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nanaoei
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snailz
Croatia900 Posts
On April 15 2017 17:43 DickMcFanny wrote: Isn't it so weird when one brother gets all the brains and the other gets all the looks? http://i.imgur.com/AgTgv.png On April 15 2017 10:37 Phyanketto wrote: Good! I'm looking forward to him making broodwar easily digestible for people who aren't into it, and I hope he doesn't just tailor it towards SC2 players. yeah cuz ppl that find SC2 too hard compared to other mainstream games will definitely be convinced to try out BW. your community for sure doesnt want guys that are actually already into RTS. no doubt! /s | ||
TheNewEra
Germany3128 Posts
On April 15 2017 16:19 iFU.pauline wrote: So if it was the "best game ever" he would have not left for sc2, just like me and many others for instance, easy enough for you? Were you relying on BW to make a living at that point? This is a honest question because I don't know you. But if not how can you even compare your situation then to his. Anyways I sincerely hope you guys also dislike players like Jaedong, Stork, Flash, Soulkey and Rain if that's your attitude. I for one am happy to see Day9 once again be passionate about BW. | ||
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Zera
Lithuania716 Posts
On April 15 2017 18:24 TheNewEra wrote: Were you relying on BW to make a living at that point? This is a honest question because I don't know you. But if not how can you even compare your situation then to his. Anyways I sincerely hope you guys also dislike players like Jaedong, Stork, Flash, Soulkey and Rain if that's your attitude. I for one am happy to see Day9 once again be passionate about BW. I don't get that attitude either. For me BW is also the best game ever, but recently I play mostly LoL, because all of my friends moved from BW to another games :/ | ||
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merz
Sweden2760 Posts
On April 15 2017 15:33 ninazerg wrote: I like how he's like "StarCraft is the best game ever!", "I've been playing it since 5th grade!", "I can't wait for Brood War to come out!" ...dude, you left for SC2. This is a really weird mindset. People, including myself, left Brood war for SC2 not because it was the better game at that specific time, but because it had potential to be something amazing. It had Blizzard backing it up as an esport, it had a ton of new players, it unified pretty much all genres of RTS-players. It was a chance for a fresh start and to build something from the ground up. I still consider Brood War the best game ever made from an esports perspective. But that doesnt mean no game will ever be able to take its place and I dont get why some people get so over protective about it. Day9 doing BW content again is only positive for the scene so embrace it rather than being negative about it  | ||
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maartendq
Belgium3115 Posts
I also don't agree with Day9's football analogy. Everyone knows that in order to play football, one requires a certain level of physical fitness. It's a part of what sports is. However, Day9 completely retrofits the genre Brood War belongs to, saying it's not really a strategy game, but a "real time"-game, even though it has been advertised as an RTS for the past 20 years. If a game is both advertised and regarded as an RTS, people expect the "S" to play a rather significant role. | ||
2Pacalypse-
Croatia9522 Posts
On April 15 2017 18:52 maartendq wrote: ...people expect the "S" to play a rather significant role. It does. | ||
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JungleTerrain
Chile799 Posts
On April 15 2017 18:52 maartendq wrote: While I'm amazed at the amount of practice people put in to do even the most basic of things in Brood War, I do think that 2017 game design has moved well beyond 1998 game design. Sure there are people who like that some games require you to treat them like a second full time job if you want to become even the slightest bit of proficient at them, but for many other people games like Brood War feel like a fight against a horribly outdated UI and pathing engine. I also don't agree with Day9's football analogy. Everyone knows that in order to play football, one requires a certain level of physical fitness. It's a part of what sports is. However, Day9 completely retrofits the genre Brood War belongs to, saying it's not really a strategy game, but a "real time"-game, even though it has been advertised as an RTS for the past 20 years. If a game is both advertised and regarded as an RTS, people expect the "S" to play a rather significant role. Did you watch the whole video? He says that strategy is still significant, except that in BW, the "real time" aspect is more prevalent. He's basically getting at this notion that the game is imperfectly perfect. And honestly, Blizzard never designed the game to play the way that it does. I would say intended game design has little to do with the success of the game. If anything, Brood War's balance and "greatness" is largely accidental. The whole path-finding AI in the game was literally a series of workarounds and shortcuts to get a unit from point A to point B, and this is why the unit behavior is so erratic and unpredictable. I think a good comparison in this regard is Super Smash Bros. Melee. The reason why it is so popular is because of its mechanical depth (and its evolving meta), and it certainly wasn't designed to be that way. | ||
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KrOjah
United Kingdom68 Posts
On April 15 2017 18:36 dignitas.merz wrote: This is a really weird mindset. People, including myself, left Brood war for SC2 not because it was the better game at that specific time, but because it had potential to be something amazing. It had Blizzard backing it up as an esport, it had a ton of new players, it unified pretty much all genres of RTS-players. It was a chance for a fresh start and to build something from the ground up. I still consider Brood War the best game ever made from an esports perspective. But that doesnt mean no game will ever be able to take its place and I dont get why some people get so over protective about it. Day9 doing BW content again is only positive for the scene so embrace it rather than being negative about it Well said. | ||
EsportsJohn
United States4883 Posts
On April 15 2017 15:33 ninazerg wrote: I like how he's like "StarCraft is the best game ever!", "I've been playing it since 5th grade!", "I can't wait for Brood War to come out!" ...dude, you left for SC2. I wondered this too. If he really loved BW and didn't have the time or interest in playing LotV, why wasn't he doing Brood War content anyway? The only reasonable conclusion I can come to is that Day9 makes a ton of money from streaming and doing videos. While I know that a large portion of his audience loves watching him do anything, it's possible that switching to Brood War would detract a lot of viewers who prefer a fun atmosphere with more modern games. I dunno, I'd still fucking stream BW if I cared that much about it lol. On April 15 2017 17:43 DickMcFanny wrote: Isn't it so weird when one brother gets all the brains and the other gets all the looks? You mean Tasteless and his twin brother, Evil Tasteless? On April 15 2017 18:52 maartendq wrote: While I'm amazed at the amount of practice people put in to do even the most basic of things in Brood War, I do think that 2017 game design has moved well beyond 1998 game design. Sure there are people who like that some games require you to treat them like a second full time job if you want to become even the slightest bit of proficient at them, but for many other people games like Brood War feel like a fight against a horribly outdated UI and pathing engine. I also don't agree with Day9's football analogy. Everyone knows that in order to play football, one requires a certain level of physical fitness. It's a part of what sports is. However, Day9 completely retrofits the genre Brood War belongs to, saying it's not really a strategy game, but a "real time"-game, even though it has been advertised as an RTS for the past 20 years. If a game is both advertised and regarded as an RTS, people expect the "S" to play a rather significant role. Watch the video. Strategy plays an extraordinarily huge role in Brood War. As far as game design goes, Brood War is the pinnacle of genius as far as I'm concerned, especially when you get into the specifics of it. If there's a game from 2010+ that ages as well as Brood War, I'll be quite surprised. | ||
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RouaF
France4120 Posts
. Can I bet his sudden interest will fall down very quickly if his viewerbase doesn't follow ? Better play hearthstone I guess. I don't blame him for going into sc2 but would he come back to bw if there was no hype surrounding the remaster? Does he even watch ASL?Oh well hopefully he can bring a younger audience to bw ^^ | ||
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ionONE
Germany605 Posts
On April 15 2017 19:54 RouaF wrote: Suddenly he's interested in BW again, that's cute . Can I bet his sudden interest will fall down very quickly if his viewerbase doesn't follow ? Better play hearthstone I guess. I don't blame him for going into sc2 but would he come back to bw if there was no hype surrounding the remaster? Does he even watch ASL?Oh well hopefully he can bring a younger audience to bw ^^ But every other month he his tweeting about bw for the last view years. - - - ... The video is a love letter to his favorite game. Hey, i do simracing at the moment and put lots of hours into it, am i still welcome here? | ||
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Endymion
United States3701 Posts
it becomes even more important at a pro level where the "perfect level of play" is beyond human ability, so players generally have to choose how to allocate their attention, making the games dynamic.. it's one of the massive issues that sc2 had back in WoL when it had potential as an rts, the ceiling wast too low so all players blended into one | ||
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gngfn
United States1726 Posts
On April 15 2017 15:33 ninazerg wrote: I like how he's like "StarCraft is the best game ever!", "I've been playing it since 5th grade!", "I can't wait for Brood War to come out!" ...dude, you left for SC2. i went to click the "thank" button but TL doesn't have one | ||
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
On April 15 2017 15:33 ninazerg wrote: I like how he's like "StarCraft is the best game ever!", "I've been playing it since 5th grade!", "I can't wait for Brood War to come out!" ...dude, you left for SC2. True. It is the same stunt Tasteless and Artosis pulled when they started casting Broodwar again. All of the 'celebrities' that were big in broodwar and switched to Sc2 and now switch back have this issue. Many of them said "Broodwar is the greatest game ever" and then "Sc2 is the greatest game ever". Which can be fine, you know? You like Broodwar best and then you switch to the sequel because you like it better. But then coming back to the old game and hyping it again as "best Esports in the history of mankind" or comparable bullshit has to give you the impression that there's some hypocrisy. I had that sentiment very early on with Tastosis after they started casting ASL and i imagine it should be pretty obvious at this point for everybody. At this point, it's not about grudge or anything for me anymore. I just like to have casters who are sincere in their enthusiasm about the game they cast. Who don't go hyperbole and who don't use the superlative when they don't mean it. I'd be fine with, let's say Tasteless saying" Broodwar is a great game, tho i personally like Game XY more." If that's an honest sentiment, it's more meaningful to me then what they cater to us. | ||
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-Kuya
Australia20 Posts
On April 15 2017 20:44 Cele wrote: True. It is the same stunt Tasteless and Artosis pulled when they started casting Broodwar again. All of the 'celebrities' that were big in broodwar and switched to Sc2 and now switch back have this issue. Many of them said "Broodwar is the greatest game ever" and then "Sc2 is the greatest game ever". Which can be fine, you know? You like Broodwar best and then you switch to the sequel because you like it better. But then coming back to the old game and hyping it again as "best Esports in the history of mankind" or comparable bullshit has to give you the impression that there's some hypocrisy. I had that sentiment very early on with Tastosis after they started casting ASL and i imagine it should be pretty obvious at this point for everybody. At this point, it's not about grudge or anything for me anymore. I just like to have casters who are sincere in their enthusiasm about the game they cast. Who don't go hyperbole and who don't use the superlative when they don't mean it. I'd be fine with, let's say Tasteless saying" Broodwar is a great game, tho i personally like Game XY more." If that's an honest sentiment, it's more meaningful to me then what they cater to us. I watched the ASL vods a few weeks ago and tbh you can really tell, especially when comparing to Tasteless' casting of SC2 tournaments, that he really has a bigger heart for BroodWar. I've personally barely seen any footage of him actually playing SC2, whereas we at least know he used to compete in BroodWar. My impression is that this is why he seems more knowledgable/passionate about BroodWar, while still doing a good job with SC2. Artosis on the other hand I believe just loves all things StarCraft, his casting stays pretty much the same. | ||
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DickMcFanny
Ireland1076 Posts
On April 15 2017 18:23 snailz wrote: http://i.imgur.com/AgTgv.png yeah cuz ppl that find SC2 too hard compared to other mainstream games will definitely be convinced to try out BW. your community for sure doesnt want guys that are actually already into RTS. no doubt! /s I mean, look at them now. Tasteless is more handsome than ever whereas Day9 is basically bald. And isn't Tasteless older? What an unfair distribution of genetic wealth. | ||
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RouaF
France4120 Posts
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BonitiilloO
Dominican Republic627 Posts
On April 15 2017 21:09 DickMcFanny wrote: I mean, look at them now. Tasteless is more handsome than ever whereas Day9 is basically bald. And isn't Tasteless older? What an unfair distribution of genetic wealth. day9 doesn't care that much about he personal looking, meanwhile tasteless is more concern about it. | ||
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Shock710
Australia6097 Posts
The esports that he followed and made content for died for a while and in that time he had followed its predecessor hoping for a new and potentially exciting game with roots from his favourite game. Then i guess he lost interest in sc2 because of w/e reasons and stated that he just wanted to chill and play games on stream with his fanbase. How is that not completely fine? he even tweeted that he often watched asl and broodwar leagues like the sonic starleague and etc. What did you want him to do, parade around on all social media at the first sign of bw coming back saying thank god i left sc2 i fucken love bw please forgive me if i ever left...like wtf, some of you guys are completely unreasonable. Its fucken day9 he did more for bw than 99% of the people on TL and by a huge margin. You do not get to go "oh he enjoyed another game for a period of time, thus he can never come back to the game that i play" There shouldnt be any negativity about this. | ||
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