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Croatia9479 Posts
On November 30 2016 16:35 Pippah wrote:I check this thread every now and then to see how SB is comming along. When it was announced.... 9? Months ago it sounded like matchmaking was just around the corner. Still nothing. Seems to me like the development is at a stand still. But hey, all you can do is hope  I really really hope it finishes and that it contains matchmaking. I just wanted to add one more person contributing that match making is much needed. Good job so far with shield batteri. Please continue
Actually, major parts of the matchmaking have already been finished more than five months ago. It just doesn't make any sense now to finish it, when we have ~20 users online at a time.
The remaining features that are missing can be separated into two categories. Those that need a lot of users to be useful (matchmaking, multiple chat channels etc.) and those that are needed to support a lot of users (visual/audio notifications, chat features, admin features, a ton of background stuff, etc.). Right now we're working on the latter, because it doesn't make much sense to work on the features that require a lot of users, when we don't have the means to support influx of those users quite yet. We're getting there though.
And no, the development is not at a stand still. It's progressing at the same rate it has been for the past 4 years. We're sorry we can't dedicate more time to it, since we have our normal jobs as well. No one would like to work fulltime on ShieldBattery more than us, trust me .
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Yeah I figured it was something like that, didnt want to sound to much like a spoiled brat demanding free stuff.
I have gotten beta and have played a few games (and it looks super nice!), however I dont think I logged in for over a month to play, I lack the incentive to play without ladder and skill matching around my level.
I am still going to be around when it finishes, and then you will have 20 + 1 users online 
So again keep up the good work
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On November 30 2016 16:09 Jealous wrote:
I agree that you're probably in the minority on this because I honestly feel like that is a huge game changer in a lot of positional situations. If I may ask, why do you think this would be a good addition to Brood War?
Purely for modernization, 90% of monitors sold today are 16 : 9 so it would make sense if a modern BW could use all space available on the display.
People are used to playing games with "retro" graphics these days and BW has aged pretty well visually, but I think new players would appreciate an update like that.
Do you think widescreen would benefit one race more than others?
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not races but maps, and map positions.
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On November 30 2016 13:58 tofucake wrote:
You mean the fans that are you, and not the people playing without matchmaking? You do realize that you can achieve the same result by just not using the service, right? And by doing that, you don't prevent a bunch of other people from having fun.
Are you serious?
What are you talking about dude. The comments section make it more than obvious that people want it. Just because YOU don't need it doesn't mean the rest of us don't want it.
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How will SB determine the winner for matchmaking? Does it send the results directly from the clients or will it use a system like HOTSlogs where entire replay files are uploaded to the server and then processed for information?
I think the latter would have multiple benefits because those files then can be used retroactively for new features after the release. But of course this would cause addional costs (somewhat offset by the very small BW replay size but they're there).
For example: Files could be easily accessed by admins/tribunals in the case of cheating accusations. Or, more generally, replays could be checked for potential illegal moves (I don't know if BW replays store enough information to do this, but it would be nice). And of course replays would be a good source of stats for an eventual player profile.
BTW if there was matchmaking, I would actually use my beta account and I'm probably not the only one so you could add some more users to the avg. 20 online now. But, of course, even with double the number it's a bit thin for matchmaking esp. if a part of the players then still use channels to find opponents.
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On November 30 2016 21:20 brian wrote:
not races but maps, and map positions.
Can you elaborate?
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maps were balanced around the current ratio. changing it could impact the balance.
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On November 30 2016 21:22 Cheesefome wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 13:58 tofucake wrote:
You mean the fans that are you, and not the people playing without matchmaking? You do realize that you can achieve the same result by just not using the service, right? And by doing that, you don't prevent a bunch of other people from having fun. Are you serious? What are you talking about dude. The comments section make it more than obvious that people want it. Just because YOU don't need it doesn't mean the rest of us don't want it.
no one is saying they don't want it. he's saying he can play without it, and knowing that, your suggestion of closing the beta is ridiculous.
gdi sorry i fkd the edit/quote buttons
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On November 30 2016 21:45 brian wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 21:22 Cheesefome wrote:On November 30 2016 13:58 tofucake wrote:
You mean the fans that are you, and not the people playing without matchmaking? You do realize that you can achieve the same result by just not using the service, right? And by doing that, you don't prevent a bunch of other people from having fun. Are you serious? What are you talking about dude. The comments section make it more than obvious that people want it. Just because YOU don't need it doesn't mean the rest of us don't want it. no one is saying they don't want it. he's saying he can play without it, and knowing that, your suggestion of closing the beta is ridiculous. gdi sorry i fkd the edit/quote buttons
No shit sherlock lol. Thats my entire point. No one is saying they don't want it.
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Please please please don't derail this thread into another "improve starcraft" shitfest. This has been discussed to death numerous times and all those threads are closed by now because there was no way to find common ground. Even custom hotkeys are controversial (probably only offset by the "different language versions use different hotkeys anyway" argument and even then some argue that the english layout should be the only legal one). Plus 25% extra space for widescreen goes far beyond that and would see a big backslash from a big part of the community.
There's a very good reason SB-tech is, for the most part, wrapped around the box that is Broodwar and doesn't change anything inside it.
The good news is: SB will be open source, so anyone could try to do his own version with all kinds of extra features and see if it'll be more popular. Competition is awesome.
(In fact, I bet we'll see a korean SB copy with fish style phone activation in no time so koreans can benefit from the SB improvements while staying among themselves like on fish)
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Hyrule18982 Posts
Cheeseform, your opinion is bad and you should feel bad. They aren't going to shut down beta just because there isn't matchmaking
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On November 30 2016 22:31 shin ken wrote:
Please please please don't derail this thread into another "improve starcraft" shitfest.
Hehe, alright I hear you.
It will be interesting to see what Blizzard does with the rumored "remaster", but that will be another thread in another time
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On November 30 2016 22:46 tofucake wrote:
Cheeseform, your opinion is bad and you should feel bad. God, I love when people say this.
On November 30 2016 17:24 2Pacalypse- wrote:And no, the development is not at a stand still. It's progressing at the same rate it has been for the past 4 years. We're sorry we can't dedicate more time to it, since we have our normal jobs as well. No one would like to work fulltime on ShieldBattery more than us, trust me . I know in the FAQ it says that you guys don't have or need a donation link, but this is one of those things that I'd love to send something just for solidarity and support.
Maybe anime plushies? :3
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On November 30 2016 22:10 Cheesefome wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 21:45 brian wrote:On November 30 2016 21:22 Cheesefome wrote:On November 30 2016 13:58 tofucake wrote:
You mean the fans that are you, and not the people playing without matchmaking? You do realize that you can achieve the same result by just not using the service, right? And by doing that, you don't prevent a bunch of other people from having fun. Are you serious? What are you talking about dude. The comments section make it more than obvious that people want it. Just because YOU don't need it doesn't mean the rest of us don't want it. no one is saying they don't want it. he's saying he can play without it, and knowing that, your suggestion of closing the beta is ridiculous. gdi sorry i fkd the edit/quote buttons No shit sherlock lol. Thats my entire point. No one is saying they don't want it.
you haven't addressed that closing the beta just because there's no matchmaking is a very stupid idea. which was tofus point. wanting and needing are two different things. acknowledging this acknowledges that the beta serves its purpose.
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On November 30 2016 22:31 shin ken wrote:
Please please please don't derail this thread into another "improve starcraft" shitfest.
I'm sorry but I feel like when there is a civil discussion about such matters, especially in a thread that is about a new server which is already offering new features that we haven't had in Brood War, it is NOT a shitfest and is the perfect opportunity to address these points. Why? Because 1. the sharing of ideas expands perspectives, 2. if a person is convinced that maybe X addition is not necessary, there will be less future discussion about it, and they will be equipped with more information and various viewpoints in order to handle that discussion should it arise.
On November 30 2016 19:01 BossPurple wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 16:09 Jealous wrote:
I agree that you're probably in the minority on this because I honestly feel like that is a huge game changer in a lot of positional situations. If I may ask, why do you think this would be a good addition to Brood War? Purely for modernization, 90% of monitors sold today are 16 : 9 so it would make sense if a modern BW could use all space available on the display. People are used to playing games with "retro" graphics these days and BW has aged pretty well visually, but I think new players would appreciate an update like that. Do you think widescreen would benefit one race more than others?
That's a fair point, I didn't consider that. I thought your major incentive was gameplay - that you wanted to play with a higher resolution, so I was curious what you thought would improve about gameplay and then I would have thought about how it would affect balance, but that did not happen, haha.
I agree with what brian said - the larger screen size on certain maps that don't have perfect base symmetry, like FS, would benefit one position over another. I will address this point a bit more later, but think about how on FS the top left position's vision from the Nexus would almost definitely expand to include the right edge of their base, but on the top right position it wouldn't include the bottom edge of their base. This means that drops coming from certain directions into certain bases are easier to spot.
I also think that a bigger screen size would benefit Prooss and Terran more than Zerg simply due to production facility macro. You have to consider that P and T tend to clump their production on 1 or 2 bases, whereas Zerg's production is always spread out and if there are macro Hatcheries there are rarely more then 5 from what I've seen. This means that macro gets easier for Terran and Protoss, and stays roughly the same for Zerg.
It would also greatly impact large-scale battles. It will become easier for players to coordinate flanks and use multiple spellcasters, which in my opinion should favor P > T, Z > P and possibly bio T.
With a larger resolution, certain strategies probably be harder to pull off or would be easier to mitigate damage against, such as ling runby, proxy buildings, drops, etc. This would shift the meta to a greater defender's advantage and would take strength away from certain cheese and harass options.
This is all conjecture of course but I think my apprehension about enhancing the resolution is justified.
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Hyrule18982 Posts
I'm all for a higher resolution for spectators, but the point of SB is to make BW work on modern computers, not to rebalance or enhance the game in any way.
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On December 01 2016 05:01 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 22:31 shin ken wrote:
Please please please don't derail this thread into another "improve starcraft" shitfest. I'm sorry but I feel like when there is a civil discussion about such matters, especially in a thread that is about a new server which is already offering new features that we haven't had in Brood War, it is NOT a shitfest and is the perfect opportunity to address these points. Why? Because 1. the sharing of ideas expands perspectives, 2. if a person is convinced that maybe X addition is not necessary, there will be less future discussion about it, and they will be equipped with more information and various viewpoints in order to handle that discussion should it arise.
Convincing somebody in a civil discussion is a very rare thing on the internet as you can clearly see when reading through the madness that is this, or this or this thread. Changing Broodwar seems to be an difficult, emotionally loaded topic. Besides that it's futile because tec27 clearly showed he doesn't want to change BW gameplay/balance besides very basic QoL changes like mouse sense and maybe custom hotkeys. If anyone wants more than that, he'd have to convince someone else to do it.
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On December 01 2016 05:30 shin ken wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2016 05:01 Jealous wrote:On November 30 2016 22:31 shin ken wrote:
Please please please don't derail this thread into another "improve starcraft" shitfest. I'm sorry but I feel like when there is a civil discussion about such matters, especially in a thread that is about a new server which is already offering new features that we haven't had in Brood War, it is NOT a shitfest and is the perfect opportunity to address these points. Why? Because 1. the sharing of ideas expands perspectives, 2. if a person is convinced that maybe X addition is not necessary, there will be less future discussion about it, and they will be equipped with more information and various viewpoints in order to handle that discussion should it arise. Convincing somebody in a civil discussion is a very rare thing on the internet as you can clearly see when reading through the madness that is this, or this or this thread. Changing Broodwar seems to be an difficult, emotionally loaded topic. Besides that it's futile because tec27 clearly showed he doesn't want to change BW gameplay/balance besides very basic QoL changes like mouse sense and maybe custom hotkeys. If anyone wants more than that, he'd have to convince someone else to do it.
It's a very rare thing but if you notice, BossPurple was asking questions meaning he wants answers and different opinions. This isn't an argument or debate (yet). Just because it happens /rarely/ doesn't mean we should stop trying. Even if tec27 doesn't change the resolution of the game, it's a lot more satisfying to a person asking these questions to know WHY they won't change it other than "Brood War can't be touched," or "tec won't do it."
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On November 30 2016 19:01 BossPurple wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 16:09 Jealous wrote:
I agree that you're probably in the minority on this because I honestly feel like that is a huge game changer in a lot of positional situations. If I may ask, why do you think this would be a good addition to Brood War? Purely for modernization, 90% of monitors sold today are 16 : 9 so it would make sense if a modern BW could use all space available on the display. People are used to playing games with "retro" graphics these days and BW has aged pretty well visually, but I think new players would appreciate an update like that. Do you think widescreen would benefit one race more than others?
It would benefit zergs in zvp during flank attacks
edit: What I would want is the possibility to create a map from your own folder and making UMS possible.
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