EPTDay[9] talks Brood War hype, plans for new series - Page 5
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tenringer
United States31 Posts
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Aylear
Norway3988 Posts
On April 16 2017 02:20 Waxangel wrote: What if I told you not even Korean fans think Blizzard tried to "kill" BW and accept that 2012 BW was on a steep natural decline? Western BW fans live in a really perverted victimhood bubble Well, I would love to be corrected on any of the following, so if you have something other than a condescending Morpheus quote please send it my way. I didn't say they tried to "kill" BW while cackling maniacally as if they were some cartoony evil conglomerate, I said they exacerbated its decline for profit, and I stand by that claim. After years of doing very little (and later nothing) for the Brood War scene, they suddenly come in (coincidentally during the promotional period for SC2) demanding royalties from OGN and MBC and KeSPA. Once their obviously-going-to-be-declined demands weren't met, Blizzard elected to solely prop up GOMTV as the sole purveyor and leave all of Starcraft's legacy in the dust. In retaliation, KeSPA had their teams and players boycott GOM, and [weasel words incoming] supposedly influenced the ratings board to give SC2 an 18+ rating in Korea. I happen to think the decline of Starcraft (1 and 2) in Korea is a lot more complicated than that (and included a natural decline), but to insinuate that Blizzard didn't put BW through the wringer for the sake of SC2 seems to me to be very disingenuous. | ||
TheNewEra
Germany3128 Posts
On April 16 2017 02:20 Waxangel wrote: What if I told you not even Korean fans think Blizzard tried to "kill" BW and accept that 2012 BW was on a steep natural decline? Western BW fans live in a really perverted victimhood bubble No one has called you a BW hater yet. So far so good!  | ||
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Bengalaas!!
15 Posts
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Aylear
Norway3988 Posts
On April 16 2017 02:42 tenringer wrote: Things are getting kind of heated in here. Can't we all just be excited that BW is coming back in full force? I'm so excited I might cut back on my courseload to get some more BW in. You know what, yeah, I don't really want to argue in this thread any more. People can feel however they want to feel, and I don't want to pretend like they haven't considered my side of the argument. For myself, I'm excited about SC1's resurgence - however mild it might turn out to be - just for its promise of a few more leagues of ASL, SSL, and whatever else comes along. And if Day[9] wants to come back to produce more content for my favorite esports game, I'll be the first to welcome him back. =) | ||
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PharaphobiaSC
Czech Republic457 Posts
On April 16 2017 02:20 Waxangel wrote: What if I told you not even Korean fans think Blizzard tried to "kill" BW and accept that 2012 BW was on a steep natural decline? Western BW fans live in a really perverted victimhood bubble This is the heavy truth blow that they simply wont accept, for them it always will be about looking for some spots to put up SC2 vs BW or BW was killed ignored or whatever... SC:R will just raise the toxicity and elitism level... I almost feel sorry for time spent on the remastered edition after reading this post... | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
On April 15 2017 15:33 ninazerg wrote: I like how he's like "StarCraft is the best game ever!", "I've been playing it since 5th grade!", "I can't wait for Brood War to come out!" ...dude, you left for SC2. he "left" for SC2? games aren't a monogamous relationship, you can play and watch multiple and have ebbs and flows of which ones you play more. Day9 especially can't "stay faithful" (lmao) to Brood War because you simply can't make a living doing it outside Korea. You expect him to beg for food or something because of a misguided notion to never touch another game again? imagine how stupid this mentality would be when applied to literally any other interest or hobby. “I have not watched any True Blood because I am a loyal Game of Thrones fan,” said one StarCraft player. “Though maybe I can watch both shows and not Mad Men because I’m an HBO fan and not an AMC fan. Or maybe I can watch all of them and not The Avengers Age of Ultron because I’m a TV fan. Wait maybe I can watch all of that and not read books because I’m a digital media fan. Or maybe I can do all of that but not listen to music because I am a fan of things I see with my eyes. I have decided to watch all shows with the sound off because I am very loyal to my sense of sight.” | ||
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Shock710
Australia6097 Posts
On April 16 2017 02:37 GeckoXp wrote: Please point out where I said he should not return at all. I didnt say that you didnt want him to not return at all, but rather to stop pinning day9 as one of those people who is just here for the hyper train. Because he is completely justified in returning to do w/e he pleases. and heres the early reply to "please point out where i said day9 is just here for the hypetrain" >in Day9 thread, > On April 16 2017 02:08 GeckoXp wrote:We care about those, who made profit by other titles, which they might or might not have enjoyed and carry an artificial attitude with their return. It annoys me to no end whenever someone comes back riding the hypetrain, cause it's "in" and it's the "new retro" or another hipster bullshit. Also the point that i felt Cele was talking about most was that he didnt like when artosis/tasteless/day9 and whoever else said something along the lines of "sc2 is the greatest game" and "broodwar is the greatest game" even if they were speaking in hyperbole for a cast. He just didnt like that..w/e hes entitled to think that artosis and tastless arent sincere about broodwar( i personally disagree). But others in this thread arent happy that day9 will be making content, thats what im unhappy with, people are gatekeeping broodwar. | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
On April 15 2017 21:55 Liquid`Ret wrote: I dunno how people can fault anyone for moving to SC2 from BW.. Day9, tasteless, artosis, all these other people that get critiziced for the strangest things, had been playing BW, fueled by passion for over a decade by the time SC2 came out and all these oppurtunities to make a living came along. SC2 is a great game too, it's the most modern RTS out there and it's created a lot of epic moments/gameplay on really big platforms and since it came out Esports has only grown each year.... But for people who literally grew up with brood war, and loved it so much that they travelled the world to play tournaments, and grasp at straws just to be able to do anything for the game they loved, you should only be happy they are coming back at the first chance they get to experience this game again in modern times. For years, there was hardly a playerbase left, Brood War didn't run well on modern pc's and there were definitely not any tournaments. It was really difficult to come back to try and play that in a completly dead scene, compared to sc2 which had tournaments every month, and wasn't a bad game to begin with. SC:Remastered is ensuring that there might be a competitive environment for BW again, And I hope to see everyone come back and play because it's going to be fucking awesome. Those people we all grew up with while playing the game with and against each other, they are friends. Throughout the years everyone went their own way, a lot of people in sc2 or other esports related jobs, and a lot of people in academic carreers or other 'real world' carreers. A lot of us lost touch. I look forward to play with all my friends again in a game that all of us love...That's the most exciting part about all of this. Even though i've played SC2 for 6 years, for me personally, it was never the same as BW. I had a really good time travelling, competing, playing countless tournaments everywhere. Being part of such a highly competitive scene was really fun, no matter what the game was. In the first few years the entire WC3 scene and BW scene came together and everyone tried their best at this new game, it was exciting as hell. Competition is a huge part for anyone who gets into difficult RTS games to try and improve himself. So it didn't matter that the game was sometimes stale, lots of great games were happening too in SC2. But it could never compare to the pure love you felt when you were a child trying to play BW and create art.. players and casters have always been passionate about brood war, and its amazing they are coming back to do content and to play. the people that fault others for moving on from a game you couldn't make a living from to things that let you travel the world and have a career simply have never had to make that choice. day9, tasteless, artosis, etc should have a free pass from the BW community for the rest of their lives simply for the body of work they've already produced even if they never come back | ||
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dark.matter
177 Posts
1) nobody has to cater to you, if you want someone so passionate about BW that they haven't stopped casting it since 1999, well you're out of luck, and oh yeah? how come you're not that person? hypocrite. 2) if you want passionate casters and professionals working with BW, they need to have survived the drought that was 2010-2015 in order to even be here today, so your desire for a professional passionate person flies in the face in the reality of what that entails. Grow the fuck up. 3) Enjoy some BW cause its back! :D | ||
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flowSthead
1065 Posts
I mean, it's still incredibly entitled and self-defeating, but you can't be loved without being hated, I guess. | ||
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GeckoXp
Germany2016 Posts
On April 16 2017 02:58 Shock710 wrote: I didnt say that you didnt want him to not return at all, but rather to stop pinning day9 as one of those people who is just here for the hyper train. Because he is completely justified in returning to do w/e he pleases. and heres the early reply to "please point out where i said day9 is just here for the hypetrain" >in Day9 thread, > Also the point that i felt Cele was talking about most was that he didnt like when artosis/tasteless/day9 and whoever else said something along the lines of "sc2 is the greatest game" and "broodwar is the greatest game" even if they were speaking in hyperbole for a cast. He just didnt like that..w/e hes entitled to think that artosis and tastless arent sincere about broodwar( i personally disagree). But others in this thread arent happy that day9 will be making content, thats what im unhappy with, people are gatekeeping broodwar. Except that's not what I said at all. I haven't heard from Day9 in a while. I said it pisses me off to no end, whenever I hear some supposedly super BW cast filled with objectively bad commentary: e.g. predicting every potential strategy, build or whatever wrong while comparing what is going on to SCII. That's neither helping the SCII crowd (wrong predictions), nor does it please the BW followers (SCII comparisons). And with that I meant the few Artosis casts I saw. This is what I was referring to and given the context of my other posts in this thread, it should have also been quite clear. Unless you desperately want me to hate on Day9, which I really don't. Nor do I hate Artosis as a person, I just really dislike his latest casts. | ||
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Intari
31 Posts
Chill, my brothers in Brood War. All will be as the Overmind wills it. | ||
Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
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Carminedust
487 Posts
On April 16 2017 02:04 tanngard wrote: I dont know what they used to think about SC2, but i do know that Bisu didn't return to BW before playing SC2 1 year. Janngbi a bit earlier. And Stork didn't return before just recently! Movie and Sea returned first among the former top players. Hiya and Killer just continued playing BW. Other than that, all top players switched to SC2 pretty much. But they did because the entire scene with all the teams and infrastructure was transformed into SC2 because of decisions made by blizzard and people in marketing. So the players didn't have much freedom or say in the matter either way. I'm sure many didn't want the switch. I thought JangBi liked sc2 for the most part and would have kept playing past 2013 but had to retire due to Personal life issues because i remember him being in the final season of Code S for 2013 and then out of the blue retiring. | ||
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Carminedust
487 Posts
On April 16 2017 03:38 Heyoka wrote: I like Brood War and I am happy that other people who like Brood War are going to be playing it again and we can share time and memories together. Y'all are being weird about this. THIS THIS IS HOW I FEEL ABOUT ALL OF IT | ||
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Bengalaas!!
15 Posts
On April 16 2017 03:20 GeckoXp wrote: Nor do I hate Artosis as a person, I just really dislike his latest casts. which casts are you referring to? i generally enjoy his casting so im curious what about them you don't like. | ||
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Shock710
Australia6097 Posts
On April 16 2017 03:20 GeckoXp wrote: Except that's not what I said at all. I haven't heard from Day9 in a while. I said it pisses me off to no end, whenever I hear some supposedly super BW cast filled with objectively bad commentary: e.g. predicting every potential strategy, build or whatever wrong while comparing what is going on to SCII. That's neither helping the SCII crowd (wrong predictions), nor does it please the BW followers (SCII comparisons). And with that I meant the few Artosis casts I saw. This is what I was referring to and given the context of my other posts in this thread, it should have also been quite clear. Unless you desperately want me to hate on Day9, which I really don't. Nor do I hate Artosis as a person, I just really dislike his latest casts. Thats fine if you dislike artosis's current casting style and all but to mention that in line with this thread does no good for day9 it makes you look like your advocating that day9 is such a person As this started with nina saying huh? Why are you coming back you left. Then that started all the i dont people who are just jumping on hypetrains for greed to come into this scene (why mention this at all if you think it has nothing to do with him) come in with cele saying that he doesnt like this hypocrisy of day9 and such and such (yes day9 has shown fondness of sc2 is that so bad). Also you reply like you couldnt possibly be wrong with the condesending "please point out blablabla" "should have been quite clear" even tho you specificed no one and this is orginally about day9, "unless you desperately want me to hate day9" ....??? Why mention this why would i want that? If anything instead of trying to pin you as a day9 hater ive been explaining why you/everyone shouldnt be negative about this. Edit: forget it, theres no point in a he said she said argument. Bottom line no one should be upset about day9 doing content. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28621 Posts
The idea that 'they could have at least played a couple games a year or whatever', that's nonsense too. Bw is no fun to pick up for two games every 4 months, especially if you're used to playing on a high level. And while yeah, the scene wasn't 'dead' from 2010-2016, but the activity isn't remotely comparable to how it was between 2007-2009, and for anyone living in a western country, the money you could possibly make from bw is completely negligible. Winning _every single_ defiler.ru tournament between 2010 and 2013 would make you what, $5000? Add every other tourney outside korea, I guess you can double that? So of course nearly everyone who had gaming as a job rather than a hobby had to make the change. None of this detracts from the players who kept playing or the community organizers who made sure we still had something to play. I'm incredibly gracious towards everyone who kept iccup running, but I'm able to feel and express gratitude towards this bunch while also appreciating and being happy about a bunch of the old guard and newcomers from sc2 returning. | ||
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neptunusfisk
2286 Posts
On April 16 2017 03:47 Bengalaas!! wrote: which casts are you referring to? i generally enjoy his casting so im curious what about them you don't like. Same, haven't really heard any inaccurate predictions in recent casts. A few mentions of SC2 to say that probes don't trigger mines etc but if you're upset about that then you would be upset by anything really | ||
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