EPTDay[9] talks Brood War hype, plans for new series - Page 8
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nbaker
United States1341 Posts
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c3rberUs
Japan11286 Posts
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
On April 16 2017 08:38 c3rberUs wrote: I like how nina completely and utterly derailed this thread with one simple post. Even admins got pulled into it haha. she always had that talent i guess. And she was so sorry about it later xD | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28739 Posts
On April 16 2017 07:59 LRM)TechnicS wrote: I am unsure whether that relates to my comments, as I wasn't quoted, but in the case it was something that I wrote to provoke this response, I think there's some misinterpretation going on that I want to clarify. In relation to day9: The idea that I shared is that his tweets should not be praised as BW content. He can play any game he wants, and he can make a living out of everything he chooses to. He streams frequently. It only comes natural to wonder why he didn't discuss any BW on his stream for so long. Analyzing in-depth some series he really really liked on his stream once in a while wouldn't require too much time and resource involvement on his part and IMO wouldn't diminish his chances of making a living out of whatever he wants to. The "a couple of games/discussions every 3-6 months" apply here, and not to the foreigner scene part. in relation to the foreigner BW scene 2010-2015: Offline - there were absolutely no major LAN BW international events. (edit: besides the WCG 2010 which unfortunately had very low amount of BW players involved) Online - I do not argue that in this time period there were enough BW online tournaments to make a living out of BW. In terms of BW history, there were plently of sponsored tournaments online for foreigners in this time period even though the prizepools were relatively smaller. Mashing together the lack of offline events with the online foreigner scene by labeling the foreigner scene as a whole "completely dead" sounded disrespectful to me. I think ret meant no disrespect here and could have said it in a better, more respectful way. I think you're perfectly reasonable. I wasn't really addressing you specifically, saw a version of the sentiment from a couple posters, and perhaps 'nonsense' is a bit too strong of a word. Sure, you can ask 'why didn't he stream any bw for so long if he loves it so much', but it's like, with Day, he has produced so much content for the game and expressed so much love for the game that questioning his motives completely misses the mark. As for the second part of your post, I didn't mean to make it sound like bw from 2007-2009 (or foreign bw since 2000 anyway) had a lot of money or a better tournament scene. But it did have a considerably more active nonkorean ladder scene, more players, and although numbers have been increasing lately, bigger viewership numbers.I disagree with it being completely dead after, but I can see how it would feel that way. For me, my friend lists would go from 15 online in 2008 to 0 online in 2010. With that impression, it's kinda fair to perceive it as dead, even if that's (unintentionally) insulting towards the players who kept playing competitive bw at a high level. | ||
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ninazerg
United States7291 Posts
On April 16 2017 08:43 Cele wrote: she always had that talent i guess. And she was so sorry about it later xD I may have inadvertently ripped off a bandage, so to speak, in the StarCraft community that I wasn't aware of. I had to apologize, because what I said sounded really fucked-up when I read it later, so I had to come back and apologize and explain myself. | ||
TheEmulator
28097 Posts
On April 16 2017 08:55 ninazerg wrote: I may have inadvertently ripped off a bandage, so to speak, in the StarCraft community that I wasn't aware of. I had to apologize, because what I said sounded really fucked-up when I read it later, so I had to come back and apologize and explain myself. Yea I think the problem is that while it was directed at Day[9] your post inadvertently poked at everyone who has left BW for Sc2 and/or other games  tbh it started a discussion that needed to happen at some point. | ||
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
On April 16 2017 08:58 TheEmulator wrote: Yea I think the problem is that while it was directed at Day[9] your post inadvertently poked at everyone who has left BW for Sc2 and/or other games tbh it started a discussion that needed to happen at some point. that's fine Nina. But i agree with Emulator about this discussion being necessary. It still will be for some time i think, this aint the last thread where this subject will find it's way into i imagine. | ||
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xtorn
4060 Posts
this guy got me into Starcraft in the first place. The first time I googled "learn Starcraft", I found his videos and was hooked in a matter of minutes. Then I found out that progamers and Starcraft competitions exist, from his videos. It's because of him tha I went to Korea and saw a competitional eSports game, LIVE in a Korean studio, for the first time in my life. Day9 I <3 u forever, cant wait to see you do SC content again, this comeback is fantastic news!!! | ||
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ninazerg
United States7291 Posts
On April 16 2017 08:58 TheEmulator wrote: Yea I think the problem is that while it was directed at Day[9] your post inadvertently poked at everyone who has left BW for Sc2 and/or other games tbh it started a discussion that needed to happen at some point. Still feel bad :/ | ||
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raff100
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Probemicro
3708 Posts
bf leave her for dead and never cared about her anymore, someone else come by and slowly resuscitates her to full life over the course of several years, bf heards about it, shove resuscitator aside and reclaims ex-gf | ||
Waxangel
United States33552 Posts
On April 16 2017 08:17 EsportsJohn wrote: I think to paraphrase what Cele is trying to say: it feels a bit disingenuous when famous figures/casters jump on the SC:R hype train as if they were still equally as interested in it during the 7 or some odd years when they weren't in the scene. If your first reaction is to point out how disingenuous it feels and how that's an issue, then you have a fucking problem | ||
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GoShox
United States1843 Posts
On April 16 2017 09:40 Probemicro wrote: its like an ex-gf that slowly choked to death, bf leave her for dead and never cared about her anymore, someone else come by and slowly resuscitates her to full life over the course of several years, bf heards about it, shove resuscitator aside and reclaims ex-gf Here's a better "analogy": - Players play a game for years that they love for very little money, if any at all - Sequel to game comes out that allows players to grow in their careers and offers a nice source of income to allow them to provide for themselves and family members - Game creator announces they are developing a remaster for the original game, players come back to game they played for years and love | ||
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Phyanketto
United States601 Posts
On April 16 2017 09:22 raff100 wrote: Has he ever talked about why he prefers BW over SC2?I'm curious Look at his baseballs vs frisbees video | ||
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Probemicro
3708 Posts
On April 16 2017 09:52 GoShox wrote: Here's a better "analogy": - Players play a game for years that they love for very little money, if any at all - Sequel to game comes out that allows players to grow in their careers and offers a nice source of income to allow them to provide for themselves and family members - Game creator announces they are developing a remaster for the original game, players come back to game they played for years and love the bf could have come back on check on her/try to get help from time to time but no he didn't. and if that "someone" didn't come over to resuscitate the scene there wouldn't even be a BW to come back to in the first place. so no i only see someone who failed to grasp my analogy User was banned for this post. | ||
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hasuprotoss
United States4612 Posts
On April 16 2017 09:56 Probemicro wrote: the bf could have come back on check on her/try to get help from time to time but no he didn't. and if that "someone" didn't come over to resuscitate the scene there wouldn't even be a BW to come back to in the first place. so no i only see someone who failed to grasp my analogy He didn't try and grasp it, he said here's a better one. I don't get all of the vitriol in this thread, but maybe I've just been watching from the "outside" too much, having really only kept up with ASL. Even then, I don't get the smug elitism. Somehow the people who are upset that "he didn't do enough for BW" would find a way to complain even if he had done a stream once in a blue moon on BW. That's just sadly the way it is. | ||
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Eridanus
United States75 Posts
On April 16 2017 09:50 Waxangel wrote: If your first reaction is to point out how disingenuous it feels and how that's an issue, then you have a fucking problem You need to be disingenuous to be popular on the internet. As a general principle, using the broad sense of the word, I am sure that holds. At least I don't know any exceptions, and I have been using the internet since 1996. | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On April 16 2017 09:50 Waxangel wrote: If your first reaction is to point out how disingenuous it feels and how that's an issue, then you have a fucking problem YUP. It's really really frustrating reading TL these days.. EsportsJohn literally defending the argument that a "civil" discussion can be had as to whether or not Day9 myself and others have any right being excited about BW:R jesus. The attitude of the die hard BW fans here and on reddit is gross and frankly makes me glad I did move on.. lol. nevermind earning a living I don't want to be one of those people that literally calls out the intentions of people like day9 when they say they are excited about making content for a game they LOVE.. which nobody is disputing. They are literally mad that that love didn't keep them from expanding their careers. Anyways I shouldn't be surprised.. Cele is dense and the moderation here has been bad for awhile. I posted nearly 30k times on this forum and in the last 2-3 years I've posted what, 30 times? Yeah... | ||
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Eridanus
United States75 Posts
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Falling
Canada11413 Posts
I am also very glad to the second Plott brother come back. It's not like he's jumping on to a cash cow or gravy train or whatever figurative language you want to use. It will likely be more popular that it is now; him jumping back will get more eyeballs back on BW. I mean, heck I loved the old Day9 BW Dailies, so getting anything similar will be lovely. But thinking this is disingenuous? C'mon. | ||
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