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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On April 16 2017 10:31 Eridanus wrote: Now now, let's not call the TL moderation 'bad', shall we. They have nothing to do with this. Just calm down a bit. psssssssst you joined TL.net 8 days ago. Give it at least another week before you start speaking on behalf of moderation or telling people to chill | ||
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fabiano
Brazil4644 Posts
On April 16 2017 10:28 iNcontroL wrote: YUP. It's really really frustrating reading TL these days.. EsportsJohn literally defending the argument that a "civil" discussion can be had as to whether or not Day9 myself and others have any right being excited about BW:R jesus. The attitude of the die hard BW fans here and on reddit is gross and frankly makes me glad I did move on.. lol. nevermind earning a living I don't want to be one of those people that literally calls out the intentions of people like day9 when they say they are excited about making content for a game they LOVE.. which nobody is disputing. They are literally mad that that love didn't keep them from expanding their careers. Anyways I shouldn't be surprised.. Cele is dense and the moderation here has been bad for awhile. I posted nearly 30k times on this forum and in the last 2-3 years I've posted what, 30 times? Yeah... In this post you are overreacting just as much as everyone else in here. Everybody should calm the fuck down... Day9 is more than welcome back to BW and everyone agrees on that. So, why are people still going nuts? Case is closed... maybe this thread should too. SEAN, WE WANT YOU! <3<3 edit: adding hearts! | ||
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Eridanus
United States75 Posts
On April 16 2017 10:34 iNcontroL wrote: psssssssst you joined TL.net 8 days ago. Give it at least another week before you start speaking on behalf of moderation or telling people to chill You are right. TL was more fun back when moderators here banned you for two weeks after you threw some silly temper tantrum. | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On April 16 2017 10:28 iNcontroL wrote: YUP. It's really really frustrating reading TL these days.. EsportsJohn literally defending the argument that a "civil" discussion can be had as to whether or not Day9 myself and others have any right being excited about BW:R jesus. The attitude of the die hard BW fans here and on reddit is gross and frankly makes me glad I did move on.. lol. nevermind earning a living I don't want to be one of those people that literally calls out the intentions of people like day9 when they say they are excited about making content for a game they LOVE.. which nobody is disputing. They are literally mad that that love didn't keep them from expanding their careers. Anyways I shouldn't be surprised.. Cele is dense and the moderation here has been bad for awhile. I posted nearly 30k times on this forum and in the last 2-3 years I've posted what, 30 times? Yeah... I have to jump in there and suggest that the actions of a small, vocal minority don't really constitute the "die hard BW fans". Many of the posts on this thread have been pretty sensible, as are most of the die hard BW fans. It feels to me that easily 80% or more of the active BW posters are just long term fans that really enjoy playing BW, and the TL BW community has by and large been one of the most friendly and quality communities I've associated with. That aside, I'm glad this thread went the direction it did. It was a discussion that needed to happen at some point. | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
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Falling
Canada11607 Posts
On April 16 2017 10:41 Eridanus wrote: You are right. TL was more fun back when moderators here banned you for two weeks after you threw some silly temper tantrum. Just drop it. This thread is good news and yet it is going down into a hell hole. | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On April 16 2017 10:43 L_Master wrote: I have to jump in there and suggest that the actions of a small, vocal minority don't really constitute the "die hard BW fans". Many of the posts on this thread have been pretty sensible, as are most of the die hard BW fans. It feels to me that easily 80% or more of the active BW posters are just long term fans that really enjoy playing BW, and the TL BW community has by and large been one of the most friendly and quality communities I've associated with. That aside, I'm glad this thread went the direction it did. It was a discussion that needed to happen at some point. Completely fair to say. I shouldn't be lax when describing a large group.. it is a vocal minority. My point though (which I should have been more clear on) is that it isn't just a small group of minorities though.. there is a significant chunk of a (albeit, still small) group that DOES feel this strange angst and it has been coming out in threads for months. As a person that has been around BW traveling and competing at the highest non korean levels before these guys even sniffed the game it riles me up pretty hard.. not an excuse though you're right.. there are perfectly fine "hard core fans" who are conducting themselves 100% reasonably. | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On April 16 2017 10:39 fabiano wrote: In this post you are overreacting just as much as everyone else in here. Everybody should calm the fuck down... Day9 is more than welcome back to BW and everyone agrees on that. So, why are people still going nuts? Case is closed... maybe this thread should too. SEAN, WE WANT YOU! <3<3 edit: adding hearts! The difference is I am "overreacting" telling people to not attack my peers and friends for wanting to do BW content and they are "overreacting" because Day9 announced he will make content and some are using that as an opportunity to attack him. I could calm down sure.. but I'd actually think it fine and fair to be upset in my situation. | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On April 16 2017 10:41 Eridanus wrote: You are right. TL was more fun back when moderators here banned you for two weeks after you threw some silly temper tantrum. You were banned and made a new account right? Does that irony not blow you out of the water here or? | ||
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Falling
Canada11607 Posts
I could calm down sure.. but I'd actually think it fine and fair to be upset in my situation. Well sure- I'm upset that this thread turned out the way it did. I get really, really annoyed with level of scrutiny people put into judging a big name's motivation for switching away and back to BW. But you are painting the BW community with a rather large brush, lashing out at TL moderation etc- I mean if there's problems with moderating this thread, you of all people know the drill- report the offending posts or take it up with website feedback. | ||
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FFGenerations
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dota is too hard bwaha ahaha ahaha !! > Dragoon movement speed increased by 5 > Reaver's orb is no longer disjointable > Fixed a problem with zerglings being able to pass through structures lets do it boys !!! edit: Purge Learns Broodwar - 1. Cloning (Lesson w/ coach Day[9]) | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On April 16 2017 10:59 Falling wrote: Well sure- I'm upset that this thread turned out the way it did. I get really, really annoyed with level of scrutiny people put into judging a big name's motivation for switching away and back to BW. But you are painting the BW community with a rather large brush, lashing out at TL moderation etc- I mean if there's problems with moderating this thread, you of all people know the drill- report the offending posts or take it up with website feedback. Yeah as I said that brush I painted this thread with was bad and I clarified my point. The post you're responding to could use some focus as well I guess? Not fair to say ALL moderation is bad. Some of you do a great job. I will just be honest and tell you that for people like myself who have been around here for more than 13 years the "general level of moderation" is very different and I personally would describe it as worse. I don't care to go waaaaaaaaay in depth on it but you're right it isn't fair to throw out a generic complaint like that and then not explain myself. | ||
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TT1
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KiWiKaKi
Canada691 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
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The_Red_Viper
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On April 16 2017 11:22 BLinD-RawR wrote: man, some shit went down here. It's not even me this time :O | ||
KadaverBB
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
Now, in terms of this current discussion going on, I think both sides should just calm down for a bit. I have no issues with any of the older casters or players coming back to cast/play BW again. They are well within their right to do as they wish, not like anyone has a monopoly on the game or can dictate who does what. I also disagree with this idea of them ditching BW. Rather, I'm looking at it from an economical perspective. They have to make a living so it only makes sense that they did what was viable for their livelihood. Maybe it's because I'm not really attached to any of them so I don't feel this 'betrayal', dunno really. However, what I have issues with is comments like this game is so dead or has been dead etc... These are terrible comments that don't lend to a good discussion. Foreign BW fell in terms of activity, sure but the game never died. ICCup still had players and has been increasing since those dark years. TL has continued to provide great coverage since the SSL days with all the drama around them. We've all followed the rise and fall of SSL, KSL, watched player steams on snipealot, the return of old stars, people translated interviews, people participated in LR threads and organized tournaments including TLC, TLS and defiler etc... The scene was reduced in size because many left after the last OSL but the passion was still there. If anything, you can even argue that the passion was stronger in some ways. Only someone who was contributing at the time and putting a lot of effort into doing so will understand just how bad it feels to spend a ton of time writing/casting something only to get so many views/comments or viewers. This extends to any and all contributors. Really, the only thing you were running on is passion for the game and hoping that, that article or cast you did will help introduce more players into the community. I personally think it's insulting that a lot of the people who stuck around and contributed seem to be brushed aside in a way. Not saying it's purposeful but they get overshadowed in these discussions. People like Bisudagger, Sayle etc... who put a ton of time and effort casting every tournament and in BD's case, even looking and finding sponsors on top of hosting his own shows and making deals etc... It's easy for someone who rarely follows the scene anymore to completely gloss over this stuff. Anyways, I think overall, having Day9 back can only be good for the scene but I do ask that anyone who has come back to the community to give their due respects to those people who hung in there and have constantly worked for the benefit of the community despite the bleak outlook during those times. Personally, I think TL and the community in general would've been in a much worse shape if no one decided to do anything. | ||
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ortseam
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LordOfDabu
United States394 Posts
You may question why Day 9 didn't return before this, but the fact that others are returning almost certainly plays a big role. Who wants to return to a game when your /f l is 25 offline names? If I am putting words in anyone's mouth I apologize. | ||
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