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Day[9] talks Brood War hype, plans for new series

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Aylear
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Norway3988 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-13 13:40:01
April 15 2017 01:26 GMT
#1
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Let's Learn Starcraft: From Zero to Hero

Schedule
      • Tuesday @ 5PM PST | Countdown:
      • Thursday @ 5PM PST | Countdown:

How to Watch
      • Livestream on Twitch
      • VODs on YouTube Playlist

Show information

Starting on September 7th, Day[9] is airing a new show called Let's Learn Starcraft. The purpose is to help bring someone from "zero to hero," from someone who knows little to nothing about StarCraft to someone who can enjoy the game as a regular player and watcher of competitive SC:R.

The show will cover a wide range of topics, from strategy to mechanics to simply covering great games of the past. The first episode will be an in-depth analysis of Stork vs Fantasy, a PvT game from the (Wiki)2008 Incruit OSL grand finals. This should get new players excited to see where the game can take you if you put some time into it.

Day[9] made a more detailed post on r/Starcraft, outlining the plans for the show going forward. You can read that below:
+ Show Spoiler [Post from Day9] +
Ahoy /r/Starcraft!

As many of you know, I am over the moon happy that StarCraft: Remastered has released. I grew up playing StarCraft as basically the only thing I did, and now I’m once again BGHing and 1v1ing away! Loads of people are revisiting StarCraft (or even trying for the first time) and, as many reddit posts have noted, the gameplay of the original StarCraft can be a bit daunting.

So, for the next several months, I’m going to be doing a twice weekly show called Let’s Learn Starcraft! The purpose is to help bring someone from “zero to hero,” from someone who knows little to nothing about StarCraft to someone who can enjoy the game as a regular player and watcher of competitive SC:R.

StarCraft is a true challenge, but once you’ve learned enough, the simple act of playing StarCraft feels so good whether you win or lose. I sincerely hope this series can help showcase the joy and beauty of StarCraft

How to Watch
  • Livestream on Twitch, 5-7pm PDT on Tuesdays and Thursdays
  • VODs on YouTube

Topics and format

There are three categories of topics that will be covered and shows may be broken into smaller chunks. For example: Zerg Micro Tuesday with four 20-25 minute videos that each focus on a different core zerg unit micro - Mutalisk, Ling/Lurker, Hydralisk, and Defiler

Strategy

How to think about strategy in StarCraft, common builds / compositions in each matchup etc.
  • What is strategy and how does it tie into execution / mechanics
  • How to practice
  • A thorough review of each matchup - common units, strategies, openings, cheeses, and counter cheeses
  • How to construct a strategy and adjust it over time
  • How to identify weaknesses and strengths in an opening build order
  • How to change plans during crisis management
  • How to scout and what signals to look for
  • A review of tactics
  • How tactical considerations can affect game-wide strategies

Mechanics

How to properly macro / micro / manage your base / manage different unit compositions etc.
  • Small scale unit control (micro)
  • Mid and large scale unit control
  • Worker scouting and management
  • Base management
  • Hotkey setups and tricks
  • Mouse and keyboard control
  • Macro
  • Building placement tricks

Awesome Matches

Let’s watch amazing games of StarCraft (some old, some new!) to see the glory of competitive Brood War! Huge thanks to OGN for providing these replays.
  • Stork vs Fantasy PvT Incruit OSL 2008 Finals
  • Jaedong vs Yellow[ArnC] ZvZ Bacchus OSL 2009 Finals
  • Iloveoov vs Reach PvT Ever OSL 2004 Semifinals
  • Movie vs Shine Ever PvZ OSL 2009 Semifinals
  • Flash vs Fantasy TvT Tving Semifinals
  • Flash vs Shine TvZ Tving Quarterfinals
  • Jangbi vs Mini PvP Tving Quarterfinals
  • And moar!

Any Questions?

Are there any topics you want me to cover? Any question you’d like to ask? Feel free to dump it in this thread. I’ll be back in an hour because I need to drop a friend off at the airport woo!


Quote Day[9]:
StarCraft is a true challenge, but once you’ve learned enough, the simple act of playing StarCraft feels so good whether you win or lose. I sincerely hope this series can help showcase the joy and beauty of StarCraft

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Preamble: Introduction to Brood War

This video is an unofficial primer for the show Let's Learn Starcraft. In it, Day[9] highlights what may be the most important aspect for you to understand as you begin to learn Brood War: The mechanical difficulty is not a barrier you must overcome so that you may then begin to play the game -- it is the game.

How you deal with that difficulty - how you choose to allocate your APM to do certain things in the game - becomes a big part of Starcraft strategy. Day[9] gives a few examples, and explains how different approaches lead to different styles of play.

- Also read: (Wiki)Mechanics Guide on Liquipedia


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Episode 0: Why Starcraft is Awesome

In this first episode of Let's Learn Starcraft, Day[9] talks about what's coming up in the show, shows off some build order examples and counter-examples to give people an idea of the multiple ways you can counter what your opponent is doing. This was to prepare everyone for episode 1 - released the same day - which was a fairly deep but newbie-friendly analysis of the Stork vs Fantasy 2008 Incruit Grand Finals.

As new episodes come out, I will post them in a playlist below, adding topics to each one so that it will be easier to find the ones you're looking for. I hope you all tune in to his streams for future episodes!


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+ Show Spoiler [Old announcement post] +

In case you've missed it, Sean "Day[9]" Plott has talked about his hype for Starcraft: Remastered on his stream lately, and since it's Day[9] talking about Starcraft it's pretty damn good.

First off, he made a rant about what Brood War is and why it's so beautiful. He talked about how the mechanics of Starcraft is what defines the game, that the control limitations are not obstacles to overcome so that you can then play StarCraft, but that these limitations is exactly what StarCraft is. Here's his rant on Brood War if you want to hear it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EP9F-AZezCU

Earlier in the same gaming session he talked briefly about his plans for video content surrounding SC: Remastered. It was a sporadic talk since he was playing Hearthstone at the time, but he gets into his general ideas for upcoming content.



SC:R content talk begins at 55:45 (the video should start there when you press play), and continues on and off until his main rant [the one above] begins at 1:10:52.

Out of all the things SC:R is bringing back, Day[9] talking about StarCraft again is one of my favorites. Sean, your content has always been great, and you have always gotten people interested who wouldn't ordinarily understand why Starcraft is so good. You are the man, and I hope you have a lot of fun this summer. <3



UPDATE:

Day[9] made a post on r/Starcraft about his upcoming show. Check it out!
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Phyanketto
Profile Joined September 2011
United States601 Posts
April 15 2017 01:37 GMT
#2
Good! I'm looking forward to him making broodwar easily digestible for people who aren't into it, and I hope he doesn't just tailor it towards SC2 players.
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Moobutt
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1996 Posts
April 15 2017 02:15 GMT
#3
Oh god damnit. Now I'm going down the Brood War rabbithole watching old VODs and shit.

Anyways, Day9 mentions the Bisu vs Savior finals in the video. I went and did some digging... He actually casted it with Nony/Tyler back in the day. Here's a link to the thread with the videos embedded.
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fabiano
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Brazil4644 Posts
April 15 2017 02:24 GMT
#4
Come back Day[9]!!!
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ruypture
Profile Joined May 2014
United States367 Posts
April 15 2017 02:55 GMT
#5
any aesthetically pleasing content for brood war is always welcome.
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Lachrymose
Profile Joined February 2008
Australia1928 Posts
April 15 2017 03:00 GMT
#6
The cold hard truth behind everyone that thinks mechanics are mindless, I should be able to beat people with strategy is You Are Not That Smart.

You think because you can tell something is scissors that you should just click the rock button and get an advantage. Everybody else would also click the rock button, you haven't done anything clever or innovative. In fact, within moments of picking up the game everybody knows to look out for scissors so they can respond with rock before they even click find match. You haven't made the game smart, you've made the game dumb.

Broodwar is at its best when it's really hard to tell that person is doing is scissors. And after that it's really hard to figure out which one of your options is rock. Broodwar does this by being punishingly difficult to play. The sheer difficulty and the fact that everybody has difficulties in different areas, because it has a lot of skillsets, is what obfuscates the RPS.

If Broodwar was easier strategy wouldn't get more important. Strategy would stop existing. The thing that would get more important is game balance. What a nightmare.
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TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10045 Posts
April 15 2017 03:03 GMT
#7
I'd watch every second of day[9]'s bw stream. 10 hours a day every day, try me.
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Phyanketto
Profile Joined September 2011
United States601 Posts
April 15 2017 05:40 GMT
#8
On April 15 2017 12:03 TT1 wrote:
I'd watch every second of day[9]'s bw stream. 10 hours a day every day, try me.

there will be vods, assumedly
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FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
April 15 2017 06:28 GMT
#9
Day9 is all over the place. I thought he was just getting into Dota 2 now with the Purge teaches Day9 thing.
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ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-16 06:51:36
April 15 2017 06:33 GMT
#10
Edit: nvm

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flowSthead
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1065 Posts
April 15 2017 06:42 GMT
#11
On April 15 2017 12:00 Lachrymose wrote:
The cold hard truth behind everyone that thinks mechanics are mindless, I should be able to beat people with strategy is You Are Not That Smart.

You think because you can tell something is scissors that you should just click the rock button and get an advantage. Everybody else would also click the rock button, you haven't done anything clever or innovative. In fact, within moments of picking up the game everybody knows to look out for scissors so they can respond with rock before they even click find match. You haven't made the game smart, you've made the game dumb.

Broodwar is at its best when it's really hard to tell that person is doing is scissors. And after that it's really hard to figure out which one of your options is rock. Broodwar does this by being punishingly difficult to play. The sheer difficulty and the fact that everybody has difficulties in different areas, because it has a lot of skillsets, is what obfuscates the RPS.

If Broodwar was easier strategy wouldn't get more important. Strategy would stop existing. The thing that would get more important is game balance. What a nightmare.


Isn't that assuming that strategy only functions in a rock/paper/scissors scenario? Perfect information doesn't negate strategy, otherwise games like Chess or Go wouldn't exist. You can create strategy that doesn't depend on a three choice scenario.
"You can be creative but I will crush it under the iron fist of my conservative play." - Liquid`Tyler █ MVP ■ MC ■ Boxer ■ Grubby █
HaN-
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
France1920 Posts
April 15 2017 06:52 GMT
#12
This rant from Day[9] is the best explanation I've ever heard of what is Brood War and why it's awesome.
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51092 Posts
April 15 2017 06:56 GMT
#13
On April 15 2017 15:33 ninazerg wrote:
I like how he's like "StarCraft is the best game ever!", "I've been playing it since 5th grade!", "I can't wait for Brood War to come out!"

...dude, you left for SC2.

so?
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iFU.pauline
Profile Joined September 2009
France1728 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-15 07:20:20
April 15 2017 07:19 GMT
#14
On April 15 2017 15:56 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2017 15:33 ninazerg wrote:
I like how he's like "StarCraft is the best game ever!", "I've been playing it since 5th grade!", "I can't wait for Brood War to come out!"

...dude, you left for SC2.

so?


So if it was the "best game ever" he would have not left for sc2, just like me and many others for instance, easy enough for you?
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51092 Posts
April 15 2017 07:25 GMT
#15
On April 15 2017 16:19 iFU.pauline wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2017 15:56 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On April 15 2017 15:33 ninazerg wrote:
I like how he's like "StarCraft is the best game ever!", "I've been playing it since 5th grade!", "I can't wait for Brood War to come out!"

...dude, you left for SC2.

so?


So if it was the "best game ever" he would have not left for sc2, just like me and many others for instance, easy enough for you?

I don't remember him burning any bridges when he left.
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Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3174 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-15 08:15:37
April 15 2017 07:35 GMT
#16
Are we turning this into SC2 vs BW thread right of page one? :D
flowSthead
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1065 Posts
April 15 2017 07:38 GMT
#17
On April 15 2017 16:19 iFU.pauline wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2017 15:56 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On April 15 2017 15:33 ninazerg wrote:
I like how he's like "StarCraft is the best game ever!", "I've been playing it since 5th grade!", "I can't wait for Brood War to come out!"

...dude, you left for SC2.

so?


So if it was the "best game ever" he would have not left for sc2, just like me and many others for instance, easy enough for you?


That's not a very logical point. It's not like he stopped watching BroodWar either. Even in full SC2 mode, Day9 would still talk about BroodWar being his favorite game and still watching BroodWar games. There are so many mitigating circumstances for any choice someone makes, but more importantly it does not have to be, and never has been, an either/or. He can like both.
"You can be creative but I will crush it under the iron fist of my conservative play." - Liquid`Tyler █ MVP ■ MC ■ Boxer ■ Grubby █
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51092 Posts
April 15 2017 07:42 GMT
#18
On April 15 2017 16:35 Wrath wrote:
Are turning this into SC2 vs BW thread right of page one? :D

It has nothing to do with that.

But if you want to start go ahead, I'll have your account though.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3174 Posts
April 15 2017 08:12 GMT
#19
On April 15 2017 16:42 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2017 16:35 Wrath wrote:
Are turning this into SC2 vs BW thread right of page one? :D

It has nothing to do with that.

But if you want to start go ahead, I'll have your account though.


Why do you have to kill the fun before it even start
DickMcFanny
Profile Blog Joined September 2015
Ireland1076 Posts
April 15 2017 08:43 GMT
#20
Isn't it so weird when one brother gets all the brains and the other gets all the looks?

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