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Can broodwar make a comeback like Ages of Empires?

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cncbmb
Profile Joined August 2009
238 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-21 08:49:11
February 21 2016 08:48 GMT
#1
I've noticed alot of age of empires 2 channels and expansions the past few yeaars
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=age of empires 2

How come AoE2 was able to make a big comeback?

Will this ever happen for BW in terms of UMS? It's what I really miss the most- I could never get into melee, takes too much skill, doesn't have that silliness of UMS like a shotty LOTR sc UMS.

I can't really get into SC2 somehow it doesn't have that magic for me
duke91
Profile Joined April 2014
Germany1458 Posts
February 21 2016 08:51 GMT
#2
Because the standard blizzard servers don't work. There is literally no support for BW since 10 years. If Blizzard somehow manages to just bring out a working client, then yes.
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)STYLE START SBENU( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
chrisolo
Profile Joined May 2009
Germany2609 Posts
February 21 2016 09:10 GMT
#3
I dont know if AoE2 still has a eSport scene like BW does, but I am 99% sure it ain't as big as the eSport scene from BW is.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ - aka cReAtiVee
Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
February 21 2016 09:13 GMT
#4
AoE2 might not have as much of a proper esports presence like BW does, but it definitely has more of a grass roots resurgence outside of the dedicated fanbase. I have a much easier time getting people to try out AoE2 HD than BW.
"If you're not living in the US or are a US Citizen, please do not tell us how to vote or how you want our country to be governed." - Serpest, American Hero
Probemicro
Profile Joined February 2014
3708 Posts
February 21 2016 09:21 GMT
#5
On February 21 2016 18:10 chrisolo wrote:
I dont know if AoE2 still has a eSport scene like BW does, but I am 99% sure it ain't as big as the eSport scene from BW is.


competitive AoE2 players don't play AoE2 HD
Nazara
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
United Kingdom235 Posts
February 21 2016 09:23 GMT
#6
BW HD, support for higher resolutions, better looking sprites etc.
Anti-hack/Warden for ladder games.
Win 7-10 color bug fixes.

And watch BW coming back.

Kurbz
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia88 Posts
February 21 2016 09:35 GMT
#7
I'm still hanging out for 2018 20 year BW remastered edition xD
Never argue with an idiot, they will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.
Probemicro
Profile Joined February 2014
3708 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-21 09:37:42
February 21 2016 09:36 GMT
#8
On February 21 2016 18:23 Nazara wrote:
BW HD, support for higher resolutions, better looking sprites etc.


yes it is nice but its not gonna be some major graphical revamp, it will still be more or less the same graphical engine, the sprites will a little "nicer" and touched up ie. AoE2 HD thats all. it will still be 2d. change too much and it will no longer be the same game.
people too used to modern 3d graphics will still vomit and puke at it.

On February 21 2016 18:23 Nazara wrote:
Anti-hack/Warden for ladder games.


over the years warden is proven to be useless, as long as there is a dedicated hacker selling hacks it will just be a cat and mouse game. sc2 masters and above still has plentyyy of hackers. current BW does not have much of a hacking problem because there is no financial incentive/demand to update hacks.
sabas123
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands3122 Posts
February 21 2016 09:41 GMT
#9
I don't see a reason why people would want to go back to bw just for the UMS, Its fun but aren't there better alternatives for that?
The harder it becomes, the more you should focus on the basics.
HaN-
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
France1920 Posts
February 21 2016 09:43 GMT
#10
Blizzard is supposedly working on a revamp of BW and its other classics games.

http://blizzardwatch.com/2015/11/04/blizzard-updating-warcraft-iii-diablo-ii-and-starcraft-in-hd/
Calendaraka Foxhan
Endymion
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States3701 Posts
February 21 2016 10:06 GMT
#11
he's talking about ums not esports ~~ but yes, a new client would probably be needed for a western ums revival
Have you considered the MMO-Champion forum? You are just as irrational and delusional with the right portion of nostalgic populism. By the way: The old Brood War was absolutely unplayable
ProMeTheus112
Profile Joined December 2009
France2027 Posts
February 21 2016 10:24 GMT
#12
On February 21 2016 18:21 Probemicro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2016 18:10 chrisolo wrote:
I dont know if AoE2 still has a eSport scene like BW does, but I am 99% sure it ain't as big as the eSport scene from BW is.


competitive AoE2 players don't play AoE2 HD

really why? curious!

On February 21 2016 18:41 sabas123 wrote:
I don't see a reason why people would want to go back to bw just for the UMS, Its fun but aren't there better alternatives for that?

I think that aside from having a great editor (though WC3 or SC2 editor allow for more possibilities), BW has these two great qualities that are very important to people who like to play UMS :
1] great art (graphics, music, atmosphere)
2] great mechanics, this is super important because all the gameplay is based on that, it's hard to find a game that has better mechanics!
Garmer
Profile Joined October 2010
1286 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-21 10:28:00
February 21 2016 10:26 GMT
#13
On February 21 2016 18:10 chrisolo wrote:
I dont know if AoE2 still has a eSport scene like BW does, but I am 99% sure it ain't as big as the eSport scene from BW is.



that's not the point, the point is that now aoe is very big for a game that was basically dead and only because microsoft released an hd version

ths mean that if blizzard will release a sort of enhanced version of bw, it may be big again, maybe they can do BW without the limit of 12 unit as an option, for newbie
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4376 Posts
February 21 2016 10:28 GMT
#14
On February 21 2016 18:43 HaN- wrote:
Blizzard is supposedly working on a revamp of BW and its other classics games.

http://blizzardwatch.com/2015/11/04/blizzard-updating-warcraft-iii-diablo-ii-and-starcraft-in-hd/

I wonder if they will use this remake opportunity to shunt these games onto BNet 2.0 and close down the original Bnet?
Not that it bothers me anymore, bring on the HD remake!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
_Animus_
Profile Joined February 2011
Bulgaria1064 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-21 15:36:12
February 21 2016 13:51 GMT
#15
Bw comunity is too conservative for changes into the game, wich is hindrance i feel. For instance that wc3 mod was looking good for me, but when i go into thread and see what people think it was full of shit. Its like Bw people want to force everyone to stay in prehistoric era because touching bw is herecy, when acutally there are people who will enjoy these changes.

I know bw cant make such comeback in one area, the playerpool. On Garena AOE server i saw 10 000 players online and it was not in peak time, dont remember if its AOE 1 or 2 but that was really shoking. If you go in Gameranger server u see a similar picture, no idea about other servers. And Having to see 300+/400 players on iccup peak time makes me ask myself why is that? Probably because game is too complicated and deep to just play without puting too much effort. But that depth is what makes it interesting for me at least. If the game can become more user friendly, or have separate section of server for casual low level players and gets enough advertising it can grow significantly i think. Because if you are not from these who followed esports scene and just go back to the game for fun and get raped 5 times in a row u probably just quit forever.

One more thing, CnCnet servers (Cncnet is provider of online play for the classic CnC games CnC1 ,2, RA 1, 2, Dune 2000) have more RA1 players than Bw almost all the time, which is weird in my oppinion, because all games are just tank spam arena fights and i get bored after playing just a few games.
Luv ya BroodWar!
Fighter
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1531 Posts
February 21 2016 14:13 GMT
#16
I was thinking it might have more in common with the Melee scene. A superior game gets pushed out by a sequel, until eventually everyone realizes it and starts to go back, with stragglers hanging on and following new installments while the original great stays strong.
For Aiur???
ProMeTheus112
Profile Joined December 2009
France2027 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-21 14:29:43
February 21 2016 14:26 GMT
#17
I had no idea RA1 or AoE(2?) were getting more players than BW today. Judging on the history of the games, to me it means that BW desperately needs better casual servers easy to access? (BW always had a LOT more players than AoE 1 or 2). It's the most important thing, to just have fun games with lots of people and make friends etc, 1v1 and competition always comes on top of that and benefits from that. Need updated public servers and yeah an updated release, hopefully that's actually in blizzard's plan. I really hope it comes with a good Bnet interface for chat and custom games and all :O and a lan-mode omg^^
Gullis
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden740 Posts
February 21 2016 17:52 GMT
#18
It will never happen as long as you have to do the portfoward thing, (as well as fix additionstal lagg issues, not to mention you will probably have lagg anyway).
I would rather eat than see my children starve.
Me_ToKa
Profile Joined September 2009
Bulgaria309 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-21 18:40:03
February 21 2016 18:37 GMT
#19
On February 21 2016 18:43 HaN- wrote:
Blizzard is supposedly working on a revamp of BW and its other classics games.

http://blizzardwatch.com/2015/11/04/blizzard-updating-warcraft-iii-diablo-ii-and-starcraft-in-hd/


If I see these games in HD on my computer I can die in peace!
HoMM3 has HD too, but no random map generator..
HD versions will bring many young peoples to the older then them games xD
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10260 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-21 19:23:32
February 21 2016 19:21 GMT
#20
On February 21 2016 23:13 Fighter wrote:
I was thinking it might have more in common with the Melee scene. A superior game gets pushed out by a sequel, until eventually everyone realizes it and starts to go back, with stragglers hanging on and following new installments while the original great stays strong.

This. This is the path BW should/could take.

Brood War's popularity comes from its 1v1 scene, not UMS. It's a highly competitive game and if that's not something you're interested in, then you can find UMS on GameRanger/East/whatever. The revival of the game is dependent on its competitive scene, just like Melee. No one cares about players who do story mode or minigames or something, in the sense that those players don't really contribute much to the scene. Same with BW/UMS.

Project Melee, although nixed now, was what could be a parallel to BW HD in some ways, and probably did bring some players to regular BW. Like said above about AoE2 vs. HD, HD brought in new players and the classic is still where the true competition lies. If something like that happens for BW, I'd be happy to see people enter the scene because they were given a more aesthetically pleasing game to get hooked with, and then decided to become competitive and came to the original. But, purists and people who already value competition will probably just stick to the classic. Not to say that I won't try the HD just out of curiosity,
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