EPTFlash vs Guemchi: 20-4 (Spon Matches)
Flash's TvP this month: 38-8 (82.3%)
4-1 vs Bisu, 3-2 vs Best, 12-3 vs Shuttle, 2-1 vs Rain, 5-0 vs Free, 2-0 vs Snow, 6-0 vs Stork, 3-1 vs Tyson, 1-0 vs Sky
[ASL] Round of 8 Groups - Page 5
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classicyellow83
United States2393 Posts
Flash vs Guemchi: 20-4 (Spon Matches) Flash's TvP this month: 38-8 (82.3%) 4-1 vs Bisu, 3-2 vs Best, 12-3 vs Shuttle, 2-1 vs Rain, 5-0 vs Free, 2-0 vs Snow, 6-0 vs Stork, 3-1 vs Tyson, 1-0 vs Sky | ||
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PVJ
Hungary5221 Posts
If it's a BO5 all the way I guess they'll use 3 from the group stages (one of them possibly twice for the 5th match) but that still means that oen map has to be added. I'm wondering if this is announced already and it's just me who didn't notice anything in this regard. | ||
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
On December 29 2016 02:36 classicyellow83 wrote: Guemchi has no chance. Flash vs Guemchi: 20-4 (Spon Matches) Flash's TvP this month: 38-8 (82.3%) 4-1 vs Bisu, 3-2 vs Best, 12-3 vs Shuttle, 2-1 vs Rain, 5-0 vs Free, 2-0 vs Snow, 6-0 vs Stork, 3-1 vs Tyson, 1-0 vs Sky After all this time BeSt is still the one with the better record against Flash. 6-0 vs Stork is brutal | ||
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classicyellow83
United States2393 Posts
On December 29 2016 03:08 endy wrote: After all this time BeSt is still the one with the better record against Flash. 6-0 vs Stork is brutal Top 3 vs Flash #1 Effort: 54-65 #2 Best: 52-71 #3 Bisu: 41-57 And yes. Flash has winning record against everyone. | ||
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classicyellow83
United States2393 Posts
On December 29 2016 03:04 PVJ wrote: Do we know anything about the map pool? If it's a BO5 all the way I guess they'll use 3 from the group stages (one of them possibly twice for the 5th match) but that still means that oen map has to be added. I'm wondering if this is announced already and it's just me who didn't notice anything in this regard. Each player picks 1 map to take out for game 1 and 5. So the map orders will be different for all groups. Far as i know Best took out CB and Hero took out Benzene. The maps are Circuit Breaker, Eye of the Storm, Benzene, and Demian. | ||
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classicyellow83
United States2393 Posts
Everyone is gonna take out Circuit Breaker against Flash. Maybe not JD. JD loves himself some circuit breaker. | ||
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Jealous
10415 Posts
On December 29 2016 03:15 classicyellow83 wrote: Top 3 vs Flash #1 Effort: 54-65 #2 Best: 52-71 #3 Bisu: 41-57 And yes. Flash has winning record against everyone. We should keep in mind that players probably prepare differently for pre-determined MU in ASL than they do for sponsored matches. I feel like this could work in the favor of some of Flash's opponents. | ||
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shaggles
Poland108 Posts
Hero is in my opinion good candidate for the final match. I would like to see if there are any other robust counters to proxy BBS apart from 3Hatch.b.P. Hero's focus on playing vs P may work to his advantage in semis if Bisu is through. Will it do? Hope it will. I hope Guemchi will not lose the match in his head before games start. But odds are surely against him. The fourth match is the second interesting one, considered current skill level of both players. I will give the edge to JD, but that's only because I play Z. In the current form JD probably fall to Flash like 1-3. I hope not, but... And it would be fun, if Hero is able to dismantle Flash since almost no one is calling that  | ||
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classicyellow83
United States2393 Posts
Flash: "I lost more than I won on Benzene during practice preparing for ASL. | ||
FlaShFTW
United States10622 Posts
On December 28 2016 12:29 darktreb wrote: Yeah, I don't think anyone's claiming he's been great in leagues, or even performed near his standard. But he won the most important league once, and got second in another decent league. And yeah, he lost some BO3's or round robin 3 game / dual tournaments where he was a favorite. It's not great for sure, but those are still top ~5 results out of all players. Just feels like this has turned into one of those situations where you start with a small sample size --> big narrative --> now everyone's on the lookout for the narrative, thus further amplifying it. "some bo3s or round robin" is an understatement. when you play in 8 tournaments and lose in the group stages in 6 of them, yeah, your win looks like a fluke. consistency proves results, not a random fluke win in an offline tournament. shuttle's win looks more and more like a fluke after he got smashed in groups in asl2. same with sharp. | ||
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Jealous
10415 Posts
On December 29 2016 11:28 FlaShFTW wrote: "some bo3s or round robin" is an understatement. when you play in 8 tournaments and lose in the group stages in 6 of them, yeah, your win looks like a fluke. consistency proves results, not a random fluke win in an offline tournament. shuttle's win looks more and more like a fluke after he got smashed in groups in asl2. same with sharp. It's hard to compare the two tournaments because of the vastly different player pool. Sharp and Shuttle may indeed have been the best players in ASL1 on gameday, but that is no longer the case because of the influx of TBLS and co. On the grand scale of things we can say Shuttle is lucky to have won, but to say it is a fluke is not appropriate I think. Maybe I am digging too deep into semantics, but I think you see where I'm going with this. Iris beating Bisu in game 5 on RotK or Byzantium or whatever it was and continuing to not be relevant thereafter is a fluke. ForGG becoming godlike and crushing some of the best players at the time then fading immediately after his title win was a fluke. Shuttle winning ASL1 when his playing field was relatively insignificant compared to what ASL2 offers is not a fluke, it's just fortune. | ||
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CUTtheCBC
Canada91 Posts
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c3rberUs
Japan11928 Posts
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17743 Posts
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jinyung2
Luxembourg1455 Posts
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FlaShFTW
United States10622 Posts
On December 29 2016 17:13 Jealous wrote: It's hard to compare the two tournaments because of the vastly different player pool. Sharp and Shuttle may indeed have been the best players in ASL1 on gameday, but that is no longer the case because of the influx of TBLS and co. On the grand scale of things we can say Shuttle is lucky to have won, but to say it is a fluke is not appropriate I think. Maybe I am digging too deep into semantics, but I think you see where I'm going with this. Iris beating Bisu in game 5 on RotK or Byzantium or whatever it was and continuing to not be relevant thereafter is a fluke. ForGG becoming godlike and crushing some of the best players at the time then fading immediately after his title win was a fluke. Shuttle winning ASL1 when his playing field was relatively insignificant compared to what ASL2 offers is not a fluke, it's just fortune. Effort's VANT run through featured 2 super easy groups to advance from. He had to play Hiya, Zelot, and Pure in the Ro32 and still lost to Hiya. His Ro16 group was ZerO, July, and Rush and lost to ZerO but it's ZvZ so whatever. In the Round of 8 he faced Guemchi so el oh el rofl 3-1. Ro4 was a ZvZ vs ZerO so ok whatever, it's ZvZ anything can happen, and yeah, he beat Bisu 3-1. If those results weren't fluked, he should be stomping people. Seriously, 3-1 over Bisu and you can't make it out of groups anymore? That, and Bisu was probably super tilted in BoX with Zergs after an embarrassing 0-3 to Hero in the SSL11 as well. Yeah, it's a fluke from anyone who isn't a super big fanboy of EffOrt right now. For example: 41 Ranking he couldn't even get out of a group with a rusty Kal, Hiya, and a shitty TvZ in Mong. In ASL 1 he couldn't make it out of a group with mediocre PvZ free, shitty PvZ Shuttle, and meh TvZ ssak. He then lost to Bisu 1-2 in Nal_Ra which again, if 3-1 wasn't a fluke, he should have won this one. And in Thrill, he didn't even make it out of a group with Sky, Hoejja, and Sharp. I don't think I need to remind you what happened in the asl 2 either. | ||
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ThreeActPlay
United States249 Posts
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Barneyk
Sweden321 Posts
This season he seems to have adapted better and changing things up a bit. | ||
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zelderan
United States163 Posts
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Jae Zedong
407 Posts
On December 30 2016 18:49 ThreeActPlay wrote: I'm surprised that Sea's TvP was good enough to get through that group. I'm still watching old 2012 proleague VOD's and his TvP is dreadful. Don't watch vods from 2012 then, that year was a joke for BW and players didn't take it seriously. It was just sad to see formerly great players phoning in mediocre performances while practicing 80% SC2. | ||
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