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Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
November 15 2011 15:30 GMT
#41
They're still allowed to restream Hiya when he's playing with/against Savior or obsing his games, right?
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Hassybaby
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom10823 Posts
November 15 2011 15:32 GMT
#42
I'm with the admins for the sole reason that allowed this may well be an insult to the Korean side of things. I can't totally comment on the entire situation, since I was not into the RTS scene till SC2, but from what I've read, it sounds like Savior is dead to the Korean scene for what he did. If TL allows the stream to go on here, the Korean side could easily think of this as undermining their bans on him, and this could cause issues
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nicotn
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands186 Posts
November 15 2011 15:40 GMT
#43
On November 15 2011 13:43 gds wrote:
Probulous: what do you know about BW? You registered in march 2011... Savior litterally ruined esport? You dont know what you talking about. If you have an elaborate opinion, even if it's against savior restream, please say it but if you just here to shout clueless statement...


i watched bw before i even knew of tl.net register date means nothing.
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-15 15:55:03
November 15 2011 15:44 GMT
#44
Just one question? Why did you decide it only now, when you had plenty of time just after the official punishment was implemented. So we would not hear or see anything about him?
It is your right guys of course, you run the site and do a tremendous amount of work, we users cannot tell you what or how to do, right?
But this is not the way things should be approached, especially now, when BW popularity is slowly fading.
Let it go, please, let it go.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
November 15 2011 15:57 GMT
#45
On November 16 2011 00:30 Holgerius wrote:
They're still allowed to restream Hiya when he's playing with/against Savior or obsing his games, right?


What about if someone re-streams player X and he is watching Savior?!

+ Show Spoiler +
I'm just joking.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-15 16:04:58
November 15 2011 15:57 GMT
#46
shouldn't watching his stream be each of viewers own decision? While I agree that "live" on TL = promoting it (but more in a way that letting people know its up rather than "LOOK HES STREAMING GO THERE"), but also TL please stay true to "The opinions expressed by our users do not reflect the official position of TeamLiquid.net or its staff." Which in my understanding ALSO has meaning to what people stream , and the content they choose to stream, afaik Savior stream is legal and watching it is not a crime, same way as watching/hearing swearing people on someone's channel or speaking someone's mind on religion/political matter is also legal(to certain degree) and cutting it down is more or less cutting down freedom of speech/expression.

Frankly i see this decision being purely influenced by Korean visitors, or to maintain high reputation in Korea, which is logical in a way but also disappointing.
Stork[gm]
StanzA
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada478 Posts
November 15 2011 15:59 GMT
#47
Guys, he's streaming games on Afreeca. Restreaming his games doesn't generate him any revenue and he has no idea how many people are watching from other sites. How is this anything but a punishment for the community? Or does having his name listed tarnish TL's reputation? In that case, you should take off the final edit detailing his career too.
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gCgCrypto
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany297 Posts
November 15 2011 16:01 GMT
#48
On November 16 2011 00:13 Modesty00 wrote:
LOl this is total crap. Im sure 1 admin hate savior and all others follow him cuz they probably have no soul or balls. I understand to be unfeatured streaming him, but not visible at all WTF u crazy?? This is best zerg player around streaming omg. " u can stream him just not in TL, ur stream need to be offline" WTF u morons that's mean u cant stream him here... How we suppouse to know when and who stream savior,... fucking ** * ** **


He stopped streaming enyway so why the fuck do you rage that mutch? he wrote a post he would do his last streaming session and then stop most likly for ever. Not sure if this last stream did happen or will happen shortly. If it didnt i would really apriciate if TL at least allowed a restream for his very last streaming session but what ever. The admins know what they´r doin.

(if you search for where i got this from go to the (sadly closed) "Savior plays BW games on Afreeca"
And there on the front page is the following thing written:


Savior's quitting streaming

This Thursday is going to be his last show.
He's quitting because of his studies

[ his message(in korean)] -
Show nested quote +

2011-08-08 06:42

안녕하세요. 제가 앞으로 방송에 대해 중요하게 말씀 드릴 부분이 있어서
글로 남깁니다. 방송을 통해 말씀드릴까 싶기도 했지만 아무래도 공지에
글로 적어서 알려드리는게 보다 더 나은 것 같아서요.
갑작스러운 소식이지만... 이번주 목요일을 마지막으로 앞으로의 방송을
못하게 될 것 같네요. 저 역시도 생각지도 못한 부분이라 어떻게 말을 적어야 할 지,
어떻게 전해 드려야 할 지 너무 고민이었네요.

우선 방송을 더이상 할 수 없게 되는 이유는 공부 때문에 그만두게 된다는 거구요.
집에서는 그동안 계속 얘기 해왔지만 제가 미루고 미루고 하다가 이번에 더이상
그럴 수 없게 되었네요..앞으로 만날 순 없겠지만 이해해 주시길 바래요^^

처음 방송을 시작한 날부터 말도 많고 탈도 많았던지라 아프리카에서 방송을
시작하는게 결코 쉬운선택은 아니었고 장기적으로 보고 시작을 했던건데,
그리고 이제 적응도 되가고 조금씩 변해가는 것에 재미도 붙이고 좋았는데
이렇게 두달 좀 지난 시점에 앞으로 이렇게 해야지 저렇게 해야지 생각 했던 것들도 있는데 못하고 그만두게 된 점 저 역시도 좀 안타깝고 아쉽네요..

이렇게 해서 집에 일과 관련해서 공부때문에 이번주 목요일을 끝으로 앞으로의
방송에서 만나기는 힘들 것 같아요. 다시한번 이해해주시길 바라고 그동안
짧은 시간이었지만 제가 잘못했었던 일에 반성하는 모습을 보여드릴 수 있어서
좋았고 아직까지 좋아해주신 분들과 오랜만에 소통할 수 있어서 좋았네요^^

글은 여기까지 쓰겠습니다. 화이팅!
L E E J A E D O N G ! <3
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50584 Posts
November 15 2011 16:03 GMT
#49
On November 16 2011 01:01 gCgCrypto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2011 00:13 Modesty00 wrote:
LOl this is total crap. Im sure 1 admin hate savior and all others follow him cuz they probably have no soul or balls. I understand to be unfeatured streaming him, but not visible at all WTF u crazy?? This is best zerg player around streaming omg. " u can stream him just not in TL, ur stream need to be offline" WTF u morons that's mean u cant stream him here... How we suppouse to know when and who stream savior,... fucking ** * ** **


He stopped streaming enyway so why the fuck do you rage that mutch? he wrote a post he would do his last streaming session and then stop most likly for ever. Not sure if this last stream did happen or will happen shortly. If it didnt i would really apriciate if TL at least allowed a restream for his very last streaming session but what ever. The admins know what they´r doin.

(if you search for where i got this from go to the (sadly closed) "Savior plays BW games on Afreeca"
And there on the front page is the following thing written:


Show nested quote +
Savior's quitting streaming

This Thursday is going to be his last show.
He's quitting because of his studies

[ his message(in korean)] -

2011-08-08 06:42

안녕하세요. 제가 앞으로 방송에 대해 중요하게 말씀 드릴 부분이 있어서
글로 남깁니다. 방송을 통해 말씀드릴까 싶기도 했지만 아무래도 공지에
글로 적어서 알려드리는게 보다 더 나은 것 같아서요.
갑작스러운 소식이지만... 이번주 목요일을 마지막으로 앞으로의 방송을
못하게 될 것 같네요. 저 역시도 생각지도 못한 부분이라 어떻게 말을 적어야 할 지,
어떻게 전해 드려야 할 지 너무 고민이었네요.

우선 방송을 더이상 할 수 없게 되는 이유는 공부 때문에 그만두게 된다는 거구요.
집에서는 그동안 계속 얘기 해왔지만 제가 미루고 미루고 하다가 이번에 더이상
그럴 수 없게 되었네요..앞으로 만날 순 없겠지만 이해해 주시길 바래요^^

처음 방송을 시작한 날부터 말도 많고 탈도 많았던지라 아프리카에서 방송을
시작하는게 결코 쉬운선택은 아니었고 장기적으로 보고 시작을 했던건데,
그리고 이제 적응도 되가고 조금씩 변해가는 것에 재미도 붙이고 좋았는데
이렇게 두달 좀 지난 시점에 앞으로 이렇게 해야지 저렇게 해야지 생각 했던 것들도 있는데 못하고 그만두게 된 점 저 역시도 좀 안타깝고 아쉽네요..

이렇게 해서 집에 일과 관련해서 공부때문에 이번주 목요일을 끝으로 앞으로의
방송에서 만나기는 힘들 것 같아요. 다시한번 이해해주시길 바라고 그동안
짧은 시간이었지만 제가 잘못했었던 일에 반성하는 모습을 보여드릴 수 있어서
좋았고 아직까지 좋아해주신 분들과 오랜만에 소통할 수 있어서 좋았네요^^

글은 여기까지 쓰겠습니다. 화이팅!

the OP is outdated,hes returned to streaming.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
annul
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2841 Posts
November 15 2011 16:04 GMT
#50
and when idra got 90day'd from TL his streams were fine going up because "TL is a place of information and the visitors care about his stream and to not show them when it is on is a disservice to the viewers."
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50584 Posts
November 15 2011 16:13 GMT
#51
so what like if we're streaming savior can we announce that we can stream,put a link to our stream,but not go live on TL?

I'm fine with that,don't know why people are so upset.Ma Jae Yoon hurt Esports in one of the worst ways possible, this is unforgivable and from an administration standpoint, it is completely understandable as to why no one wants to promote him.

please don't compare what TT1 did to what MJY did.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
courtpanda
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
866 Posts
November 15 2011 16:13 GMT
#52
On November 16 2011 00:22 ieatjello wrote:
How about this gents, I will hold a charity event, im going to invite savior and some other bw bosses. Can i stream it on TL?



put it together first and you'll get your no answer
DwD
Profile Joined January 2010
Sweden8621 Posts
November 15 2011 16:14 GMT
#53
What the f? Shouldn't people be allowed to choose for themselves if they want to watch or not?
Terrible decision.
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
November 15 2011 16:20 GMT
#54
I'm not going to say anything other than I agree with the moderators on this one. There are some crimes that cannot be washed away.
Moderator
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
November 15 2011 16:26 GMT
#55
On November 16 2011 01:13 BLinD-RawR wrote:
so what like if we're streaming savior can we announce that we can stream,put a link to our stream,but not go live on TL?

I'm fine with that,don't know why people are so upset.Ma Jae Yoon hurt Esports in one of the worst ways possible, this is unforgivable and from an administration standpoint, it is completely understandable as to why no one wants to promote him.

please don't compare what TT1 did to what MJY did.

But you cannot stay true to something in 1 case and deny it on other case. Just because what he did was bigger. Savior playing bw is completely legal, he can stream it, he can talk about, and do whatever he likes with it unless he stays away from professional BW.

I understand banning HIM from streaming here, but i do not understand banning restreams of his play, as he gets ZERO benefit from it. Why people restream him? Because there is demand for it. Why Idra's stream was live on TL while he was banned? Because there was demand for it.

Idra called Cruncher waste of life on stream that was on TL. Does TL support his view that Cruncher is a waste of life? No they banned him for that, yet they made available for his stream to be live, because there was demand for that and as a center hub of western Starcraft they made it available for people. If people wants to see Savior play via restreams, let them see, and put big sticker that TL does not contribute to it but acknowledges people wishes. That would be staying true in my opinion.

Stork[gm]
CPUjockey
Profile Joined September 2011
United States12 Posts
November 15 2011 16:28 GMT
#56
Every crime and act of discretion can be absolved. The fact of the matter is kespa won't let him do anything so the paladins of tl follow en mass. I guess we are just boned.

So which charity should I donate to to get this event full swing? I'll post a topic in the proper forum. We are getting savior back.
ಠ_ಠ
ChemBroTron
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany194 Posts
November 15 2011 16:28 GMT
#57
On November 16 2011 01:14 DwD wrote:
What the f? Shouldn't people be allowed to choose for themselves if they want to watch or not?
Terrible decision.


They are allowed to watch him. Only not on TL. Where is the problem? The stream isn't by TL anyway.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50584 Posts
November 15 2011 16:36 GMT
#58
On November 16 2011 01:26 bgx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2011 01:13 BLinD-RawR wrote:
so what like if we're streaming savior can we announce that we can stream,put a link to our stream,but not go live on TL?

I'm fine with that,don't know why people are so upset.Ma Jae Yoon hurt Esports in one of the worst ways possible, this is unforgivable and from an administration standpoint, it is completely understandable as to why no one wants to promote him.

please don't compare what TT1 did to what MJY did.

But you cannot stay true to something in 1 case and deny it on other case. Just because what he did was bigger. Savior playing bw is completely legal, he can stream it, he can talk about, and do whatever he likes with it unless he stays away from professional BW.

I understand banning HIM from streaming here, but i do not understand banning restreams of his play, as he gets ZERO benefit from it. Why people restream him? Because there is demand for it. Why Idra's stream was live on TL while he was banned? Because there was demand for it.

Idra called Cruncher waste of life on stream that was on TL. Does TL support his view that Cruncher is a waste of life? No they banned him for that, yet they made available for his stream to be live, because there was demand for that and as a center hub of western Starcraft they made it available for people. If people wants to see Savior play via restreams, let them see, and put big sticker that TL does not contribute to it but acknowledges people wishes. That would be staying true in my opinion.


allowing people to restream him gives the illusion that they are still promoting him, yes it sucks for people who like him, but if you really want to follow him go directly to the stream, you can stream him just not put yourself online on the TL stream list,nothing changes other than the fact that your stream does not appear on the sidebar.

if you want to know when hes streaming then see if the restreamer is updating his stream thread.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Sliver
Profile Joined April 2010
United States402 Posts
November 15 2011 16:40 GMT
#59
Sorry to bring this up but why is TT1 a featured streamer after maphacking while Savior, while its not even his stream, nor does is generate him revenue, is not allowed to stream? Does one of those things kill e-sports a little better?
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
November 15 2011 16:41 GMT
#60
Watching Savior's tournament games throughout the years was a good part of my BW fan memories, and with his involvement in the match fixing scandal, it feels as if he infected my memories with cancer. Instead of reminiscing about what should be purely good memories, it now produces a bad taste in my mouth. Please stop comparing what Savior did to something like Idra being a bitch.
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