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United States22154 Posts
On November 16 2011 01:26 bgx wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 01:13 BLinD-RawR wrote:
so what like if we're streaming savior can we announce that we can stream,put a link to our stream,but not go live on TL?
I'm fine with that,don't know why people are so upset.Ma Jae Yoon hurt Esports in one of the worst ways possible, this is unforgivable and from an administration standpoint, it is completely understandable as to why no one wants to promote him.
please don't compare what TT1 did to what MJY did. But you cannot stay true to something in 1 case and deny it on other case. Just because what he did was bigger. Savior playing bw is completely legal, he can stream it, he can talk about, and do whatever he likes with it unless he stays away from professional BW. I understand banning HIM from streaming here, but i do not understand banning restreams of his play, as he gets ZERO benefit from it. Why people restream him? Because there is demand for it. Why Idra's stream was live on TL while he was banned? Because there was demand for it. Idra called Cruncher waste of life on stream that was on TL. Does TL support his view that Cruncher is a waste of life? No they banned him for that, yet they made available for his stream to be live, because there was demand for that and as a center hub of western Starcraft they made it available for people. If people wants to see Savior play via restreams, let them see, and put big sticker that TL does not contribute to it but acknowledges people wishes. That would be staying true in my opinion.
Sorry, but your comparison is way off base. Idra calling cruncher a waste of life is hardly the massive betrayal that savior perpetuated on all his fans, idra did no damage to the sc community with that comment, while Savior did legitimate destrucive damage to the entire broodwar community.
Savior did incalculable harm to the broodwar scene. I think it both fitting and appropriate that he be dead to us. It would be a misscarriage of justice if the person who did the largest amount of harm to esports in its history were to be given any more attention. No, it is best to pretend that with his forced retirement savior never again picked up a mouse and keyboard, and remember the good games, rather than to grant him even a spec of attention.
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Calgary25990 Posts
On November 16 2011 01:04 annul wrote:
and when idra got 90day'd from TL his streams were fine going up because "TL is a place of information and the visitors care about his stream and to not show them when it is on is a disservice to the viewers."
Idra was banned for his attitude. Savior was banned for belittling the competition and the entire Esports scene. Huge difference.
You know when the TSL 2 cheaters were caught, they were black listed from TL for a year? It's completely in line that someone like Savior be banned from TL. This has nothing to do with Korean influence, it's just when you belittle the scene, the scene no longer can officially support you.
If you want to be a Savior fan you can be one, just not here.
To clarify the policy: if someone is playing a single game vs savior, it's okay to resteam that opponent. If it's a practice session (more than one game in a row) it's not okay to bypass the no-Savior rule by streaming that.
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Calgary25990 Posts
On November 16 2011 01:28 ieatjello wrote:
Every crime and act of discretion can be absolved. The fact of the matter is kespa won't let him do anything so the paladins of tl follow en mass. I guess we are just boned.
So which charity should I donate to to get this event full swing? I'll post a topic in the proper forum. We are getting savior back.
Yes, money will solve this problem.. Wait what?
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Calgary25990 Posts
On November 16 2011 01:14 DwD wrote:
What the f? Shouldn't people be allowed to choose for themselves if they want to watch or not?
Terrible decision.
Luckily for you, TL isn't coming into your house and policing your Internet.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50600 Posts
you don't need to respond to every post arguing against this policy Chill, you've made you're point clear enough.
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On November 16 2011 01:43 Chill wrote:
To clarify the policy: if someone is playing a single game vs savior, it's okay to resteam that opponent. If it's a practice session (more than one game in a row) it's not okay to bypass the no-Savior rule by streaming that.
So you're forbiding restreaming Hiya ? Hiya who suffered much more than anyone on TL from sAviOr's actions may I add ?
Honestly, I disagreed with your policy from the beginning, but I was more or less ok with it, so I did not want to add any fuel to this thread. But that arbitrary limit makes no sense.
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Hyrule19180 Posts
Some things people are getting wrong in this thread:
1. Savior didn't "fuck up", he conspired to rig the entire professional scene.
2. Comparing Idra to Savior? lol to that
3. TL policy dictates what happens on TL. Nobody is saying "you can't watch Savior anywhere ever". Follow the restreamers on Twitter as Mani suggested on page 1
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Could someone please PM me with a link to the streamer that restreams Savior? It'd be nice to be able to see both POVs while watching Hiya play him.
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TL moderators have the right to implement what they feel is right. Just because a portion of people support savior and don't believe what he did 4 years ago should affect any decisions we make now,doesn't mean everyone is as forgiving. Letting people feature him in streams and restreams is supporting him. TL moderators don't believe that they should play a role in promoting savior and feeding his fan base. As tl community members, we should respect that in every right. This is a highly controversial topic that could and would be discussed to death regardless of TL mods decisions. Just because YOU want to watch savior.....dont say 99percent of TL does. I certainly don't and won't support him, what he did was very unethical, we don't need to watch someone like him.
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On November 16 2011 01:43 Chill wrote:
This has nothing to do with Korean influence, it's just when you belittle the scene, the scene no longer can officially support you.
Since when the scene means TL moderators?
And if savior is the devil himself for esport then why Hiya keeps playing him day after day on his stream?
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50600 Posts
Chill since we can't control what the person we are restreaming does,the 1 game rule is kind of bogus no?its not like we are sending hiya messages,saying "we want to watch savior play,challenge him again please".
Its not something the restreamer has any control on.
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I'm not sure why people can't get over this. No one is being prevent from watching him... TL is just choosing not to support someone who has cheated in the past. :-/ I really don't see the problem here.
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On November 16 2011 02:11 Chicane wrote:
I'm not sure why people can't get over this. No one is being prevent from watching him... TL is just choosing not to support someone who has cheated in the past. :-/ I really don't see the problem here.
I'm being prevented from watching him until someone tells me how I can find his (re)stream 
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Hyrule19180 Posts
BLinD-RawR's post would seem to indicate that he is restreaming Hiya. I'm sure with a little detective work (ie: go to his stream and ask in his chat) you can find out who is restreaming Savior.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50600 Posts
On November 16 2011 02:12 QuothTheRaven wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 02:11 Chicane wrote:
I'm not sure why people can't get over this. No one is being prevent from watching him... TL is just choosing not to support someone who has cheated in the past. :-/ I really don't see the problem here. I'm being prevented from watching him until someone tells me how I can find his (re)stream
I can confirm to you that right now no one is restreaming savior.
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i don't know details about savior case but in my opinion the case of restricting some content (in fact a sort of censorship) should be public case and community as a whole should decide about this stuff. We should vote.
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On November 16 2011 02:11 Chicane wrote:
I'm not sure why people can't get over this. No one is being prevent from watching him... TL is just choosing not to support someone who has cheated in the past. :-/ I really don't see the problem here.
Don't think that is exactly the case. Haypro for example. It's just what Savior did is much bigger than any other person has done. I'm fine with the "streaming ban", but I would still like to discuss about it and possibly link any re-streamers or VoDs of him. (I.e the savior thread which got locked)
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On November 15 2011 22:41 Garrl wrote:
I really cannot imagine how this discussion went in the admin forum. This isn't in the community of TL's interest, so why are only the few specific admins speaking for the whole community?
I have to totally agree. It's just sad to hear this was a decision made by a small minority.
A message to the admins: No need to remind us time and time again this isn't a democracy. With decisions like this, you are already making your point very clear.
Peace.
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On November 16 2011 02:12 QuothTheRaven wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 02:11 Chicane wrote:
I'm not sure why people can't get over this. No one is being prevent from watching him... TL is just choosing not to support someone who has cheated in the past. :-/ I really don't see the problem here. I'm being prevented from watching him until someone tells me how I can find his (re)stream
Do you really think that anyone will restream savior if it's not listed on TL? Banning his stream on TL means nobody can watch him anymore, simple as that, and the admins knows it.
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On November 16 2011 02:14 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 02:12 QuothTheRaven wrote:On November 16 2011 02:11 Chicane wrote:
I'm not sure why people can't get over this. No one is being prevent from watching him... TL is just choosing not to support someone who has cheated in the past. :-/ I really don't see the problem here. I'm being prevented from watching him until someone tells me how I can find his (re)stream I can confirm to you that right now no one is restreaming savior.
Ok thank you.
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