found nothing yet .

Your plan sound a lot better than what I did. I'm on board .

There's also a thread I found on battle net . There is a link somewhere here. I posted there too .
I love Starcraft .
juvenal
Profile Joined July 2013
2448 Posts
January 19 2018 08:08 GMT
#102
Yo Blizzard, you hear me? No, not you, dev team. Yes, you, fat fucks craving money and making decisions, fuck you, suck a dick.

User was warned for this post.
Michael Probu
DSK
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
England1110 Posts
January 19 2018 08:16 GMT
#103
Happy to sign a petition or make a tweet, point the way. Is it a hail mary idea to ask Jim Sterling to look into this and make a vid?.


OpenBW can't come soon enough!.
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Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-19 08:37:40
January 19 2018 08:28 GMT
#104
Amy Morhaime (nee Chen) is the Senior Global Director for Blizzard eSports at Blizzard Entertainment, and also runs Business Ops for Heroes of the Storm and SC2.

Seems someone in her group would be the right person to send a letter to. I'd email her directly (politely mind you since she might have no knowledge or responsibility regarding the details) and ask who we should reach out to as a community on this subject. If she defaults to community management you should let her know that we have already tried that and gotten an unsatisfactory response.

My sense is that their group has bigger fish to fry than SCR or ASL so whoever is responsible for SCR/ASL is trying to look good by being extra tough so they can get promoted into another role.... aka standard corporate BS.

EDIT (added so the mods here don't have a heart attack): Do not PM me or any TL user or discuss in this thread about what Amy's email or other contact information might be (or contact info for any Blizz employee for that matter).
Что?
PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5221 Posts
January 19 2018 08:34 GMT
#105
Good God I can't even imagine the frustration of Afreeca.tv CEO Kevin. Very good of him to call out and I'm looking forward to see how Korean and foreign communities can heed his request
The heart's eternal vow
iamho
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3347 Posts
January 19 2018 08:41 GMT
#106
Every other esports developer spends huge amounts of money supporting their esports scenes.. meanwhile Blizzard has spent the 5 years actively trying to kill BW just to milk a few coins out in licensing fees.

On the plus side, at least the Overwatch League is shaping up to be a massive failure.
fazek42
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Hungary438 Posts
January 19 2018 08:54 GMT
#107
#*&@] @&#∂∂∂∂###!!! (expressing support towards Afreeca and burning hot outrage and hate towards Blizzard decision makers. Put the dev team in charge of Brood War related decisions!
Circumstance
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States11403 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-19 09:31:23
January 19 2018 09:29 GMT
#108
EDIT: Saw it in Community News, didn't see where it was posted, removing comment to avoid a strike because I know how the rules are enforced.
The world is better when every background has a chance.
kajtarp
Profile Joined April 2011
Hungary483 Posts
January 19 2018 09:48 GMT
#109
On January 19 2018 15:15 FlaShFTW wrote:
First off, to those people who are currently telling us to move on, remember where you are. This place, teamliquid, was built off of Starcraft since 2006. Do not tell us to move on. If you don't like that we're die hard fans, then leave.

Second, is there some kind of petition we can sign or mass tweet @Blizzard that we could do? So far I only see complaining, but I want a plan to actually get rolled out so we can try to push the issue into the spotlight so Blizzard can try to see some reason.


That is such a bullshit. I never understand why people tell others to move on. In the end we all want use our free time for stuff we enjoy the most. Why should anyone have less fun if theres the possibility to have more fun?

I don't play SC games just watch the Korean tournaments, i play Arena FPS games. Mainly Unreal Tournament. It was released in 1999 so just 1 or 1,5 years "younger" compared to BW and we still play it. Yes, i also play its 2004 iteration which is also considered outdated by such people for sure, and also play the current game under development (unreal tournament pre-alpha if you want to google it). Yeah, the youngest game is the shittiest by far, so many of the few players left simply can't be arsed to switch.

The reason we keep playing a 19 year old game is simply that is one of the best game ever made. Compared to its age it doesn't even look bad actually. obviously the game doesn't have more then a few hundreds players left, or maybe a few thousand worldwide. But we know where to meet (various places at discord and irc) so we can always get a game going. Thank god it doesn't have any centralized services that a company can shut down for financial reasons. So as long as any server company is willing to host UT servers, or somebody is willing to place a PC inside a server farm we will have the option to have servers and play it. They cannot take it away from us.

So i can totally understand BW fans not wanting to move on. Some games are just timeless.

As for financial view i don't understand why blizzard won't give a cut from that 100.000 usd/eur whatever. If companies find it too much then maybe the game is not in that state to claim this money. First i would help them to grow, than after they could get that money many times. Like a trial period or something.
Why so serious?
Traz
Profile Joined August 2011
Netherlands23 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-19 09:58:35
January 19 2018 09:53 GMT
#110
As much as I understand the sentiment of everybody wanting this to take place (myself included) it saddens me to see this largely unfounded anger towards Blizzard. A lot of information are being stated as fact without any sources or validation being available.
As stated by the CEO, ASL has been in the red, which can have multiple causes, but it is likely that profitability is one of them.
That being said, the business impact that ASL has for AfreecaTV, potentially extents beyond the ASL itself, and can help boost revenue in other areas. It is not uncommon to make sacrifices on one side of the business in order to profit (more) on another side. What I suspect based on what is available right now, is that the intent is to make ASL profitable, regardless of the impact on other business areas.

The absence of details in the "call for pressure" post makes me rather sceptic though. The more details that are made available to us, the easier it is to win the fanbase for AfreecaTV, and the easier it becomes to apply pressure towards Blizzard. Based on what I have been able to find on this situation so far, and in particular the lack of information in the post itself, or other sources, it is just as easy to say that AfreecaTV is making totally unrealistic requests towards Blizzard, and that they are solely to blame for the fact that ASL5 has such a hard time to get off the ground. The truth probably is somewhere in the middle.
Zrana1
Profile Joined February 2017
Netherlands45 Posts
January 19 2018 10:19 GMT
#111
So Blizzard releases an HD remake for all these people's favourite game, and then suddenly everyone thinks they aren't prepared to invest money in it? Something is off..
PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5221 Posts
January 19 2018 10:34 GMT
#112
On January 19 2018 19:19 Zrana1 wrote:
So Blizzard releases an HD remake for all these people's favourite game, and then suddenly everyone thinks they aren't prepared to invest money in it? Something is off..

Blizzard is off. And by a nautical mile if not more.
The heart's eternal vow
kogeT
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2038 Posts
January 19 2018 10:48 GMT
#113
Blizzard please.. stop acting like a corporate money-making-machine and think about your fans and supporters as you did in the past..
https://www.twitch.tv/kogetbw
Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3683 Posts
January 19 2018 11:06 GMT
#114
Well guess it's time to get banned on the official forums.

I really don't understand how your "love letter to the community" includes refusing 2x ATBs and now even an ASL. And that is just the stuff we know for sure. Another SSL classic + a new OSL might have also been canceled due to blizzard. Did you guys release remastered to let brood war die?
Freakling
Profile Joined October 2012
Germany1529 Posts
January 19 2018 11:22 GMT
#115
Why is he constantly referring to Blizzard as "the relevant game company"? Certainly not for any kind of discretion as there can be no possible doubt as to who is implicated. Sounds more like some weird passive-aggressive stance. And what exactly are Blizzard doing to prevent those tourneys? Is it just about too high licensing fees or are refusing licensing altogether? As long as there is no open communication about the actual issue, it is hard to see where the problem even is…
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37024 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-19 16:10:47
January 19 2018 12:57 GMT
#116
On January 19 2018 15:15 FlaShFTW wrote:
First off, to those people who are currently telling us to move on, remember where you are. This place, teamliquid, was built off of Starcraft since 2006. Do not tell us to move on. If you don't like that we're die hard fans, then leave.

Second, is there some kind of petition we can sign or mass tweet @Blizzard that we could do? So far I only see complaining, but I want a plan to actually get rolled out so we can try to push the issue into the spotlight so Blizzard can try to see some reason.

Since 2006? Uhh... You might want to check that again bud
TL's been around way freakin' longer than that.
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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Deleted User 26513
Profile Joined February 2007
2376 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-19 13:39:46
January 19 2018 13:16 GMT
#117
So basically this guy is trying to twist the arms of a "relevant company" by manipulating the fan base, that is not really friendly towards that "relevant company" in the first place, with vague and unclear message. Good for him, I wonder how will this play out.

I any case asking the fans to pressure someone for something is not the smartest thing to do... It reminds me of the "mail the sponsors" attitude in some other communities.
c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11286 Posts
January 19 2018 13:53 GMT
#118
On January 19 2018 21:57 Seeker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2018 15:15 FlaShFTW wrote:
First off, to those people who are currently telling us to move on, remember where you are. This place, teamliquid, was built off of Starcraft since 2006. Do not tell us to move on. If you don't like that we're die hard fans, then leave.

Second, is there some kind of petition we can sign or mass tweet @Blizzard that we could do? So far I only see complaining, but I want a plan to actually get rolled out so we can try to push the issue into the spotlight so Blizzard can try to see some reason.

Since 2006? Uhh... You might want to check that again bud
TL's been around way freakin' longer than that.

So you're saying you registered on TL before it was created in 2006???

+ Show Spoiler +
I'm joking of course, cheers ^_^


Whatever is actually happening behind closed doors, just get your shit together so there can be more premier BW.
WriterMovie, 진영화 : "StarCraft will never die".
esdf
Profile Joined December 2012
Croatia736 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-19 14:05:36
January 19 2018 14:02 GMT
#119
Didn't expect to get shit on by Blizzard so soon after I took a leap of faith and pre-ordered the horrible remastered edition.

Guess there's a first time for everything.

Blizzard killing BW since Wings of Liberty.
why do you not believe it? the legend has alived!
EndingLife
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States1594 Posts
January 19 2018 14:17 GMT
#120
On January 19 2018 15:15 FlaShFTW wrote:
First off, to those people who are currently telling us to move on, remember where you are. This place, teamliquid, was built off of Starcraft since 2006. Do not tell us to move on. If you don't like that we're die hard fans, then leave.

Second, is there some kind of petition we can sign or mass tweet @Blizzard that we could do? So far I only see complaining, but I want a plan to actually get rolled out so we can try to push the issue into the spotlight so Blizzard can try to see some reason.

I remember joining TeamLiquid.cjb.net in around 2001 or 2002.
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