EPTIf what I just said describes you kindly avoid my channel while I happily play the game (BW) that launched my entire life/career. I don't want that attitude anywhere near me. There are enough shitty people in the world that we don't have to dig SO deep that we get mad when some ecelebrities return to a game we love... what in the actual fuck.
Day[9] talks Brood War hype, plans for new series - Page 6
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
If what I just said describes you kindly avoid my channel while I happily play the game (BW) that launched my entire life/career. I don't want that attitude anywhere near me. There are enough shitty people in the world that we don't have to dig SO deep that we get mad when some ecelebrities return to a game we love... what in the actual fuck. | ||
TheEmulator
28103 Posts
On April 16 2017 03:56 iNcontroL wrote: This thread has some really disgusting shit in here. Most of the people you guys are talking about did more for the BW scene than any one of you have ever done by a order of magnitude on levels you'd probably not like to hear about. Those same people went off and made a career off of SC2 which is also something.. most of you will never do. Now BW is getting an update and it is giving them a reason to come and play/make content and you want to try and hate them for that? If what I just said describes you kindly avoid my channel while I happily play the game (BW) that launched my entire life/career. I don't want that attitude anywhere near me. There are enough shitty people in the world that we don't have to dig SO deep that we get mad when some ecelebrities return to a game we love... what in the actual fuck. ^ I'm noticing a trend where people who actually contributed to the BW scene have been sticking up for Day[9] while a bunch of no names seem upset. You all must be really young or something. | ||
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neptunusfisk
2286 Posts
On April 16 2017 03:56 iNcontroL wrote: This thread has some really disgusting shit in here. Most of the people you guys are talking about did more for the BW scene than any one of you have ever done by a order of magnitude on levels you'd probably not like to hear about. Those same people went off and made a career off of SC2 which is also something.. most of you will never do. Now BW is getting an update and it is giving them a reason to come and play/make content and you want to try and hate them for that? If what I just said describes you kindly avoid my channel while I happily play the game (BW) that launched my entire life/career. I don't want that attitude anywhere near me. There are enough shitty people in the world that we don't have to dig SO deep that we get mad when some ecelebrities return to a game we love... what in the actual fuck. Amen. On April 16 2017 03:53 Liquid`Drone wrote: bashing day or artosis or players who went to sc2 is completely ridiculous lol. These are guys who were so passionate about bw that they had already made names for themselves enabling them to make a profit from changing. Just because they at some point decided to hype hyperbole a bit and describe sc2 as the greatest game ever, who cares. The idea that 'they could have at least played a couple games a year or whatever', that's nonsense too. Bw is no fun to pick up for two games every 4 months, especially if you're used to playing on a high level. And while yeah, the scene wasn't 'dead' from 2010-2016, but the activity isn't remotely comparable to how it was between 2007-2009, and for anyone living in a western country, the money you could possibly make from bw is completely negligible. Winning _every single_ defiler.ru tournament between 2010 and 2013 would make you what, $5000? Add every other tourney outside korea, I guess you can double that? So of course nearly everyone who had gaming as a job rather than a hobby had to make the change. None of this detracts from the players who kept playing or the community organizers who made sure we still had something to play. I'm incredibly gracious towards everyone who kept iccup running, but I'm able to feel and express gratitude towards this bunch while also appreciating and being happy about a bunch of the old guard and newcomers from sc2 returning. Yes, totally agree. BW and SC2 are not too different in the grand scheme of things and "Leaving for SC2" (i.e. making a career) instead of "staying loyal" (i.e. having to work with something completely different to stay afloat and play in the night after work) is really not incompatible with loving BW more. And even if they did like SC2 more at one point, that wouldn't be a crime either. Grow up lol | ||
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ninazerg
United States7291 Posts
On April 16 2017 02:58 Hot_Bid wrote: he "left" for SC2? games aren't a monogamous relationship, you can play and watch multiple and have ebbs and flows of which ones you play more. Day9 especially can't "stay faithful" (lmao) to Brood War because you simply can't make a living doing it outside Korea. You expect him to beg for food or something because of a misguided notion to never touch another game again? Well, I started this mess, so let me just apologize for saying something stupid that got people riled up. It's been awhile since I've put my foot in my mouth this badly, so let me clarify what I was saying and how I actually feel. I can apologize for saying what I said, but I can't change how I feel, so I think it would only be right to be honest about it. I absolutely, positively love Day[9]. I love his earnest attitude, his positivity, his ability to break things down into smaller logical chunks, his FACE, just everything, and I've never even met him! I think he's awesome, so imagine my delight when I heard he was going to start doing an analysis of a StarCraft game every single day. Every night, I would plop my butt down in my computer chair, because it was Day[9] Daily time, damn it. When he did the first SC2 episode, I was like "Okay, that's interesting. This SC2 game might be good." and then not-too-long after, it was just ALL SC2 stuff. It just made me really sad. This was even before I decided that I didn't like SC2. I was just like, "Where's the Brood War?" and it dawned on me that he would probably NEVER do another episode on Brood War ever again. Meanwhile, here I am, plugging away at StarCraft: Brood War. Why? Because I wasn't thinking, "Oh, I have to pay the bills by playing video games." Money was never an issue, and I don't think money should ever be an issue when it comes to doing something you love versus something you don't love. Now, I can't speak for Sean or Nick, but I feel like at a certain point, they just got disgusted with SC2's constant balance changes and saw the game going in a really negative direction, and went elsewhere, like to streaming Hearthstone and stuff. Nick even logged onto the Fish Server one night to play StarCraft: Brood War, and I got to play a game of StarCraft with Tasteless. That felt so unreal, and I was so happy. 2015-2016 were kind of the bottom of the barrel for Brood War, but generally speaking, from 2010 on, there was a lot of Brood War stuff going on. There was an SSL, ASL, ISL, and tons and tons of tournaments. Like TechnicS pointed out, I think it's unfair to characterize the scene as 'dead' when it was merely diminished but not destroyed. That's the shit I kept hearing, and continue to hear, though, that the SC1 scene was dead so why even bother. The reason it was "dying", though, was because people kept 'switching' to SC2. I never understood why people couldn't play both games. So when someone asks me, "Can't someone like both games?" I would say that I've never said that. Of course someone can like both games. Post 2010, there was a whole next-generation of foreigner players that nobody outside of the Brood War microcosm even knows about. It's so easy to click on the Brood War forum and just look around and go, "What's happenin' in this neck of the woods?" for 15 minutes. So when Day[9] goes "I can't wait for Brood War to come out!" I'm like, what are you talking about? It's been here the whole time. That amazing dOTY vs Sziky bo9 final... did you see that? That was fucking lit. I wish he could've seen that live. He would've loved it. I wish the whole world could've seen all those great little moments that happened since 2010, and shared that moment of heartbreak with Kim Carrier as he cried on national television because he was watching the 'last' StarCraft tournament, then feel that burst of excitement when he stepped on stage to cast the SSL a year or so later. Besides that, (and this is definitely not directed at Day[9]) I've heard a million times that I'm playing a dead game that nobody cares about, and am asked why I don't play SC2 or play Starbow, or that I could "have ten times as many twitch followers on SC2", and all this and that. It's just annoying, to be honest. I've read all kinds of forum posts that say we need to kill Brood War to unify StarCraft fans under SC2 for the sake of eSports, and I was like "What the hell?" In the meanwhile, I've watched SC2 tournaments. I've watched SC2 streams. I've played SC2. I never advocated killing either game, but I've always stuck with Brood War because I just love that damn game. I'm not saying I'm better than anyone who went to SC2 full-time, either, before I hear that accusation. The whole "Shit on Brood War" situation over the years has just made me sad, that's all. That whole thing made me sad. I'm happy for Day[9], though. I don't think he was as happy with SC2, and now he has an opportunity to talk about SC:BW again for a large audience. I can't wait to watch the show. For everyone in general: please PLEASE PLEASE don't talk bad about Day[9] or SC2 or be cynical. If you want a good reason not to be cynical, then consider this: I've been optimistic about SC1 for last 7 years and it's paid off. I wish Sean Plott the very best with his show, and I look forward to watching it. | ||
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Freezard
Sweden1030 Posts
On April 16 2017 03:53 Liquid`Drone wrote: And while yeah, the scene wasn't 'dead' from 2010-2016, but the activity isn't remotely comparable to how it was between 2007-2009, and for anyone living in a western country, the money you could possibly make from bw is completely negligible. Winning _every single_ defiler.ru tournament between 2010 and 2013 would make you what, $5000? Add every other tourney outside korea, I guess you can double that? ^ People saying BW was not dead... no game truly dies unless the servers are shut down and there's no way to play the game, otherwise there's always going to be some people playing the game. But you can feel when a game is dead enough when for instance you spend more time searching for games than playing the game. What Drone said, about jobs and money, is only relevant for a few players - most are leaving for other reasons, like lack of activity or the one I mentioned. | ||
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Aylear
Norway3988 Posts
I'm gonna go edit Liquipedia some more now. =( | ||
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ninazerg
United States7291 Posts
On April 16 2017 04:24 Aylear wrote: Sigh. I just wanted to share some good news with the Brood War community. I'm gonna go edit Liquipedia some more now. =( Don't get discouraged. Thanks for sharing the video. | ||
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zebaty
19 Posts
I do things too but i never thought I`m some kind of super-hero as my pocket was always why i`ve done them | ||
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Daitro
England31 Posts
Perhaps that's harsh or disrespectful. Either way this is obviously a good thing. | ||
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PharaphobiaSC
Czech Republic457 Posts
This makes me really sad | ||
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atrox_
United Kingdom1711 Posts
On April 16 2017 01:01 DickMcFanny wrote: No, that's unforgivable. No real BW fan would ever succumb to that. Now excuse me, I'm going to watch Flash and Jaedong and Julyzerg and Nada, you know, the loyalists. You're going to watch JulyZerg, oh loyal one? Please tell me where | ||
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HalcyonRain
United States124 Posts
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
On April 16 2017 01:52 marcesr wrote: I started playing BW when SC2 was first announced, back then I was called a casual by people with a mindset alike yours. People told me I wasnt a true BW fan because I jumped on the hypetrain caused by SC2. Nowadays these comments sound extremely silly to me, Im pretty sure you as well will come back in 5 years and consider your current opinion quite ignorant. hmh no, i know people with that mindset and it's not me. I don't like people with that mindset either. I never got really good at this game (i play like for ever, never made it past the yellow ranks on iccup) because im too casual myself. I helped some in league and tours especially for casuals and beginners. So i don't know, but with all due respect; i think your projecting something on me, that isn't me. What i meant was only that i dislike this artificial hyperbole that is being produced in casts. As pointed out by some, it's understandable and part of the business, something you have to do to promote yourself and your content. But i just don't have to enjoy it. It really [still] suprises me, that every sentiment that's being expressed by us longterm fans is being labelled as "BW elitism". On April 16 2017 02:14 Aylear wrote: ever sporadic, would have taken time away from the kind of content the majority of his subscribers wanted to see. I don't think this new series is Day[9] cynically looking to make a quick buck while there is renewed interest in Brood War. If he just cared about money he'd stick to being a Hearthstone/variety streamer, or get deeper into Dota or something. I honestly think the hype around SC: Remastered is just the excuse he needs to produce the kind of content he would love to do, but couldn't justify spending so much time on at the cost of his regular programming. it's a fine argument and i don't want to dismiss it. I do not know Sean Plott and i wouldn't dare to say what his true passion is and what isn't. It seems a good guess to me that his passion rests with the Starcraft universe as a whole. However, i don't mind where it is. I don't mind genuine fandom for Super Mario Land 1, Starcraft 2 or CS:GO. I mind the rapid change from one superlative to another. Calling game A the greatest and a month later, with a a new trend, game b. I'd be fine with a more honest " i like this game too, i think it's great fun." Incontrol was very bad at excessive hyperbole for instance. Day 9 actually not so much. On April 16 2017 03:56 iNcontroL wrote: This thread has some really disgusting shit in here. Most of the people you guys are talking about did more for the BW scene than any one of you have ever done by a order of magnitude on levels you'd probably not like to hear about. How do you know? Im very well aware of what Artosis did for the game. He earned a lot of merit for it undoubtedly. I also do know what a guy like fr)Yoda did for the game. Do you too? Who makes you the person to tell the crowd who deserves what or doesn't when you come here again after 7 years and have the audacity to tell those who stayed who did something important for the community and who did not? You can't know, because you missed those years. People i can name might have achieved less in total amounts, because external factors were worse. Doesn't mean they put in any less time, effort and passion then those you wanna name. On April 16 2017 03:56 iNcontroL wrote: There are enough shitty people in the world that we don't have to dig SO deep that we get mad when some ecelebrities return to a game we love... what in the actual fuck. Well, perhaps you mean somebody else in this thread, but i'm not mad. Im very happy about it. As i said above, i could do without the excessive hyperbole and without people like you assuming everybody will just drop to ground and sing songs of prayer just because Day9 elects to do Broodwar content again. I'll watch it if it's good for sure, as i did back in the day. | ||
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kraftskiva
6 Posts
I don't want to be a hater but it seems like many people are fair weather friends of brood war. Not that there's anything wrong with that! If I had a chance to make a living from esports I might have done the same. | ||
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Meta
United States6228 Posts
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PharaphobiaSC
Czech Republic457 Posts
On April 16 2017 05:46 Meta wrote: I'm over here all stoked about SC:R and gave shared that day 9 rant with my friends who never played bw to try to get them to play. Then this thread is all resentment and vitriol. BW is the hardest game in the world, it takes a special kind of person to enjoy it alone, so getting popular talking heads of esports to bring attention to it is a very good thing. If they get into it, and the older players get into it, and bring their friends into it, then BW could see a spike in popularity that it has never seen before. I'm super excited for it, and everybody else should be too! After this perfect explanation with these 6 pages Im not gonna introduce my friends to this toxic elitist field, i would rather dload the 30GB of starter SC2 and ship it to anywhere on the planet... | ||
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Phyanketto
United States602 Posts
On April 15 2017 15:33 ninazerg wrote: I like how he's like "StarCraft is the best game ever!", "I've been playing it since 5th grade!", "I can't wait for Brood War to come out!" ...dude, you left for SC2. I can forgive him for leaving at first. It seemed like this was going to be part two. The smash community went through much the same letdown with Brawl. Even if you listen to the excitement and then the realization that it was mechanically different, you could substitute the exact words for BW/sc2's relationship: The problem is since Nintendo never tried to force out melee, it never went away and the players who thought it was better went back and melee is still the biggest game in the series. There really wasn't much to come back to after Blizzard forced BW out of kespa. | ||
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Mizconout
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Qwyn
United States2781 Posts
Day9 has contributed more deep, holistic content to this community than any other community figure I can think of. He taught me how to study StarCraft, showed me how deep the game can be and made me appreciate all iterations of the game as something valuable and innately worthy of my time. He fucking grew up playing Brood War. Any of you ever watched his Daily #100? Sean Plott has poured his heart out for StarCraft for more than half of his fucking life and you're going to give him shit about getting excited about a remaster of the game he grew up with? | ||
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neptunusfisk
2286 Posts
On April 16 2017 06:06 Qwyn wrote: I never thought the crowd of people who hate on Day9 for playing different games and not "sticking with a game forever" (as if that were ever a fucking thing) would find their way onto TL. Are you fucking serious guys? Day9 has contributed more deep, holistic content to this community than any other community figure I can think of. He taught me how to study StarCraft, showed me how deep the game can be and made me appreciate all iterations of the game as something valuable and innately worthy of my time. He fucking grew up playing Brood War. Any of you ever watched his Daily #100? Sean Plott has poured his heart out for StarCraft for more than half of his fucking life and you're going to give him shit about getting excited about a remaster of the game he grew up with? You don't understand, he played another game more for a while and then he got excited about something that many other people are excited about! Unforgivable!  | ||
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