EPT[ASL] Round of 8 Groups - Page 4
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Archaeo
United States397 Posts
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darktreb
United States3016 Posts
On December 27 2016 23:43 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: At some point you have to acknowledge effort's inability to preform when it matters in the post kespa era. He's simply not the best right now despite his practice results. Umm ... he won an SSL/ASL just one year ago. Against Bisu in the finals no less. He gets knocked out early in the next two leagues and suddenly it's "inability to perform in the post kespa era"? That's asinine. | ||
FlaShFTW
United States10158 Posts
On December 28 2016 11:34 darktreb wrote: Umm ... he won an SSL/ASL just one year ago. Against Bisu in the finals no less. He gets knocked out early in the next two leagues and suddenly it's "inability to perform in the post kespa era"? That's asinine. if i were you id go to liquipedia and look at how many times he gets knocked out of online tournaments as well. out of like the 5-6 tournaments hes been in, he won 1, placed 2nd at another, and the other 4 got knocked out of the groupstages. Let's take a look here starting from most recent: ASL2: Round of 24 exit (out of 24) Thrill SL: Ro16 exit (out of 16) NalRa SL: Ro8 exit (out of 8 players) ASL1: Ro16 exit (out of 16) 41 Ranking: Ro8 exit (out of 12 players) Terror NINUS: 2nd (out of 16) 41 SL: Ro32 exit (out of 32) VANT: Winner (out of 32) | ||
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art_of_turtle
United States1184 Posts
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darktreb
United States3016 Posts
On December 28 2016 11:53 FlaShFTW wrote: if i were you id go to liquipedia and look at how many times he gets knocked out of online tournaments as well. out of like the 5-6 tournaments hes been in, he won 1, placed 2nd at another, and the other 4 got knocked out of the groupstages. Let's take a look here starting from most recent: ASL2: Round of 24 exit (out of 24) Thrill SL: Ro16 exit (out of 16) NalRa SL: Ro8 exit (out of 8 players) ASL1: Ro16 exit (out of 16) 41 Ranking: Ro8 exit (out of 12 players) Terror NINUS: 2nd (out of 16) 41 SL: Ro32 exit (out of 32) VANT: Winner (out of 32) Yeah, I don't think anyone's claiming he's been great in leagues, or even performed near his standard. But he won the most important league once, and got second in another decent league. And yeah, he lost some BO3's or round robin 3 game / dual tournaments where he was a favorite. It's not great for sure, but those are still top ~5 results out of all players. Just feels like this has turned into one of those situations where you start with a small sample size --> big narrative --> now everyone's on the lookout for the narrative, thus further amplifying it. | ||
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Jealous
10152 Posts
On December 28 2016 05:29 FlaShFTW wrote: The idea of best beating hero is so absurd in a bo5. Please go look at their winrates both in post kespa and kespa. Its not even close. Best will be fortunate to take one game off hero. Beating a rusty af jaedong in a bo1 twice doesnt tell me his pvz has improved at all. I'm sorry but I'm going to have to disagree with you here. There was a point in I believe SPL '11 where Best had a monstrous PvZ record that was actually better than Bisu's. He was consistently beating top Zergs. Of course it is 2017 and not 2011 and ASL and not SPL but Best has demonstrated time and again the ability to defeat top Zergs. His laughable OSL vs. July and consequent slump paint a worse picture than the more recent reality. On December 28 2016 06:30 blade55555 wrote: I feel like Jaedong can beat Stork and got a nice draw. Unfortunately, no matter how much i wish was the case, I know that Jaedong still isn't in top form and hasn't had as much time as Flash to get back into it, so if they both do meet in the semifinals, I won't be surprised for a 3-0 flash  .Hoping Jaedong does beat Stork and somehow surprises in the semi finals though. Someone said that JD has been playing BW much longer than has been publicized. I'll try to grab a source rn. | ||
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Varbind
Canada113 Posts
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one_step
Russian Federation3 Posts
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usopsama
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ZoW
United States3983 Posts
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Broodwar4lyf
304 Posts
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Turbovolver
Australia2394 Posts
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IntoTheEmo
Singapore1169 Posts
On December 28 2016 12:54 Varbind wrote: Keep in mind Jaedong plays last, two weeks from now. I imagine he will be pumped for this and will be in form by that time. That's true. Hope you're right. Waited 5 years for LeeSsangRok! | ||
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konadora
Singapore66161 Posts
what a time | ||
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konadora
Singapore66161 Posts
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gngfn
United States1726 Posts
On December 28 2016 06:02 Crisium wrote: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/EVER2007_OSL and http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/2008_Bacchus_OSL Were the only 2 ever. They also had 3/4 TBLS make the top 4, and ended as one would expect (Stork silver both). 2008 Bachhus OSL Ro8 also contains 5 of the players in ASL Season 2 Ro8! So does http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/2009_Batoo_OSL ! Seriously, this top 8 is as good as any ever, even though it may be questionable how far from peak form some of them are, these could have fit in anywhere from 2007-2012 Pro BW. Only Guemchi never making a Ro8 in pro-BW really stands out. Oh, I totally forgot that Bisu was in the Ro8 of EVER as well. Thanks for catching. The most interesting thing to me is that this never happened in the MSL, even though it had a format more conducive than OSL to stacking the best players in the bracket stage. | ||
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r33k
Italy3402 Posts
On December 28 2016 11:53 FlaShFTW wrote: if i were you id go to liquipedia and look at how many times he gets knocked out of online tournaments as well. out of like the 5-6 tournaments hes been in, he won 1, placed 2nd at another, and the other 4 got knocked out of the groupstages. Let's take a look here starting from most recent: ASL2: Round of 24 exit (out of 24) Thrill SL: Ro16 exit (out of 16) NalRa SL: Ro8 exit (out of 8 players) ASL1: Ro16 exit (out of 16) 41 Ranking: Ro8 exit (out of 12 players) Terror NINUS: 2nd (out of 16) 41 SL: Ro32 exit (out of 32) VANT: Winner (out of 32) Ehh 120 is the top ranked WC3 player in the world and he gets knocked out of everything. If anything the guy's lacking motivation, you don't just get butterflies out of nowhere. His FP play is the only real example of someone matching up to Flash's skill level. | ||
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Jealous
10152 Posts
On December 28 2016 16:13 r33k wrote: Ehh 120 is the top ranked WC3 player in the world and he gets knocked out of everything. If anything the guy's lacking motivation, you don't just get butterflies out of nowhere. His FP play is the only real example of someone matching up to Flash's skill level. FP as in first person? I don't know if I can agree with that. Sorry if I misunderstood though, maybe you can correct me? | ||
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phosphorylation
United States2935 Posts
i hope stork makes it...at least to play flash | ||
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sixfour
England11061 Posts
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