EPTDay[9] talks Brood War hype, plans for new series - Page 11
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Zera
Lithuania716 Posts
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mca64Launcher_
Poland629 Posts
Thank you. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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GeckoXp
Germany2016 Posts
On April 16 2017 15:17 Hot_Bid wrote: Person A played BW for 15 years and never touched another game. Person B played BW, then SC2, then returned for SC:R. These are just personal choices, what games to enjoy. Person A does not deserve more "credit" or something simply for choosing to be monogamous to a hobby. There is no need to feel superior to others because you chose to be "faithful" to one, because games are not sports teams or relationships. Everyone should be happy people are playing BW again. I think half of the posts were interpreted with accusations that simply aren't there, the cele vs. incontrol line is the prime example of this, even tho I really do not get why incontrol needs to explode in the manner he does. If that continues you'll be dealing with a self fullfilling prophecy: people are angry, because they want to be angry. I assume most, for the lack of a better words, negative posts either want to point out the foreign scene wasn't so dead, or that they want the old Day9 style back, that went very well without feeling that his content was trying too hard on the hype part. I really don't see how that should be offending. Nor does this mean anyone is angry Day9 comes back (or anyone else on that matter). | ||
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nanaoei
3358 Posts
On April 15 2017 20:44 Cele wrote: I'd be fine with, let's say Tasteless saying" Broodwar is a great game, tho i personally like Game XY more." If that's an honest sentiment, it's more meaningful to me then what they cater to us. this would never happen, and I don't think anybody would be fine with that kind of statement (on air) either. | ||
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Woobz
Canada23 Posts
On April 16 2017 13:21 ROOTFayth wrote: I find it weird that some people are obsessed by broodwar but never even played at a high level.... Like who cares if you stayed all those years on broodwar playing a few UMS here and there and watching pro games lol, we never cared about these people, the reason we left broodwar is because everybody was leaving, every good active competitor in the foreign scene. As previous people said, when you join bnet and everyone on your friend list is always offline it gets quite boring and feels completely dead. Are you really that dense? People don't have to be the best at things to enjoy them and you aren't more important than the people playing BGH/UMS. | ||
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TT1
Canada10013 Posts
On April 16 2017 18:15 Woobz wrote: Are you really that dense? People don't have to be the best at things to enjoy them and you aren't more important than the people playing BGH/UMS. you fell into his trap | ||
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Pippah
Denmark356 Posts
Honestly it makes you seem immature - But hey. Broodwar in 15 mins - lets chills and be happy that broodwar is on the rise again  | ||
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merz
Sweden2760 Posts
This is not a pissing contest nor should it be, but somehow I cant shake the feeling that we (as in the people who left for sc2) have to prove our worth to be accepted into a community we all helped to build long before any of the people who kept it going after sc2s release was even here. This is all fucking absurd. We all love Brood War for the beautiful and awesome game it was and still is. We all have memories we will cheerish for the rest of our lives due to the game. Let us just cheerish what Brood War is instead of making it into a competition of whom contributed more to the scene or not. Let us stop attacking people personally with accusations that have no real basis in reality. It saddens me to see people attacking FrozenArbiter for example implying he wasnt "good enough" for BW and thus moved on. FA was one of the heaviest contributors to TL.net and one of the most passionate and skilled foreigners that existed. He was one of few who would actually practice with and get accepted into South korean clans. Making accusations like this is just mean and shows that the person claiming this really has no clue. A lot of people in this thread are making the argument that the people who have been gone for years cant know the hard work that others had to put in to keep BW going these years. The same argument can be applied to Day9, Artosis, or FrozenArbiter. You literally have no clue about the work these people put in. So please, lets just respect both sides and the work each respective side put into the game we all love and end this ridiculously childish debate. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12970 Posts
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6807 Posts
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Phyanketto
United States601 Posts
On April 16 2017 17:33 mca64Launcher_ wrote: Sc2 > bw Thank you. Obviously. I don't understand how these barbarians can deal with having their army and all their buildings on more than a single hotkey. I tried broodwar and I had to move my hand; it was painful because I'm used to my wrist getting stuck to my desk because T is the furthest you should ever have to reach... I think I tore some skin off. I might sue blizzard. | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4383 Posts
Anything that brings more people to the game is good. Not worth getting angry about. | ||
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
On April 16 2017 11:35 BigFan wrote: Well, this thread certainly went in a different direction than the OP anticipated. For my part, I think it's cool to see Day9 wanting to make BW content again. I honestly never watched much of his videos, BW or SCII despite realizing they are treasures in the eyes of many fans. I preferred to just play the game, watch vods and come to my own conclusions regarding how to play the various matchups etc... However, if they are as good as I've heard, I'm sure they will be helpful to new and old BW fans. Now, in terms of this current discussion going on, I think both sides should just calm down for a bit. I have no issues with any of the older casters or players coming back to cast/play BW again. They are well within their right to do as they wish, not like anyone has a monopoly on the game or can dictate who does what. I also disagree with this idea of them ditching BW. Rather, I'm looking at it from an economical perspective. They have to make a living so it only makes sense that they did what was viable for their livelihood. Maybe it's because I'm not really attached to any of them so I don't feel this 'betrayal', dunno really. However, what I have issues with is comments like this game is so dead or has been dead etc... These are terrible comments that don't lend to a good discussion. Foreign BW fell in terms of activity, sure but the game never died. ICCup still had players and has been increasing since those dark years. TL has continued to provide great coverage since the SSL days with all the drama around them. We've all followed the rise and fall of SSL, KSL, watched player steams on snipealot, the return of old stars, people translated interviews, people participated in LR threads and organized tournaments including TLC, TLS and defiler etc... The scene was reduced in size because many left after the last OSL but the passion was still there. If anything, you can even argue that the passion was stronger in some ways. Only someone who was contributing at the time and putting a lot of effort into doing so will understand just how bad it feels to spend a ton of time writing/casting something only to get so many views/comments or viewers. This extends to any and all contributors. Really, the only thing you were running on is passion for the game and hoping that, that article or cast you did will help introduce more players into the community. I personally think it's insulting that a lot of the people who stuck around and contributed seem to be brushed aside in a way. Not saying it's purposeful but they get overshadowed in these discussions. People like Bisudagger, Sayle etc... who put a ton of time and effort casting every tournament and in BD's case, even looking and finding sponsors on top of hosting his own shows and making deals etc... It's easy for someone who rarely follows the scene anymore to completely gloss over this stuff. Anyways, I think overall, having Day9 back can only be good for the scene but I do ask that anyone who has come back to the community to give their due respects to those people who hung in there and have constantly worked for the benefit of the community despite the bleak outlook during those times. Personally, I think TL and the community in general would've been in a much worse shape if no one decided to do anything. i don't know about both sides, i haven't read all posts on all behalfs here. But let me say this: I came into this thread and stated, that the return of Day9/Tastosis is highly appreciated by me, i said that multiple times. I said as well and i stand by it, that it feels a bit disingenuous how they act as if they were never gone. I said multiple times how i respect what they did for the game. As far as i know i didn't personally insult anybody here. Yet, every post that addresses me states how "i hate that they are coming back..." or some similar nonsense. I never said that. Im being called dense and an idiot on multiple times by a guy who comes back here after seven years of absence and somehow feels entitled to berate all the community effort being made by statements like this: On April 16 2017 03:56 iNcontroL wrote: This thread has some really disgusting shit in here. Most of the people you guys are talking about did more for the BW scene than any one of you have ever done by a order of magnitude on levels you'd probably not like to hear about. you asked for respect, i gave it long before you ask. It would be silly of me not to, because i remember those days, i didn't join this community in 2012. I asked you for respect in return, you apparently think your beyond that because you and your friends did more for the game then anybody else ever. By your own definition, incontrol. Who is acting like an elitist here? I agree with you, moderation could be more strict. Towards people like you who feel entitled to throw around insults because other people do not fully agree to your self-centred perception of achievement. | ||
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
On April 16 2017 13:21 ROOTFayth wrote: I find it weird that some people are obsessed by broodwar but never even played at a high level.... Like who cares if you stayed all those years on broodwar playing a few UMS here and there and watching pro games lol, we never cared about these people, the reason we left broodwar is because everybody was leaving, every good active competitor in the foreign scene. As previous people said, when you join bnet and everyone on your friend list is always offline it gets quite boring and feels completely dead. join fish and get some losses. You'll quickly find your competition. | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
And that also means that a 'defense' for all these people that did the same thing, be it Incontrol or ret or whoever, they are also 'defending' their own actions. These top foreigner SC BW amateurs, they knew there would be opportunities with SC2. And they took them. Many had quite a few nice and unique experiences that wouldn't have happened in their life otherwise. I mean, even someone like FrozenArbiter, who wasn't even good at SC BW, managed to get a career in SC2 somehow. Of course that was also because of the Blizzard vs Kespa war, but it did give them unique opportunities. I played games with all these people back in the day, but I went my own way. Many of us weren't made for practicing hardcore like a Korean, or trying to carve out a niche as an internet personality. But some f us saw the commercial opportunity that was SC2, and it was very big. And they ran with it, even though they realized very early on that the game was very flawed, and kept very silent about it. "Not good at BW" I was A+ on PGTour, you pompous buffoon. That might not be Korean pro level but it's very far from 'not good'. That's not to say that it's untrue that the KeSPA/Blizz debacle wasn't a huge benefit to myself and anyone else without a professional BW background. | ||
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PharaphobiaSC
Czech Republic457 Posts
On April 16 2017 18:58 dignitas.merz wrote: I think why many people whom left BW for SC2 (including myself) are defending Day9 is because the accusations are directed towards all of us. The frustration stems from, at least for me, that you seem to think that you are entitled to some sort of an applause because you stuck with BW all this time. No one on the "opposite side" is demanding any applause for the amount of hard work they kept putting into BW for 10+ years (1999 - 2009) to keep the game floating in the western world (excluding S Korea here) and this is why this feels like a giant slap in the fucking face to be frank. This is not a pissing contest nor should it be, but somehow I cant shake the feeling that we (as in the people who left for sc2) have to prove our worth to be accepted into a community we all helped to build long before any of the people who kept it going after sc2s release was even here. This is all fucking absurd. We all love Brood War for the beautiful and awesome game it was and still is. We all have memories we will cheerish for the rest of our lives due to the game. Let us just cheerish what Brood War is instead of making it into a competition of whom contributed more to the scene or not. Let us stop attacking people personally with accusations that have no real basis in reality. It saddens me to see people attacking FrozenArbiter for example implying he wasnt "good enough" for BW and thus moved on. FA was one of the heaviest contributors to TL.net and one of the most passionate and skilled foreigners that existed. He was one of few who would actually practice with and get accepted into South korean clans. Making accusations like this is just mean and shows that the person claiming this really has no clue. A lot of people in this thread are making the argument that the people who have been gone for years cant know the hard work that others had to put in to keep BW going these years. The same argument can be applied to Day9, Artosis, or FrozenArbiter. You literally have no clue about the work these people put in. So please, lets just respect both sides and the work each respective side put into the game we all love and end this ridiculously childish debate. Good job... Now where do i need to apply for permission to play BW? where is the elitist office pls ;p | ||
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PharaphobiaSC
Czech Republic457 Posts
On April 16 2017 17:33 mca64Launcher_ wrote: Sc2 > bw Thank you. lol XD | ||
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TT1
Canada10013 Posts
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6807 Posts
On April 16 2017 20:08 Liquid`Jinro wrote: "Not good at BW" I was A+ on PGTour, you pompous buffoon. That might not be Korean pro level but it's very far from 'not good'. everytime a meet an old school player B- on iccup he tell me he was A+ Pgtour :p ,there are legends that Androide made A+ with every race on pgtour.so how hard was to get A+ on pgtour in your opinion ?i started late playing BW  | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
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