EPTStreaming Savior
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Modesty00
Bulgaria262 Posts
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
On November 15 2011 11:24 Modesty00 wrote: Ok. Can you stream savior here or not. If u do ur stream only will go unfeatured or would not be visible at all? Let me do you a favour , Since the other thread has been closed , I am wondering if I can stream savior streams in tl.net or not and If I do stream will it go unfeatured or it will be invisible to everyone ? Thanks modesty . | ||
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Modesty00
Bulgaria262 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36390 Posts
If you do restream him, do not set your stream to "live" on TL or we may remove your stream. | ||
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gds
Iceland1391 Posts
Seriously this is a terrible decision... Can you tell me who decreed that nobody can stream Savior anymore? Because if it is a one man decision it's ridiculous... OK the guy did a mistake 4 years ago, but who didnt deserve a second chance? BW quality content are rare nowadays and a lot of people enjoyed watching his restream. Please consider removing this rule, this is very cruel as it's the only way for most of us (aka non korean speaker) to watch a zerg (ex)progamer playing. Come on Manifesto, i know you love BW, i really hope you'll change your mind. | ||
Manifesto7
Osaka27158 Posts
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gds
Iceland1391 Posts
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L3gendary
Canada1470 Posts
On November 15 2011 12:08 Hot_Bid wrote: No, you cannot restream him. If you do restream him, do not set your stream to "live" on TL or we may remove your stream. I hate savior for what he's done to the scene and I don't know who doesn't, although some are faster to forgive than others. But what it comes down to is some of us just want to watch a high level zerg stream. It's not like he's getting ad revenue from the viewers on a restream. If anything it encourages people to find him on afreeca. This isn't punishing savior its only punishing the TL users. If TL chose not to allow it based on moral grounds then that makes even less sense to me and is almost hypocritical given the article TL published practically praising him. The article was prefaced with "Though Savior seriously undermined the institution of e-Sports through his despicable crimes, we must be able to separate his faults as a human being from his accomplishments as a player." And that's exactly the message im trying to get across here. | ||
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Pelopidas
Canada225 Posts
1) He has already been punished severely and will never be able to participate in any kind of professional tournament ever again. He does not need to suffer damnatio memorae. 2) Savior does not really benefit from restreams, and gets no ad revenue. Allowing a third party to essentially leach off his stream doesn't mean that team liquid supports him. It does not need to be announced as a savior restream either. 3) High level Brood War play is hard to come by these days, many people would be interested in watching. We would not watch because we support what Savior did, we would watch because we want to see high level Brood War. | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
Good riddance and well done to TL for taking a position on this. | ||
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gds
Iceland1391 Posts
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
I can't stand match-fixing in any of it's form and in any sport. It ruins the legitimacy of the event and puts question marks over every result. If you don't think that has an effect on the credibilty of other players and the games they play, you are naive. Yes, he is one of the few people who has actually damaged the image and reputation of electronic sports. If you want a real world example look at how hard they GOM is coming down on Coca and Byun. This is the result of Savior's actions. I never said he ruined the whole thing, I said and I quote "the man was one of the few people that was literally ruining Esports". If those actions are left unchecked the competition becomes a farce. I don't like what he did and thus I don't want his stuff streamed here. Besides I entitled to my opinion regardless of when I joined. | ||
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gds
Iceland1391 Posts
Cant we just leave him alone and give him a second chance in his "amateur career", let people restream him and please TL BW fans instead of pointing him as the scapegoat of all esport sins? Savior is a legend, he's done as much for esport than he did for its extinction. We're quits. | ||
Chill
Calgary25991 Posts
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gds
Iceland1391 Posts
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Chill
Calgary25991 Posts
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Manifesto7
Osaka27158 Posts
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Durak
Canada3685 Posts
On November 15 2011 14:41 gds wrote: Yes the starcraft community forgives him and the vast majority of Teamliquid BW forums members want to see him play so why you, the TL staff, are taking a decision against the will of the community? Your opinion can't change the consensus of the people who run the website. It doesn't matter if your opinion is silently supported by the "vast majority" of members. As Mani said, just follow it off of TL, and then you can relax and stop raising your blood pressure with this crusade. | ||
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gds
Iceland1391 Posts
Also it'll be my last post on this thread as i keep repeating the same things. And my blood pressure is fine, thanks, i'm totally cool  edit: to answer Manifesto7&Chill, if a bw stream isnt listed on tl the chance to have more than 1 viewer almost equal zero. User was warned for this post | ||
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T.O.P.
Hong Kong4685 Posts
At least keep the "Savior plays BW games on Afreeca " thread open so people can post streaming links and the latest vods of sAviOr. | ||
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