Day[9] talks Brood War hype, plans for new series - Page 4

On April 15 2017 23:34 neptunusfisk wrote:


Exactly what I'm thinking. And Bisu, Effort, Stork, Best, Zero, Soulkey, Rain, Last, Jangbi and basically every pro in the scene

On April 15 2017 22:13 Cele wrote:


i didn't fault them for coming back to Broodwar, i'd never would. I was a great fan of all those mentioned, i still am. I was a great fan of yours too by the way.
I talked about hypocrisy. About statements that contradict each other, saying in one phrase "Broodwar is the greatest game ever" then Starcraft 2, then same back again. I understand that for a good deal. Being a professional caster brings along certain necessities, also the necessity to produce a lot of hype. Still it leaves me with a feeling of being unauthentic i cannot completely shake off.

By comparison, you are right. Broodwar was dead. But it wasn't objectivly. We had major tournaments in the west with prize pools, glory and all the good things from the past. We tried to keep it going. I tried to keep it going. And tho my part might be very small, i knew how much time and effort i put in and and others who put in way more. I was here in the "dark times" between hybrid proleague up until the most recent amouncement of SC:R. I knew the people who ran Gambit Cups, Team Liquid Leagcy Starleague, ICCup Nation League, defiler tours, esports-betting.pro Nationleague and countless dozens other events. I know the people who casted all the SSL's in english when nobody was around to do it professional. I know the admins who ran ICCup with no ressources, who moderated Teamliquid with little help, who held together the russian, polish, german, american, latin american player base. I know the coders who made the plugins and updates so we could play. Yes it was nothing compared to Starcraft 2, we had no financial backing or sponsor interest. Yet we did it in our free time, after studying, after working, with our own money as pirze, with or self written scripts for software.

These people made it possible that SC:R was met by a small, yet existing player base of fans. Not Artosis, not Day9.
Don't misunderstand me. Nobody is more glad to see them back then me. I was the biggest fanboy the world ever saw, it makes me genuinly happy to reply to a post of yours in 2017. Seeing Artosis making a camcorder video of your run at Courage on Korea was the greatest for me. I was in grief when Tyler beat Dissy in TSL 2.

Yet, i feel i am entitled to a opinion in these matters.

On April 16 2017 01:32 Seri wrote:


Nope, Bisu and Stork from the get go were pretty much open about they're feelings towards SC2. They never enjoyed it and as soon as they could they switched back to BW. Stork and Jangbi pretty much switched back straight after hybrid league ended. Flash and Jaedong tried to give SC2 a bigger chance. It's a bit different from Day9 who switched from a player to a caster when sc2 came out. Still I'm glad he's making BW content again.

On April 16 2017 01:32 Seri wrote:


Nope, Bisu and Stork from the get go were pretty much open about they're feelings towards SC2. They never enjoyed it and as soon as they could they switched back to BW. Stork and Jangbi pretty much switched back straight after hybrid league ended. Flash and Jaedong tried to give SC2 a bigger chance. It's a bit different from Day9 who switched from a player to a caster when sc2 came out. Still I'm glad he's making BW content again.

On April 16 2017 01:52 marcesr wrote:
Doing esports full-time is an incredibly hard business and Day9 has put in so many years of voluntary work. Blaming him for a lack of passion or hypocrisy is beyond ridiculous.

I started playing BW when SC2 was first announced, back then I was called a casual by people with a mindset alike yours. People told me I wasnt a true BW fan because I jumped on the hypetrain caused by SC2. Nowadays these comments sound extremely silly to me, Im pretty sure you as well will come back in 5 years and consider your current opinion quite ignorant.

On April 16 2017 01:41 B-royal wrote:
The only thing that bothers me slightly about Day9 is as LRM)Technics mentioned: Why not stream/cast a couple of games once every few months or a few times a year?

On April 15 2017 23:24 LRM)TechnicS wrote:
I am completely okay with DAy[9] playing and streaming whatever game he wants for whatever reasons.

What I am completely not okay with though is praising his tweets throughout the years as BW content. Sure, it might had spread the popularity of the old game a bit. But I think there's nothing that stopped him from providing an indepth analysis of a game or a series of games that he really really liked say once or twice a year. I mean there were amazing tournament and streamed games out there already to pick from already even before Bisu returned. This or anything BW related.

My impression is that he mostly streamed playing anything but BW as well. Some games every 3 months wouldn't have hurt either. Someone more knowledgeable of his streams content might want to fill me in on whether I am correct here or not as I am not a frequent watcher of his streams.

On April 16 2017 02:08 GeckoXp wrote:


You misunderstood the point Cele was making. It's his problem how he gets money, we don't really care too much about that. We don't care he barely covered BW. We care about those, who made profit by other titles, which they might or might not have enjoyed and carry an artificial attitude with their return. It annoys me to no end whenever someone comes back riding the hypetrain, cause it's "in" and it's the "new retro" or another hipster bullshit. I'm not even argueing Day9 enjoys the game, and if he does, he should do it for his own entertainment, not to try to sell made-up nostalgia along the way. That's the entire point of Cele.

Moreover, after what Artosis delivered in his first Korean casts as of late, I can totally relate to anyone preamtively being mad about the fuss that is made, only because some ex-caster returned. There definitely was no bonus for those, who remained. It could be phrased less harshly in Day9's case though.

On April 15 2017 17:43 DickMcFanny wrote:
Isn't it so weird when one brother gets all the brains and the other gets all the looks?

On April 16 2017 02:14 Aylear wrote:

I think it is completely acceptable for him to keep his professional (streaming, video content) life separate from his favorite hobby, and I feel a bit weirded out that some people in this thread give the impression that they feel entitled to free content from a professional. People need to work, and Sean already works hard on his shows and growing his brand and company. A SC/BW series during the dark ages of the game, however sporadic, would have taken time away from the kind of content the majority of his subscribers wanted to see.

On April 16 2017 02:14 Aylear wrote:
Blizzard shat on Brood War during their SC2 promotional campaign, and willfully exacerbated its decline. That period still leaves a bad taste in my mouth, but at no point did I blame the content producers from going to where the viewership was, and to a new and exciting place that had immense growing potential. Most of them just wanted StarCraft to be awesome.

On April 15 2017 21:55 Liquid`Ret wrote:
I dunno how people can fault anyone for moving to SC2 from BW..

Day9, tasteless, artosis, all these other people that get critiziced for the strangest things, had been playing BW, fueled by passion for over a decade by the time SC2 came out and all these oppurtunities to make a living came along.

SC2 is a great game too, it's the most modern RTS out there and it's created a lot of epic moments/gameplay on really big platforms and since it came out Esports has only grown each year....

But for people who literally grew up with brood war, and loved it so much that they travelled the world to play tournaments, and grasp at straws just to be able to do anything for the game they loved, you should only be happy they are coming back at the first chance they get to experience this game again in modern times.

For years, there was hardly a playerbase left, Brood War didn't run well on modern pc's and there were definitely not any tournaments. It was really difficult to come back to try and play that in a completly dead scene, compared to sc2 which had tournaments every month, and wasn't a bad game to begin with.

SC:Remastered is ensuring that there might be a competitive environment for BW again, And I hope to see everyone come back and play because it's going to be fucking awesome. Those people we all grew up with while playing the game with and against each other, they are friends. Throughout the years everyone went their own way, a lot of people in sc2 or other esports related jobs, and a lot of people in academic carreers or other 'real world' carreers. A lot of us lost touch. I look forward to play with all my friends again in a game that all of us love...That's the most exciting part about all of this.

Even though i've played SC2 for 6 years, for me personally, it was never the same as BW. I had a really good time travelling, competing, playing countless tournaments everywhere. Being part of such a highly competitive scene was really fun, no matter what the game was. In the first few years the entire WC3 scene and BW scene came together and everyone tried their best at this new game, it was exciting as hell. Competition is a huge part for anyone who gets into difficult RTS games to try and improve himself. So it didn't matter that the game was sometimes stale, lots of great games were happening too in SC2. But it could never compare to the pure love you felt when you were a child trying to play BW and create art..