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On January 08 2015 01:14 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 16:19 outscar wrote:
Ongamenet did a horrible thing by transferring themselves into SCII and forgetting these players. They thought that BW will forgive them? Now, where is that channel, who watches it?
I wonder when Stork will show himself up. plenty of people watch OGN, it shows LoL and its pretty popular in korea. BW is all forgiving.
except for sAviOr
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On January 08 2015 07:06 [F_]aths wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 03:02 Kau wrote:On January 06 2015 19:56 Cele wrote:On January 06 2015 02:40 Kau wrote:On January 05 2015 18:50 PharaphobiaSC2 wrote:On January 05 2015 18:19 zeo wrote:On January 05 2015 09:32 Masheyoon wrote:
Amusingly, what happened three years ago appears to be happening now, only it's SC2 that's fading and BW emerging.
The bitterness people feel towards Blizzard is understandable. What Mike Morhaime said directly after the final OSL was appalling (Paraphrased: "Brood War's departure is a good thing and will help pave way for SC2."). Instead of appearing impressive in the eyes of many by having a video game that has stood the test of time, Blizzard now appears greedy, selfish and entirely dumb in the eyes of everyone for killing it off in trying to make SC2 as successful as possible. They could have, you know, continued to support both games.
You made me remember that Morhaime speech  I can't believe people actually think that the Savior fiasco 'killed' BW, yeah it hurt the scene but it come nowhere close to Blizzard actively trying to shut down and hijack the BW esports scene so 'esports' could be used as a marketing tool for SC2. Edit: On the topic of Effort, I always liked him more than Jaedong. Can you provide some sources for this? I mena any official annoucments etc. I would love to thorw this in blizzard face  What does this even mean? Throw in Blizzard's face? Don't stir up shit please. Everyone just stop posting about Blizzard and SC2 in this thread. i think we're eligible to express our opinions on the Blizzard-Kespa-Sc2 themecomplex here, right? It isn't exactly the topic, but of course people discuss how to "interpret" player switches in the light of past events. That "throwing into Blizzards Face remark is out of line i agree, but will there be consequences if people just have a... civil discussion about the subject? I don't want to annoy you, i would like to clarify for myself, what your position on this subject is. I don't mind a civil discussion. It's just when posts start getting needlessly antagonistic that I get annoyed. If I read the SC2 forums, I would not want to see posts calling BW an outdated and dead game. Along the same lines, I imagine SC2 regulars that come here do not want to see posts calling SC2 a failure or a dead game. Yes! I still cannot really understand the condescending attitude of some. Both incarnations have their value, which is incredible in their own right. SC2 could simply not exist if BW wouldn't be there. I think one does not need to be a Starcraft fan to admit that Broodwar is one of the best games ever made. And guys like EffOrt brought the game to shine. He even beat Flash. While BW was the right game for the right time, it is preceded in global popularity by SC2 by now. To attain this, you have do to something right. The mass appeal of SC2 takes nothing away from BW's greatness, it only adds to it. It literally isnt the case that something has to be good to be popular. Nevermind that obviously people look for different things in games.
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On January 08 2015 08:34 SpeaKEaSY wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2015 01:14 BLinD-RawR wrote:On January 07 2015 16:19 outscar wrote:
Ongamenet did a horrible thing by transferring themselves into SCII and forgetting these players. They thought that BW will forgive them? Now, where is that channel, who watches it?
I wonder when Stork will show himself up. plenty of people watch OGN, it shows LoL and its pretty popular in korea. BW is all forgiving. except for sAviOr
everytime he streams on afreeca he has tons of viewers and given plenty of balloons. so he still has his fans at least.
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On January 08 2015 08:49 Probemicro wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2015 08:34 SpeaKEaSY wrote:On January 08 2015 01:14 BLinD-RawR wrote:On January 07 2015 16:19 outscar wrote:
Ongamenet did a horrible thing by transferring themselves into SCII and forgetting these players. They thought that BW will forgive them? Now, where is that channel, who watches it?
I wonder when Stork will show himself up. plenty of people watch OGN, it shows LoL and its pretty popular in korea. BW is all forgiving. except for sAviOr everytime he streams on afreeca he has tons of viewers and given plenty of balloons. so he still has his fans at least.
apparently he had like 20k viewers not too long ago, i wonder how that happened Oo (terror?)
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Can Savior ever be forgiven? I would at least like to watch his stream on snipealot....
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On January 08 2015 07:06 [F_]aths wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 03:02 Kau wrote:On January 06 2015 19:56 Cele wrote:On January 06 2015 02:40 Kau wrote:On January 05 2015 18:50 PharaphobiaSC2 wrote:On January 05 2015 18:19 zeo wrote:On January 05 2015 09:32 Masheyoon wrote:
Amusingly, what happened three years ago appears to be happening now, only it's SC2 that's fading and BW emerging.
The bitterness people feel towards Blizzard is understandable. What Mike Morhaime said directly after the final OSL was appalling (Paraphrased: "Brood War's departure is a good thing and will help pave way for SC2."). Instead of appearing impressive in the eyes of many by having a video game that has stood the test of time, Blizzard now appears greedy, selfish and entirely dumb in the eyes of everyone for killing it off in trying to make SC2 as successful as possible. They could have, you know, continued to support both games.
You made me remember that Morhaime speech I can't believe people actually think that the Savior fiasco 'killed' BW, yeah it hurt the scene but it come nowhere close to Blizzard actively trying to shut down and hijack the BW esports scene so 'esports' could be used as a marketing tool for SC2. Edit: On the topic of Effort, I always liked him more than Jaedong. Can you provide some sources for this? I mena any official annoucments etc. I would love to thorw this in blizzard face What does this even mean? Throw in Blizzard's face? Don't stir up shit please. Everyone just stop posting about Blizzard and SC2 in this thread. i think we're eligible to express our opinions on the Blizzard-Kespa-Sc2 themecomplex here, right? It isn't exactly the topic, but of course people discuss how to "interpret" player switches in the light of past events. That "throwing into Blizzards Face remark is out of line i agree, but will there be consequences if people just have a... civil discussion about the subject? I don't want to annoy you, i would like to clarify for myself, what your position on this subject is. I don't mind a civil discussion. It's just when posts start getting needlessly antagonistic that I get annoyed. If I read the SC2 forums, I would not want to see posts calling BW an outdated and dead game. Along the same lines, I imagine SC2 regulars that come here do not want to see posts calling SC2 a failure or a dead game. Yes! I still cannot really understand the condescending attitude of some. Both incarnations have their value, which is incredible in their own right. SC2 could simply not exist if BW wouldn't be there. I think one does not need to be a Starcraft fan to admit that Broodwar is one of the best games ever made. And guys like EffOrt brought the game to shine. He even beat Flash. While BW was the right game for the right time, it is preceded in global popularity by SC2 by now. To attain this, you have do to something right. The mass appeal of SC2 takes nothing away from BW's greatness, it only adds to it.
Its very easy to see that sc2 doesnt have that which is in bw im not going into details because not needed its a fact. You must have poor understanding of Broodwar to say sc2 only adds to it.
The reason sc2 is more popular as esport globally is because blizzard made contracts with sponsors for tournaments of their new game, the money flows, the people play. Like someone said before bw outsells sc2 with millions, thats the true mark of popularity.
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On January 08 2015 17:04 _Animus_ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2015 07:06 [F_]aths wrote:On January 07 2015 03:02 Kau wrote:On January 06 2015 19:56 Cele wrote:On January 06 2015 02:40 Kau wrote:On January 05 2015 18:50 PharaphobiaSC2 wrote:On January 05 2015 18:19 zeo wrote:On January 05 2015 09:32 Masheyoon wrote:
Amusingly, what happened three years ago appears to be happening now, only it's SC2 that's fading and BW emerging.
The bitterness people feel towards Blizzard is understandable. What Mike Morhaime said directly after the final OSL was appalling (Paraphrased: "Brood War's departure is a good thing and will help pave way for SC2."). Instead of appearing impressive in the eyes of many by having a video game that has stood the test of time, Blizzard now appears greedy, selfish and entirely dumb in the eyes of everyone for killing it off in trying to make SC2 as successful as possible. They could have, you know, continued to support both games.
You made me remember that Morhaime speech I can't believe people actually think that the Savior fiasco 'killed' BW, yeah it hurt the scene but it come nowhere close to Blizzard actively trying to shut down and hijack the BW esports scene so 'esports' could be used as a marketing tool for SC2. Edit: On the topic of Effort, I always liked him more than Jaedong. Can you provide some sources for this? I mena any official annoucments etc. I would love to thorw this in blizzard face What does this even mean? Throw in Blizzard's face? Don't stir up shit please. Everyone just stop posting about Blizzard and SC2 in this thread. i think we're eligible to express our opinions on the Blizzard-Kespa-Sc2 themecomplex here, right? It isn't exactly the topic, but of course people discuss how to "interpret" player switches in the light of past events. That "throwing into Blizzards Face remark is out of line i agree, but will there be consequences if people just have a... civil discussion about the subject? I don't want to annoy you, i would like to clarify for myself, what your position on this subject is. I don't mind a civil discussion. It's just when posts start getting needlessly antagonistic that I get annoyed. If I read the SC2 forums, I would not want to see posts calling BW an outdated and dead game. Along the same lines, I imagine SC2 regulars that come here do not want to see posts calling SC2 a failure or a dead game. Yes! I still cannot really understand the condescending attitude of some. Both incarnations have their value, which is incredible in their own right. SC2 could simply not exist if BW wouldn't be there. I think one does not need to be a Starcraft fan to admit that Broodwar is one of the best games ever made. And guys like EffOrt brought the game to shine. He even beat Flash. While BW was the right game for the right time, it is preceded in global popularity by SC2 by now. To attain this, you have do to something right. The mass appeal of SC2 takes nothing away from BW's greatness, it only adds to it. Its very easy to see that sc2 doesnt have that which is in bw im not going into details because not needed its a fact. You must have poor understanding of Broodwar to say sc2 only adds to it. The reason sc2 is more popular as esport globally is because blizzard made contracts with sponsors for tournaments of their new game, the money flows, the people play. Like someone said before bw outsells sc2 with millions, thats the true mark of popularity.
The reason Sc2 is more popular is because it's a better game, hand's down. There is nothing wrong with admitting that the sequel is better than the original. BW was a great game among great games, but claiming the reason Sc2 is more popular is because of contracts with sponsors is the pinnacle of fanboyism
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On January 08 2015 20:16 LongShot27 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2015 17:04 _Animus_ wrote:On January 08 2015 07:06 [F_]aths wrote:On January 07 2015 03:02 Kau wrote:On January 06 2015 19:56 Cele wrote:On January 06 2015 02:40 Kau wrote:On January 05 2015 18:50 PharaphobiaSC2 wrote:On January 05 2015 18:19 zeo wrote:On January 05 2015 09:32 Masheyoon wrote:
Amusingly, what happened three years ago appears to be happening now, only it's SC2 that's fading and BW emerging.
The bitterness people feel towards Blizzard is understandable. What Mike Morhaime said directly after the final OSL was appalling (Paraphrased: "Brood War's departure is a good thing and will help pave way for SC2."). Instead of appearing impressive in the eyes of many by having a video game that has stood the test of time, Blizzard now appears greedy, selfish and entirely dumb in the eyes of everyone for killing it off in trying to make SC2 as successful as possible. They could have, you know, continued to support both games.
You made me remember that Morhaime speech I can't believe people actually think that the Savior fiasco 'killed' BW, yeah it hurt the scene but it come nowhere close to Blizzard actively trying to shut down and hijack the BW esports scene so 'esports' could be used as a marketing tool for SC2. Edit: On the topic of Effort, I always liked him more than Jaedong. Can you provide some sources for this? I mena any official annoucments etc. I would love to thorw this in blizzard face What does this even mean? Throw in Blizzard's face? Don't stir up shit please. Everyone just stop posting about Blizzard and SC2 in this thread. i think we're eligible to express our opinions on the Blizzard-Kespa-Sc2 themecomplex here, right? It isn't exactly the topic, but of course people discuss how to "interpret" player switches in the light of past events. That "throwing into Blizzards Face remark is out of line i agree, but will there be consequences if people just have a... civil discussion about the subject? I don't want to annoy you, i would like to clarify for myself, what your position on this subject is. I don't mind a civil discussion. It's just when posts start getting needlessly antagonistic that I get annoyed. If I read the SC2 forums, I would not want to see posts calling BW an outdated and dead game. Along the same lines, I imagine SC2 regulars that come here do not want to see posts calling SC2 a failure or a dead game. Yes! I still cannot really understand the condescending attitude of some. Both incarnations have their value, which is incredible in their own right. SC2 could simply not exist if BW wouldn't be there. I think one does not need to be a Starcraft fan to admit that Broodwar is one of the best games ever made. And guys like EffOrt brought the game to shine. He even beat Flash. While BW was the right game for the right time, it is preceded in global popularity by SC2 by now. To attain this, you have do to something right. The mass appeal of SC2 takes nothing away from BW's greatness, it only adds to it. Its very easy to see that sc2 doesnt have that which is in bw im not going into details because not needed its a fact. You must have poor understanding of Broodwar to say sc2 only adds to it. The reason sc2 is more popular as esport globally is because blizzard made contracts with sponsors for tournaments of their new game, the money flows, the people play. Like someone said before bw outsells sc2 with millions, thats the true mark of popularity. The reason Sc2 is more popular is because it's a better game, hand's down. There is nothing wrong with admitting that the sequel is better than the original. BW was a great game among great games, but claiming the reason Sc2 is more popular is because of contracts with sponsors is the pinnacle of fanboyism
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On January 08 2015 20:16 LongShot27 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2015 17:04 _Animus_ wrote:On January 08 2015 07:06 [F_]aths wrote:On January 07 2015 03:02 Kau wrote:On January 06 2015 19:56 Cele wrote:On January 06 2015 02:40 Kau wrote:On January 05 2015 18:50 PharaphobiaSC2 wrote:On January 05 2015 18:19 zeo wrote:On January 05 2015 09:32 Masheyoon wrote:
Amusingly, what happened three years ago appears to be happening now, only it's SC2 that's fading and BW emerging.
The bitterness people feel towards Blizzard is understandable. What Mike Morhaime said directly after the final OSL was appalling (Paraphrased: "Brood War's departure is a good thing and will help pave way for SC2."). Instead of appearing impressive in the eyes of many by having a video game that has stood the test of time, Blizzard now appears greedy, selfish and entirely dumb in the eyes of everyone for killing it off in trying to make SC2 as successful as possible. They could have, you know, continued to support both games.
You made me remember that Morhaime speech I can't believe people actually think that the Savior fiasco 'killed' BW, yeah it hurt the scene but it come nowhere close to Blizzard actively trying to shut down and hijack the BW esports scene so 'esports' could be used as a marketing tool for SC2. Edit: On the topic of Effort, I always liked him more than Jaedong. Can you provide some sources for this? I mena any official annoucments etc. I would love to thorw this in blizzard face What does this even mean? Throw in Blizzard's face? Don't stir up shit please. Everyone just stop posting about Blizzard and SC2 in this thread. i think we're eligible to express our opinions on the Blizzard-Kespa-Sc2 themecomplex here, right? It isn't exactly the topic, but of course people discuss how to "interpret" player switches in the light of past events. That "throwing into Blizzards Face remark is out of line i agree, but will there be consequences if people just have a... civil discussion about the subject? I don't want to annoy you, i would like to clarify for myself, what your position on this subject is. I don't mind a civil discussion. It's just when posts start getting needlessly antagonistic that I get annoyed. If I read the SC2 forums, I would not want to see posts calling BW an outdated and dead game. Along the same lines, I imagine SC2 regulars that come here do not want to see posts calling SC2 a failure or a dead game. Yes! I still cannot really understand the condescending attitude of some. Both incarnations have their value, which is incredible in their own right. SC2 could simply not exist if BW wouldn't be there. I think one does not need to be a Starcraft fan to admit that Broodwar is one of the best games ever made. And guys like EffOrt brought the game to shine. He even beat Flash. While BW was the right game for the right time, it is preceded in global popularity by SC2 by now. To attain this, you have do to something right. The mass appeal of SC2 takes nothing away from BW's greatness, it only adds to it. Its very easy to see that sc2 doesnt have that which is in bw im not going into details because not needed its a fact. You must have poor understanding of Broodwar to say sc2 only adds to it. The reason sc2 is more popular as esport globally is because blizzard made contracts with sponsors for tournaments of their new game, the money flows, the people play. Like someone said before bw outsells sc2 with millions, thats the true mark of popularity. The reason Sc2 is more popular is because it's a better game, hand's down. There is nothing wrong with admitting that the sequel is better than the original. BW was a great game among great games, but claiming the reason Sc2 is more popular is because of contracts with sponsors is the pinnacle of fanboyism
The aliens with the long heads (prodactors) are rather imbalanced in both games. I still prefer Hello Kitty Island 2 Adventure's Sparkling Bubble Pop Mini Game over any of the two games, honestly. It's way more competitiv even. Sad that it has not gotten the fanbase it deserves yet. Maybe Tasteless could tweet about it?
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On January 08 2015 20:16 LongShot27 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2015 17:04 _Animus_ wrote:On January 08 2015 07:06 [F_]aths wrote:On January 07 2015 03:02 Kau wrote:On January 06 2015 19:56 Cele wrote:On January 06 2015 02:40 Kau wrote:On January 05 2015 18:50 PharaphobiaSC2 wrote:On January 05 2015 18:19 zeo wrote:On January 05 2015 09:32 Masheyoon wrote:
Amusingly, what happened three years ago appears to be happening now, only it's SC2 that's fading and BW emerging.
The bitterness people feel towards Blizzard is understandable. What Mike Morhaime said directly after the final OSL was appalling (Paraphrased: "Brood War's departure is a good thing and will help pave way for SC2."). Instead of appearing impressive in the eyes of many by having a video game that has stood the test of time, Blizzard now appears greedy, selfish and entirely dumb in the eyes of everyone for killing it off in trying to make SC2 as successful as possible. They could have, you know, continued to support both games.
You made me remember that Morhaime speech I can't believe people actually think that the Savior fiasco 'killed' BW, yeah it hurt the scene but it come nowhere close to Blizzard actively trying to shut down and hijack the BW esports scene so 'esports' could be used as a marketing tool for SC2. Edit: On the topic of Effort, I always liked him more than Jaedong. Can you provide some sources for this? I mena any official annoucments etc. I would love to thorw this in blizzard face What does this even mean? Throw in Blizzard's face? Don't stir up shit please. Everyone just stop posting about Blizzard and SC2 in this thread. i think we're eligible to express our opinions on the Blizzard-Kespa-Sc2 themecomplex here, right? It isn't exactly the topic, but of course people discuss how to "interpret" player switches in the light of past events. That "throwing into Blizzards Face remark is out of line i agree, but will there be consequences if people just have a... civil discussion about the subject? I don't want to annoy you, i would like to clarify for myself, what your position on this subject is. I don't mind a civil discussion. It's just when posts start getting needlessly antagonistic that I get annoyed. If I read the SC2 forums, I would not want to see posts calling BW an outdated and dead game. Along the same lines, I imagine SC2 regulars that come here do not want to see posts calling SC2 a failure or a dead game. Yes! I still cannot really understand the condescending attitude of some. Both incarnations have their value, which is incredible in their own right. SC2 could simply not exist if BW wouldn't be there. I think one does not need to be a Starcraft fan to admit that Broodwar is one of the best games ever made. And guys like EffOrt brought the game to shine. He even beat Flash. While BW was the right game for the right time, it is preceded in global popularity by SC2 by now. To attain this, you have do to something right. The mass appeal of SC2 takes nothing away from BW's greatness, it only adds to it. Its very easy to see that sc2 doesnt have that which is in bw im not going into details because not needed its a fact. You must have poor understanding of Broodwar to say sc2 only adds to it. The reason sc2 is more popular as esport globally is because blizzard made contracts with sponsors for tournaments of their new game, the money flows, the people play. Like someone said before bw outsells sc2 with millions, thats the true mark of popularity. The reason Sc2 is more popular is because it's a better game, hand's down. There is nothing wrong with admitting that the sequel is better than the original. BW was a great game among great games, but claiming the reason Sc2 is more popular is because of contracts with sponsors is the pinnacle of fanboyism
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On January 08 2015 21:48 opterown wrote:No more BW vs. SC2 discussion guys, it won't end well
We're in the broodwar section.. Pretty sure we're all of one mind anyway. 
Anyway, how much have effort's mechanics deteriorated? Can anyone see if he still has the mojo or does he need to get back into mechanical form?
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I've seen his play. I think it will be a full year before we can hope to see the EffOrt of old.
Fortunately he should still be a threat when he's halfway there.
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On January 08 2015 09:58 duke91 wrote:
Can Savior ever be forgiven? I would at least like to watch his stream on snipealot.... Frankly, he should be forgiven. What kind of assholes do we have to be, in order to not forgive someone their faults? He was young, early twenties, we all live long lives, and we cant allow room for error? At least to the point of watching his stream or speaking his name? Its gotten silly.
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sc2 > sc;bw
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@Dazed_Spy: I agree... I mean, even if we don't trust him, we can still watch him and learn. He paid his debt to society and has apologized.
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On January 12 2015 15:57 Phyanketto wrote:
@Dazed_Spy: I agree... I mean, even if we don't trust him, we can still watch him and learn. He paid his debt to society and has apologized.
careful you gonna summon enraged snm
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God I was sad to see EffOrt leave SC2 and retire again, break my heart twice bro . If he came back and dominated in brood war again all would be completely forgiven. Soar like a falcon in BW.
ps CJ misses you
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On January 12 2015 05:01 Dazed_Spy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2015 09:58 duke91 wrote:
Can Savior ever be forgiven? I would at least like to watch his stream on snipealot.... Frankly, he should be forgiven. What kind of assholes do we have to be, in order to not forgive someone their faults? He was young, early twenties, we all live long lives, and we cant allow room for error? At least to the point of watching his stream or speaking his name? Its gotten silly.
On April 04 2012 06:03 rotinegg wrote:hey here's a common misconception in this thread: savior didn't do jail time. He was sentenced to 1 year in prison but with 2 years 집행유예 (=parole? I think) so no he didn't go to jail, and he will most likely end up not going as long as he doesn't break another law. He was sentenced on October 22nd 2010, so his parole is still in effect today. He (officially) started streaming for money early June 2011, not 8 months after his final sentencing in court. also, Show nested quote +On April 02 2012 02:29 r33k wrote:On April 01 2012 10:16 rotinegg wrote:On April 01 2012 10:13 Xiphos wrote:On April 01 2012 10:08 rotinegg wrote:
I agree, and I think the fans quieted down after a bit, but other factors were at play so BW ran its natural course on a slow but steady decline. Honestly I believe how the fans reacted has very little to do with BW's gradual fall, and certainly much less than just the general loss of interest in the scene that had been building for years. We only get riled up about this stuff when savior makes announcements like "IMA STREAM BW, GIMME MONEYZ" or "IMA TEACH BW, GIMME MONEYZ" not two years after the scandal happened, when it's part of our culture to repent and self-reflect when you've made a mistake. savior did none of that, and that's the beef I have with him. I would be way more accepting of players like hwasin or luxury teaching BW for $25/hr. Say what? broke down in tears in front of his head coach when the police contacted CJ Entus regarding the scandal, saying "BELIEVE ME COACH I DIDNT DO IT TT_TT", coach cho believes him and defends him til the end and tries to save his ass online until it was too late, after which coach cho retires out of guilt (this is a team coach cho built from nothing, when they had no sponsor and he had to break his bank to feed the players, mind you), savior then runs away and goes into hiding while his peers post apology letters and retire on their own accord, only posts an apology letter when his fate is pretty much sealed in court, then starts streaming only months after the incident, opens up a fanclub where you can only post if you pay a signup fee knowing he still has fans that will pay for anything, then this shit. Not a word of remorse outside of that half-hearted apology letter he probably didn't even write. Then this shit. Fox news != news. Stop hiding behind rumors just because you need to hate something. I don't hide behind rumors, I bring them to the limelight and bust down your front door with them. Plus only a tiny bit of what I wrote is rumor (the bit where savior had a talk with Coach Cho and broke down in tears asking for his trust), and even then no effort was made by Coach Cho nor any of the teammates to dispute this widespread rumor. Here are some references for what I wrote: Amidst rumors of savior's involvement in illegal betting and match fixing, he goes into stealth mode claiming knee injury and cuts off contact with the world (March 2010)Official articles on match fixing speculation finally surface on Fomos and everybody knows it's savior (April 2010)Coach Cho defends savior from netizens, saying he will crack down on those spreading rumors with slander charges, and that savior is at home getting treated for his knee with no plans of retirement (April 2010)Others post apology letters while savior (who still is in stealth mode) gets booted from CJ(May 2010)Charges drawn up and prosecution formally begins (May 2010)savior summoned to court, denies brokering while admitting match fixing, still calls himself 'progamer' while the other match fixers have voluntarily retired and refer to themselves as 'unemployed' (June 2010)Savior finally posts an apology letter (Late July, 2010)Coach Cho resigns August 2010savior gets sentenced to jail with Justin, while others are let off with a fine (October 2010)savior starts streaming for money (June 2011 officially, while it is speculated he started as early as March 2011) and says he will quit (August 2011) but then starts streaming again (November 2011)
Why do you people make him out to be some sort of child?
Savior was an adult then, more than that he was already a successful player with fans, a team, and younger players who looked up to him. And he shit on all of that when he not only started his illicit activities, but got the other match fixers in on the deal.
Most people don't want him to rot in jail or not be able to live his life; Savior can go live his life however he chooses like Hwasin is.
www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/426507-hwasin-apologizes-for-match-fixing
A lot of people don't like how he's continuing to make money off the game on his own live stream, and taking advantage of his fans... especially considering he hasn't really admitted his faults and acknowledged the mistakes in his character.
If you really want to watch him then you can go look for his stream on your own lol but implying that he was just some naive kid is some bullshit.
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