• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 17:45
CET 23:45
KST 07:45
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book15Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info8herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational14
Community News
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals (Feb 10-16)12Weekly Cups (Feb 2-8): Classic, Solar, MaxPax win2Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker8PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar)12Weekly Cups (Jan 26-Feb 1): herO, Clem, ByuN, Classic win2
StarCraft 2
General
Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker How do you think the 5.0.15 balance patch (Oct 2025) for StarCraft II has affected the game? Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book Weekly Cups (Jan 12-18): herO, MaxPax, Solar win Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info
Tourneys
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals (Feb 10-16) PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL Season 4 announced for March-April WardiTV Mondays
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ? [A] Starcraft Sound Mod
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 512 Overclocked Mutation # 511 Temple of Rebirth Mutation # 510 Safety Violation
Brood War
General
Gypsy to Korea Liquipedia.net NEEDS editors for Brood War ACS replaced by "ASL Season Open" - Starts 21/02 Recent recommended BW games [ASL21] Potential Map Candidates
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 1 KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Zealot bombing is no longer popular? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Current Meta
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Diablo 2 thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread ZeroSpace Megathread EVE Corporation
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Ask and answer stupid questions here! Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Sex and weight loss
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club! The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
ADHD And Gaming Addiction…
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2201 users

Day[9] talks Brood War hype, plans for new series - Page 13

Forum Index > BW General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 11 12 13 14 15 20 Next All
fabiano
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Brazil4644 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-16 13:32:41
April 16 2017 13:30 GMT
#241
Now that everyone is gathered here: TL, please host a new BW TSL!!!
"When the geyser died, a probe came out" - SirJolt
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
April 16 2017 13:46 GMT
#242
On April 16 2017 22:30 fabiano wrote:
Now that everyone is gathered here: TL, please host a new BW TSL!!!

Too busy focusing on the future of ESPORTS, Civ 6.
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
TL+ Member
LV_426
Profile Joined December 2009
Poland432 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-16 14:24:21
April 16 2017 14:22 GMT
#243
On April 16 2017 20:15 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2017 20:08 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
And that also means that a 'defense' for all these people that did the same thing, be it Incontrol or ret or whoever, they are also 'defending' their own actions. These top foreigner SC BW amateurs, they knew there would be opportunities with SC2. And they took them. Many had quite a few nice and unique experiences that wouldn't have happened in their life otherwise. I mean, even someone like FrozenArbiter, who wasn't even good at SC BW, managed to get a career in SC2 somehow. Of course that was also because of the Blizzard vs Kespa war, but it did give them unique opportunities.
I played games with all these people back in the day, but I went my own way. Many of us weren't made for practicing hardcore like a Korean, or trying to carve out a niche as an internet personality. But some f us saw the commercial opportunity that was SC2, and it was very big. And they ran with it, even though they realized very early on that the game was very flawed, and kept very silent about it.

"Not good at BW"

I was A+ on PGTour, you pompous buffoon. That might not be Korean pro level but it's very far from 'not good'.

everytime a meet an old school player B- on iccup he tell me he was A+ Pgtour :p ,there are legends that Androide made A+ with every race on pgtour.so how hard was to get A+ on pgtour in your opinion ?i started late playing BW


not sure about a+, but getting A- in few seasons was pretty easy..
remember once, like top ~30 players from Poland had A-/A
kogeT
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2041 Posts
April 16 2017 14:25 GMT
#244
It all depends which year we are talking about, as at the beginning there were so many pros on the ladder that it was impossible for a non-kor to get a decent rank (unless abusing). This situations has been changing quickly and we've quickly seen high level foreigners that got to top of ranking by playing each other and avoiding koreans.
https://www.twitch.tv/kogetbw
Cele
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Germany4016 Posts
April 16 2017 14:34 GMT
#245
On April 16 2017 23:25 kogeT wrote:
It all depends which year we are talking about, as at the beginning there were so many pros on the ladder that it was impossible for a non-kor to get a decent rank (unless abusing). This situations has been changing quickly and we've quickly seen high level foreigners that got to top of ranking by playing each other and avoiding koreans.


true. Fish ranks are just more meaningful today when you talk about skill in top foreigners. ICCup doesn't provide the right environment or ladder system for the top.
Broodwar for life!
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50625 Posts
April 16 2017 14:47 GMT
#246
On April 16 2017 22:30 fabiano wrote:
Now that everyone is gathered here: TL, please host a new BW TSL!!!


what I'd really like is if we ever reach a number of active palyers reach a count where we can have a gambit cup again.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
kogeT
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2041 Posts
April 16 2017 15:30 GMT
#247
Fish ranks are also getting less and less relevant with latest point systems.
https://www.twitch.tv/kogetbw
ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
April 16 2017 16:27 GMT
#248
for what it's worth there was one season on PGTour that for some reason we got all higher rank, I was A+ too and so were a bunch of other top foreigners, I don't remember why everybody had gotten that high, I think the season had just lasted longer or something
Puosu
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
7002 Posts
April 16 2017 16:32 GMT
#249
On April 16 2017 23:22 LV_426 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2017 20:15 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
On April 16 2017 20:08 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
And that also means that a 'defense' for all these people that did the same thing, be it Incontrol or ret or whoever, they are also 'defending' their own actions. These top foreigner SC BW amateurs, they knew there would be opportunities with SC2. And they took them. Many had quite a few nice and unique experiences that wouldn't have happened in their life otherwise. I mean, even someone like FrozenArbiter, who wasn't even good at SC BW, managed to get a career in SC2 somehow. Of course that was also because of the Blizzard vs Kespa war, but it did give them unique opportunities.
I played games with all these people back in the day, but I went my own way. Many of us weren't made for practicing hardcore like a Korean, or trying to carve out a niche as an internet personality. But some f us saw the commercial opportunity that was SC2, and it was very big. And they ran with it, even though they realized very early on that the game was very flawed, and kept very silent about it.

"Not good at BW"

I was A+ on PGTour, you pompous buffoon. That might not be Korean pro level but it's very far from 'not good'.

everytime a meet an old school player B- on iccup he tell me he was A+ Pgtour :p ,there are legends that Androide made A+ with every race on pgtour.so how hard was to get A+ on pgtour in your opinion ?i started late playing BW


not sure about a+, but getting A- in few seasons was pretty easy..
remember once, like top ~30 players from Poland had A-/A

On the other hand I remember there being periods during which if a foreign flag player reached A+ it was to be heavily discussed in the ``Who is Who'' threads. Surely it was a bit special back then.

(FA was also unquestionably an elite BW player lol)
Eridanus
Profile Joined April 2017
United States75 Posts
April 16 2017 16:46 GMT
#250
When people say they were A+ on PGTour, it always sounds like they were only A+ during that season where everyone was A+ on PGTour.

Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11413 Posts
April 16 2017 17:08 GMT
#251
On April 17 2017 01:46 Eridanus wrote:
When people say they were A+ on PGTour, it always sounds like they were only A+ during that season where everyone was A+ on PGTour.


Did you know about that season prior to it being mentioned in this thread? It follows that those that made a career of either Starcrafts is a self-selecting group from the top and not randomly distributed from the entire ladder. Why are you popping in here to denigrate people's credentials? Stop it.
Moderator"In Trump We Trust," says the Golden Goat of Mars Lago. Have faith and believe! Trump moves in mysterious ways. Like the wind he blows where he pleases...
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
April 16 2017 17:18 GMT
#252
On April 17 2017 01:27 ROOTFayth wrote:
for what it's worth there was one season on PGTour that for some reason we got all higher rank, I was A+ too and so were a bunch of other top foreigners, I don't remember why everybody had gotten that high, I think the season had just lasted longer or something

It was around the time that there was that stupid hatchery-cancel game crash bug right? Not the weakest season ever but not the strongest indeed.

Still, nobody who was bad at BW got to A+.

Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
avilo
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States4100 Posts
April 16 2017 17:48 GMT
#253
There's gonna be a lot of old Brood War players coming back to Brood War because of SC:Remastered. There'll be a lot of new players too...

SC: Remastered will be a "new" game for everyone, including the former Brood War players. How is it difficult to understand people want to come back to the game to create content for it lol. The Brood War elitists should be happy as fuck more attention will be brought to Brood War, especially within the "foreign" community.

Will people be making content for SC: Remastered as a "cash grab?" LOL. Facepalms, yes and no - content creators make content to earn a living...so yes obviously there will be some people that suddenly start playing and will make a few videos, blogs, or whatever and then disappear. How is that different from any other fuckin new game that comes out lol

I think a lot of people have to realize SC: Remastered is essentially going to be treated as a "new" game despite many players here and elsewhere may be playing Brood War actively since 1998.

I also think you'll easily be able to differentiate between the genuine Brood War enthusiasts like Day[9], incontrol, hell even myself, from the random youtuber that pops up and makes one SC: Remastered video in his fake ass youtube broadcaster voice and then disappears xD
Sup
ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
April 16 2017 18:07 GMT
#254
On April 17 2017 02:18 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2017 01:27 ROOTFayth wrote:
for what it's worth there was one season on PGTour that for some reason we got all higher rank, I was A+ too and so were a bunch of other top foreigners, I don't remember why everybody had gotten that high, I think the season had just lasted longer or something

It was around the time that there was that stupid hatchery-cancel game crash bug right? Not the weakest season ever but not the strongest indeed.

Still, nobody who was bad at BW got to A+.


yeah obviously all the A+ were pretty good players, prob not compared to the A+ koreans in iccup but among foreigners they had all respectable skill level

find it hilarious when the railbirds call top foreigners bad because they could not compete with top koreans
Phyanketto
Profile Joined September 2011
United States601 Posts
April 16 2017 23:54 GMT
#255
On April 16 2017 22:46 Ansibled wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2017 22:30 fabiano wrote:
Now that everyone is gathered here: TL, please host a new BW TSL!!!

Too busy focusing on the future of ESPORTS, Civ 6.

Speaking of, whatever happened to that browser RTS day[9] was working on with artillery games?
세 가지 제어
trutaCz
Profile Joined October 2011
Poland686 Posts
April 17 2017 00:15 GMT
#256
On April 16 2017 22:30 fabiano wrote:
Now that everyone is gathered here: TL, please host a new BW TSL!!!



I would like to see a new TSL but with koreans, no joke.
yo~.~
ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
April 17 2017 00:31 GMT
#257
On April 17 2017 09:15 trutaCz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2017 22:30 fabiano wrote:
Now that everyone is gathered here: TL, please host a new BW TSL!!!



I would like to see a new TSL but with koreans, no joke.

What exactly would the difference be with standard pro leagues?
ortseam
Profile Joined April 2015
996 Posts
April 17 2017 00:34 GMT
#258
The pro part
trutaCz
Profile Joined October 2011
Poland686 Posts
April 17 2017 00:35 GMT
#259
It just motivates foreigners to get better, also way more exciting to watch some games between foreigners and korean top players. We could see foreigners practicing more for sure.
yo~.~
althaz
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia1001 Posts
April 17 2017 00:39 GMT
#260
On April 15 2017 14:40 Phyanketto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2017 12:03 TT1 wrote:
I'd watch every second of day[9]'s bw stream. 10 hours a day every day, try me.

there will be vods, assumedly

Correct, which means *I'll* watch it twice.
The first rule we don't talk about race conditions. of race conditions is
Prev 1 11 12 13 14 15 20 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 1h 15m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 485
SteadfastSC 144
NeuroSwarm 132
ForJumy 51
StarCraft: Brood War
Mini 123
UpATreeSC 102
firebathero 65
NaDa 24
Dota 2
syndereN541
canceldota105
capcasts58
Counter-Strike
adren_tv655
minikerr13
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King77
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor163
Other Games
summit1g4696
Grubby3676
ToD246
Liquid`Hasu245
C9.Mang0140
Trikslyr72
ROOTCatZ38
shahzam3
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV26
StarCraft 2
angryscii 21
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Reevou 14
• mYiSmile11
• Kozan
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Migwel
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV692
League of Legends
• Doublelift3161
• TFBlade1293
Other Games
• imaqtpie1462
• Shiphtur223
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
1h 15m
Escore
11h 15m
LiuLi Cup
12h 15m
Serral vs Zoun
Cure vs Classic
Big Brain Bouts
18h 15m
ByuN vs GgMaChine
Serral vs Jumy
RSL Revival
1d 4h
RSL Revival
1d 9h
LiuLi Cup
1d 12h
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
1d 13h
RSL Revival
1d 19h
Replay Cast
2 days
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
LiuLi Cup
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
LiuLi Cup
3 days
Wardi Open
3 days
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
OSC
4 days
WardiTV Winter Champion…
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
WardiTV Winter Champion…
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
The PondCast
6 days
KCM Race Survival
6 days
WardiTV Winter Champion…
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-02-10
Rongyi Cup S3
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals
Nations Cup 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: W8
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 1st Round
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 1st Round Qualifier
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 2nd Round
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 2nd Round Qualifier
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
WardiTV Winter 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
FISSURE Playground #3
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.