EPTOn April 16 2017 11:17 KiWiKaKi wrote:
sup doods got my popcorn ready
sup doods got my popcorn ready
where you been all this time though?
Day[9] talks Brood War hype, plans for new series - Page 10
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50107 Posts
where you been all this time though? | ||
FlaShFTW
United States10110 Posts
On April 16 2017 11:35 BigFan wrote: Well, this thread certainly went in a different direction than the OP anticipated. For my part, I think it's cool to see Day9 wanting to make BW content again. I honestly never watched much of his videos, BW or SCII despite realizing they are treasures in the eyes of many fans. I preferred to just play the game, watch vods and come to my own conclusions regarding how to play the various matchups etc... However, if they are as good as I've heard, I'm sure they will be helpful to new and old BW fans. Now, in terms of this current discussion going on, I think both sides should just calm down for a bit. I have no issues with any of the older casters or players coming back to cast/play BW again. They are well within their right to do as they wish, not like anyone has a monopoly on the game or can dictate who does what. I also disagree with this idea of them ditching BW. Rather, I'm looking at it from an economical perspective. They have to make a living so it only makes sense that they did what was viable for their livelihood. Maybe it's because I'm not really attached to any of them so I don't feel this 'betrayal', dunno really. However, what I have issues with is comments like this game is so dead or has been dead etc... These are terrible comments that don't lend to a good discussion. Foreign BW fell in terms of activity, sure but the game never died. ICCup still had players and has been increasing since those dark years. TL has continued to provide great coverage since the SSL days with all the drama around them. We've all followed the rise and fall of SSL, KSL, watched player steams on snipealot, the return of old stars, people translated interviews, people participated in LR threads and organized tournaments including TLC, TLS and defiler etc... The scene was reduced in size because many left after the last OSL but the passion was still there. If anything, you can even argue that the passion was stronger in some ways. Only someone who was contributing at the time and putting a lot of effort into doing so will understand just how bad it feels to spend a ton of time writing/casting something only to get so many views/comments or viewers. This extends to any and all contributors. Really, the only thing you were running on is passion for the game and hoping that, that article or cast you did will help introduce more players into the community. I personally think it's insulting that a lot of the people who stuck around and contributed seem to be brushed aside in a way. Not saying it's purposeful but they get overshadowed in these discussions. People like Bisudagger, Sayle etc... who put a ton of time and effort casting every tournament and in BD's case, even looking and finding sponsors on top of hosting his own shows and making deals etc... It's easy for someone who rarely follows the scene anymore to completely gloss over this stuff. Anyways, I think overall, having Day9 back can only be good for the scene but I do ask that anyone who has come back to the community to give their due respects to those people who hung in there and have constantly worked for the benefit of the community despite the bleak outlook during those times. Personally, I think TL and the community in general would've been in a much worse shape if no one decided to do anything. Thank you for this. | ||
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Starlightsun
United States1405 Posts
He was posting on Teamliquid 2 but just came back. | ||
Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37003 Posts
A simple thread about Day[9] planning on making content about BW derailed into a BW vs SC2 shit-storm again?! Damn people... Why can't we enjoy multiple things? Where is the damn rule that someone HAS to love and enjoy BW only and can never move on to anything else? Where is the rule that says that person can't come back to BW later on? Good god... Look at all these TL staff people and former staff people coming in here to defend Day[9] and shit... Keep this under control or this thread's going to get locked. | ||
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KiWiKaKi
Canada691 Posts
just chillin | ||
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Carminedust
487 Posts
Hows life going ? | ||
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ortseam
996 Posts
On April 16 2017 11:35 BigFan wrote: However, what I have issues with is comments like this game is so dead or has been dead etc... I think it's actually true from their point of view though. The game WAS actually dead for people like Tastosis etc., they weren't really playing or following the scene. It is also true for a lot of people (casuals) who stopped playing/watching for various reasons. And of course there is no blame there, and can only be good that they are coming back. | ||
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Broodwar4lyf
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Phyanketto
United States505 Posts
On April 16 2017 12:01 Broodwar4lyf wrote: I welcome Tastosis and Day9 and If SC:R flops and ratings are bad and they move to another new game that's understandable as well. They've moved on in life unlike me who seemingly cant let go of this game haha I mean, all they're doing to BW is making improvements, and they sat down with TBLS at least to ensure everything was acceptable, I can't see this doing anything to hurt the community. If anything it will just add new blood and renewed interest, and probably have at least a few big korean tournaments. We don't really have much to lose, because people playing it right now are playing/supporting the scene and game purely out of passion, and I can't see this somehow making their passion fade. I also don't understand the hate for Day[9] coming back. I mean, sure, I wish he used his massive fame and following to make some "let's get into broodwar" videos before this, injecting new interest and players into the community, but it's better late than never. After he stopped doing SC2 (and even during), people followed him mostly for his personality. And while I think his on-camera persona got pretty flanderized, I think his genuine love for Broodwar is going to keep people watching, and seeing him wax poetically about the game is going to make a lot of people want to give it a try. Especially given the fact that he's explicit about it being hard, and that the mechanics are the real game. New players will be coming in with a proper mindset as opposed to people on reddit wanting pathing, MBS, infinite unit select, etc, added in. | ||
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lemmata
468 Posts
I really want him to be an evil capitalist with zero passion whose decision to return to BW is driven purely by information on profitability. Why? Because that would mean that BW is on the rise in a big way. I am going to be sad if he came back due to the reawakening of his passion because that would not be a very informative signal of BW's health at all. Sadly, everything I read here suggests that Day[9] has rediscovered his passion and is not an evil capitalist. I for one welcome any new capitalist overlords, for their investments are always informative about the likelihoods of events I care about. | ||
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
Like who cares if you stayed all those years on broodwar playing a few UMS here and there and watching pro games lol, we never cared about these people, the reason we left broodwar is because everybody was leaving, every good active competitor in the foreign scene. As previous people said, when you join bnet and everyone on your friend list is always offline it gets quite boring and feels completely dead. | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On April 16 2017 10:48 iNcontroL wrote: Completely fair to say. I shouldn't be lax when describing a large group.. it is a vocal minority. My point though (which I should have been more clear on) is that it isn't just a small group of minorities though.. there is a significant chunk of a (albeit, still small) group that DOES feel this strange angst and it has been coming out in threads for months. As a person that has been around BW traveling and competing at the highest non korean levels before these guys even sniffed the game it riles me up pretty hard.. not an excuse though you're right.. there are perfectly fine "hard core fans" who are conducting themselves 100% reasonably. Yea, I can imagine that would be...yea....unpleasant. Lets look at it this way. People don't have a problem with a new BW player coming in, playing the game, streaming, or making content. People like BRoyal, Ty2, Sero, etc. are relatively new top tier foreigners and nobody has a problem with their content. Nor do people have a problem with oldschool BW players like Sziky or TechnicS. I also don't think people have a problem with people coming from other games. If some guy that played LoL before came, started playing BW, and then made some cool videos my suspicions are everyone would enjoy the videos. Indeed I know Sero came initially from SC2 and nobody had any issues. So what's making people upset? 2000 era BW players returning to BW, and to a lesser extent new casters/players suddenly casting big events (which I somewhat can understand, especially if the knowledge/casting is weak). The common denominator: large fanbases from other games. I think two things are at work: 1)Latent SC2 animosity stemming from the "blizzard actively tried to kill BW" concept that gets tossed about, that then colors peoples perceptions of anything SC2 related. If you've never heard or played BW it's on thing to try it, but people with strong feelings this way seem to take switching to playing primarily SC2 instead of BW as an act of betrayal. 2) "Purism" for lack of a better word. There is a group of BW players that more or less treat BW as being the only competitive game you are allowed to play. To play anything else means that you're not really a true BW fan (TM), and just trying to "use" BW for some purpose. The people that think like this hold a belief that BW should only be played for personal enjoyment and the beauty of the game, and not in any way commercialized. This is also the group that I think is giving the most animosity to the 2000 era foreigners, because they see those players are coming in trying to draw viewers with BW or use it as a cash grab. I don't really understand #2 in all honestly. Does it really matter if someone wants to use BW as a vehicle for more viewers, or to make money? I'd argue no. It doesn't hurt or impact any BW player, and in truth can only serve to expose more people to the game. | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
Person B played BW, then SC2, then returned for SC:R. These are just personal choices, what games to enjoy. Person A does not deserve more "credit" or something simply for choosing to be monogamous to a hobby. There is no need to feel superior to others because you chose to be "faithful" to one, because games are not sports teams or relationships. Everyone should be happy people are playing BW again. | ||
TheEmulator
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KameZerg
Sweden1761 Posts
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ninazerg
United States7291 Posts
On April 15 2017 17:43 DickMcFanny wrote: Isn't it so weird when one brother gets all the brains and the other gets all the looks? Uh, this isn't correct. They're both intelligent and both are good-looking. Unless you're talking about your own family situation. | ||
Liquid`Zephyr
United States996 Posts
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Kwahamot
United States22 Posts
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Antisocialmunky
United States5912 Posts
Also, does anyone else feel nostalgic at seeing Incontrol back yelling at people in the BW forum?  | ||
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Little-Chimp
Canada948 Posts
Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't remember anyone making high level "tutorial" style brood war vids at such a consistent rate (for a newb like me) as day9 back in the day. I remember chill made a few dank ones, but other than that there was combat ex recording another fpvod and the like | ||
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