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On February 21 2016 18:23 Nazara wrote:
BW HD, support for higher resolutions, better looking sprites etc.
Anti-hack/Warden for ladder games.
Win 7-10 color bug fixes.
And watch BW coming back.
This (though personally I love the gritty star1 graphics as they are)
Plus fixing the network code. Lots of issues with not being able to host games. Needing third party plug in for LAN latency and ports.
As long as the core stays the same (pathing, 12 selection, and other BW quirks)
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I think Blizzard can just dump SC2 now that no expansions are coming? Or at least not try to kill BW actively, and be open for development
But it largely depends on them...
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What about 3vs3 though? :D that's how I got into BW, so many people playing 3v3 all the time, some UMS, some 2v2, and a lot of people simultaneously trying to get better @1v1 where the true competition is. So much memories of a lot of fun on 3v3 and just switching around between that and other things + 1v1 for serious game. It's weird because online we've always played it nearly always on that same one map, but I feel like 3vs3 has played a really important role in BW. Getting more wins on the win-loss-disc counter for your account playing 3vs3 is nice casual goal^^ but for sure 1v1 has always been very central, it is such a natural way to play the game even trying to beat a CPU in 1v1 is a normal starting goal. Also there have always been a little split where some people would just play on Fastest/Money maps all the time, BGH, or even "norush" lol
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I saw lots of people play AoE2 during lunch break at my university. I think it's because it's a less competitive game, which is more about simulation and discovering new technology levels, which takes place in a more tasteful environment than Brood War's brand of colorful and cartoony space monsters dying bloody deaths.
I think a HD version of BW could be successful though. I would certainly play it, I don't like the hyper realistic, smooth and fast paced graphics and gameplay of SC2. It's like the difference between Diablo II and III, where I consider II to be more atmospheric and enjoyable in case I just want to immerse myself in a video game world.
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On February 22 2016 04:34 purakushi wrote:Plus fixing the network code. Lots of issues with not being able to host games. Needing third party plug in for LAN latency and ports. Yeah, and this as well.
Not being able to host games was the one of the main reasons I switched to SC2.
That and lack of matchmaking (I was only C- on old iCCup ranking system), being trashed by people hosting "D/D+/C- join" and seeing later that he's 15:1 or something... yeah 
It's like the difference between Diablo II and III, where I consider II to be more atmospheric and enjoyable in case I just want to immerse myself in a video game world. Couple of years ago I would recommend you Median Ultimative mod, right now there isn't a lot of people on servers.
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On February 22 2016 06:52 Nazara wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2016 04:34 purakushi wrote:Plus fixing the network code. Lots of issues with not being able to host games. Needing third party plug in for LAN latency and ports. Yeah, and this as well. Not being able to host games was the one of the main reasons I switched to SC2. That and lack of matchmaking (I was only C- on old iCCup ranking system), being trashed by people hosting "D/D+/C- join" and seeing later that he's 15:1 or something... yeah Show nested quote + It's like the difference between Diablo II and III, where I consider II to be more atmospheric and enjoyable in case I just want to immerse myself in a video game world. Couple of years ago I would recommend you Median Ultimative mod, right now there isn't a lot of people on servers.
But what is a person supposed to do when they are 15-1 C-? They can't join B games because they will get kicked out for being low. This is part of the ladder system. Being C- is because everyone who is better than you beats you on their way past you, and everyone worse than you keeps you out of D ranks. What you're basically saying is you need a more forgiving ladder system, and that's understandable, but don't blame the individual players who are using the system correctly.
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AoE2 come back is tendentious.
Whenever a update to an old game comes out, sales and popularity rise.
BW come back? It never went much away in the first place.
Look at the number of BW and SC2 stream viewers these days and tell me which game slowly loses popularity.
Also, I never thought BW was that popular outside Korea, where there is an established huge gamer base. The game is too "ugly" and hard for contemporary gamers.
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If they made a match making system with Broodwar like they did in SC2, it would help sooooo much.
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On February 22 2016 04:21 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2016 23:13 Fighter wrote:
I was thinking it might have more in common with the Melee scene. A superior game gets pushed out by a sequel, until eventually everyone realizes it and starts to go back, with stragglers hanging on and following new installments while the original great stays strong. This. This is the path BW should/could take. Brood War's popularity comes from its 1v1 scene, not UMS. It's a highly competitive game and if that's not something you're interested in, then you can find UMS on GameRanger/East/whatever. The revival of the game is dependent on its competitive scene, just like Melee. No one cares about players who do story mode or minigames or something, in the sense that those players don't really contribute much to the scene. Same with BW/UMS. Project Melee, although nixed now, was what could be a parallel to BW HD in some ways, and probably did bring some players to regular BW. Like said above about AoE2 vs. HD, HD brought in new players and the classic is still where the true competition lies. If something like that happens for BW, I'd be happy to see people enter the scene because they were given a more aesthetically pleasing game to get hooked with, and then decided to become competitive and came to the original. But, purists and people who already value competition will probably just stick to the classic. Not to say that I won't try the HD just out of curiosity,
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I didn't realize alot of people felt the same way. I've been getting into Melee and AoE2 a ton this year and they seemed so vibrant, all sorts of youtube channels popping up and there seemed like alot of energy in the Genesis 3 melee tourney videos.
and then I look at BW US East and all the UMS have died. Used be tons of Strip Megan Fox, Lotr, helms deep, diplo etc on US BW East. And my favorite game, competitive WW2 Allied Final/TTT and WW1 5.1 or WW1 Diamond. Two years before SC2 came out there still all sorts of great WW2 BW UMS then it just kaputtzz... like one game on US BW east now and you get swarmed by hackers.
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On February 22 2016 13:40 cncbmb wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2016 04:21 Jealous wrote:On February 21 2016 23:13 Fighter wrote:
I was thinking it might have more in common with the Melee scene. A superior game gets pushed out by a sequel, until eventually everyone realizes it and starts to go back, with stragglers hanging on and following new installments while the original great stays strong. This. This is the path BW should/could take. Brood War's popularity comes from its 1v1 scene, not UMS. It's a highly competitive game and if that's not something you're interested in, then you can find UMS on GameRanger/East/whatever. The revival of the game is dependent on its competitive scene, just like Melee. No one cares about players who do story mode or minigames or something, in the sense that those players don't really contribute much to the scene. Same with BW/UMS. Project Melee, although nixed now, was what could be a parallel to BW HD in some ways, and probably did bring some players to regular BW. Like said above about AoE2 vs. HD, HD brought in new players and the classic is still where the true competition lies. If something like that happens for BW, I'd be happy to see people enter the scene because they were given a more aesthetically pleasing game to get hooked with, and then decided to become competitive and came to the original. But, purists and people who already value competition will probably just stick to the classic. Not to say that I won't try the HD just out of curiosity, :O I didn't realize alot of people felt the same way. I've been getting into Melee and AoE2 a ton this year and they seemed so vibrant, all sorts of youtube channels popping up and there seemed like alot of energy in the Genesis 3 melee tourney videos. and then I look at BW US East and all the UMS have died. Used be tons of Strip Megan Fox, Lotr, helms deep, diplo etc on US BW East. And my favorite game, competitive WW2 Allied Final/TTT and WW1 5.1 or WW1 Diamond. Two years before SC2 came out there still all sorts of great WW2 BW UMS then it just kaputtzz... like one game on US BW east now and you get swarmed by hackers.
if you learn a little korean, you can play UMS in korean fish server.
they have tons of games, WW/snipers/TD/helm deep etc there. new maps being made in 2016, like this year's popular One Punch Man tower defense map. BW revival is pretty much a korean thing, it just looks dead because you are stuck in US East,
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On February 22 2016 13:46 Probemicro wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2016 13:40 cncbmb wrote:On February 22 2016 04:21 Jealous wrote:On February 21 2016 23:13 Fighter wrote:
I was thinking it might have more in common with the Melee scene. A superior game gets pushed out by a sequel, until eventually everyone realizes it and starts to go back, with stragglers hanging on and following new installments while the original great stays strong. This. This is the path BW should/could take. Brood War's popularity comes from its 1v1 scene, not UMS. It's a highly competitive game and if that's not something you're interested in, then you can find UMS on GameRanger/East/whatever. The revival of the game is dependent on its competitive scene, just like Melee. No one cares about players who do story mode or minigames or something, in the sense that those players don't really contribute much to the scene. Same with BW/UMS. Project Melee, although nixed now, was what could be a parallel to BW HD in some ways, and probably did bring some players to regular BW. Like said above about AoE2 vs. HD, HD brought in new players and the classic is still where the true competition lies. If something like that happens for BW, I'd be happy to see people enter the scene because they were given a more aesthetically pleasing game to get hooked with, and then decided to become competitive and came to the original. But, purists and people who already value competition will probably just stick to the classic. Not to say that I won't try the HD just out of curiosity, :O I didn't realize alot of people felt the same way. I've been getting into Melee and AoE2 a ton this year and they seemed so vibrant, all sorts of youtube channels popping up and there seemed like alot of energy in the Genesis 3 melee tourney videos. and then I look at BW US East and all the UMS have died. Used be tons of Strip Megan Fox, Lotr, helms deep, diplo etc on US BW East. And my favorite game, competitive WW2 Allied Final/TTT and WW1 5.1 or WW1 Diamond. Two years before SC2 came out there still all sorts of great WW2 BW UMS then it just kaputtzz... like one game on US BW east now and you get swarmed by hackers. if you learn a little korean, you can play UMS in korean fish server. they have tons of games, WW/snipers/TD/helm deep etc there. new maps being made in 2016, like this year's popular One Punch Man tower defense map. BW revival is pretty much a korean thing, it just looks dead because you are stuck in US East,
It's settled then. Time to practice my first Korean words
김치
Is it just me or does it kind of look Chinese (dao, kou radicals, da characters)
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I didn't realize Brood War is all that far back seeing as how Flash is beginning to Stream and there is a still a good group of pros that play.
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Brood war could definitely make a come back if its HD version were to be made available on the steam platform.
Also, we need more word of mouth. When you check image hosting sites such as 9Gag/Funnyjunk/imgur/... you'll see the occasional age of empires post but never something related to starcraft (1 or 2). These sites get lots of views and are bound to get some people to at least look up the game.
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I'm not sure where you're getting that AoE2 is more popular than BW. Fish server alone gets around 18k concurrent players at peak hours. AoE2HD gets around 10k peak though this includes singleplayer; AoE2 through Voobly probably gets around 2-3k.
The biggest concern with a BW HD is that all the mechanics may not be able to be replicated exactly, and many people may stick with the old game splitting the community which is sort of what happened with AoE2.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES51295 Posts
honestly what people should be looking for is for BW to get the openxcom treatment.
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On February 22 2016 17:50 BLinD-RawR wrote:
honestly what people should be looking for is for BW to get the openxcom treatment.
Could you elaborate for the uninitiated?
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ALLEYCAT BLUES51295 Posts
On February 22 2016 18:08 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2016 17:50 BLinD-RawR wrote:
honestly what people should be looking for is for BW to get the openxcom treatment. Could you elaborate for the uninitiated?
http://openxcom.org/about/
What is OpenXcom?
OpenXcom is an open-source clone of the original UFO: Enemy Unknown (X-Com: UFO Defense in USA), licensed under the GPL and written in C++ / SDL. It was originally founded by SupSuper in February 2010, and has since grown into a small development team surrounded by a very supporting community.
The goal of the project is to bring back the tried and true feel of the original with none of the issues. All the same graphics, sound and gameplay with a brand new codebase written from scratch.
people used to jump through hoops to run the game on vista and above, now however if you wanted to play the original xcom all you have to do is get the game then download and patch-in openxcom and thats it, plus it made the game moddable too.
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A good thing in keeping UMS gaming alive would have been not abandaning/ ragequitting on the last living east UMS-community for pretty tiny reason and then delete fb/mobilenumber ^^
I'd imagine ww2 is now gone for good. Not a single capable player is still putting effort into it + your ragequit made bobo, god bless him, overthink his life, he now flew to myamar searching for a nice and caring wife. Also why you never accept my calls? ;-)
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Age of empires never Made a comeback. The playerbase is like 2k. Ms is just milking the few remaining Fans with a bunch of crappy generic expansions.
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