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Chill
Calgary26004 Posts
On November 17 2011 22:20 Manifesto7 wrote: I dont get that rule at all, and it wasnt discussed in the staff thread. Dont know where it came from. It was based on your MiR post. The point was people bypassing the no-Savior rule by streaming the other side of the games when they're going through a long practice session together. Consider the rule not in effect and under review please. | ||
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ColdLava
Canada1673 Posts
Especially since the BW portion of this site's community has been here forever and has supported this site forever, why would you try to hide this stream from people that still want to see Savior play BW? Let people make their own minds up. | ||
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phANT1m
South Africa535 Posts
On November 17 2011 01:52 Kamais_Ookin wrote: The ban still stands for any tournament related to GOM or Kespa.  Awwww dammit. Would be awesome if he switches to Starcraft 2 and maybe starts playing in overseas tournaments since cant really play in Korea. At least I would hope so. | ||
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gds
Iceland1391 Posts
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Grettin
42417 Posts
On November 18 2011 03:12 gds wrote: If i was a mod i would ban Chill for 666 days. We care this much: | ||
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Chill
Calgary26004 Posts
On November 18 2011 03:12 gds wrote: If i was a mod i would ban Chill for 666 days. Why? | ||
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Arterial
Australia1039 Posts
On November 18 2011 01:32 phANT1m wrote: Awwww dammit. Would be awesome if he switches to Starcraft 2 and maybe starts playing in overseas tournaments since cant really play in Korea. At least I would hope so. That's exactly what I want. Just dominate foreign tournaments. | ||
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oBlade
United States6607 Posts
It's been a year, people should be able to watch his stream knowing what it is. It doesn't mean we think he should be anywhere near the professional scene of any game (and for those people who think that, it's irrelevant anyway because his streaming doesn't bring him any closer to that goal - a goal he doesn't have). He's just someone with an interesting stream. The argument from "this is our house" is fine for establishing whatever TL's actual policy about anything might be, but it's not really relevant to whether that policy is right or the best possible. Maybe there's something to not featuring people who restream him (though they have been featured for independent reasons because they do other awesome things on their streams), but as many have pointed out before, he gets zip from people restreaming on TL. And the money he gets on Afreeca both isn't really consequential and it isn't any of our business that some Koreans chose to give him some of their money. We ought to at least keep the thread open. It doesn't have to do with supporting him, just with letting the community have the best place to congregate about games that he's going to play anyway depending on his erratic Afreeca sprees. Yes, we can still just go directly to the streams, but TL happens to be the best conduit of the community around (as evinced by its dominance of that community). It's nice to be able to post about it with other TL members who were also filtered through quality control. | ||
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gds
Iceland1391 Posts
Because if you see the situation with some perspective it makes no sense, 4 years later, to create no savior rules. As if suddenly it becomes a necessity to shoot on the ambulance. It's a very cheap way to exercise your authority especially when it's toward the old loyal TL fan base who supported this site for years. That's why i would send you and hot bid and all the other tl staff behind this surreal abuse of power to disneyland for 666 days. | ||
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whatusername
Canada1181 Posts
just let us know when savior is on!!! | ||
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blubbdavid
Switzerland2412 Posts
The match-fixing scandal was one year ago. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Match_Fixing_Scandal | ||
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phANT1m
South Africa535 Posts
But if he doesnt want to play SC2 cant really force him i guess . | ||
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Chill
Calgary26004 Posts
On November 18 2011 16:01 gds wrote: Because if you see the situation with some perspective it makes no sense, 4 years later, to create no savior rules. As if suddenly it becomes a necessity to shoot on the ambulance. It's a very cheap way to exercise your authority especially when it's toward the old loyal TL fan base who supported this site for years. That's why i would send you and hot bid and all the other tl staff behind this surreal abuse of power to disneyland for 666 days. It's as if, rather than understanding what's been said in this thread, you'd prefer to plug your ears and imagine this is some police state and you're the biggest victim. All your complaints in this thread have been addressed. - It wasn't 4 years ago it was 1 year. When Savior started streaming heavily (June/July), a thread was opened in the staff forum and it's taken us this long to discuss. - It's got nothing to do with exercising authority (if I wanted to do that I'd just ban anyone who ever challenged me). Savior did something very wrong to the scene and TL doesn't want to be associated with him and is suggesting nobody support him. It's the exact same as the no Combat-ex policy - people can still watch and talk about Combat-ex, just not on teamliquid. | ||
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Whole
United States6046 Posts
On November 17 2011 16:36 rotinegg wrote: Hmm... let me try to lay it out as simply as I can without omitting important details... 1) Gambling in any form is illegal in Korea in the first place, except in certified casinos where only foreigners with ID can enter 2) He received commission by purposefully losing games where the betting odds were stacked in his favor 3) He persuaded other progamers who had no idea of matchfixing to join in this illegal activity and brokered their deals 4) He ripped off the progamers he brokered by pocketing chunks of the 'commission' they were promised 5) He denied denied denied and went into hiding, when others who were involved, like hwasin and type-b, apologized. (I believe savior apologized later though) people should take these facts into consideration and stop comparing it to the likes of TT1, CoCa, and others. Considering the magnitude of what savior did...not because of how popular he is, but because of what he did... i personally feel that he should have a 3-5 year ban on TL...especially considering that the content is still available outside of TL. | ||
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Durak
Canada3685 Posts
On November 18 2011 22:41 Chill wrote: ,,, something very wrong to the scene and TL doesn't want to be associated with him and is suggesting nobody support him. It's the exact same as the no Combat-ex policy - people can still watch and talk about Combat-ex, just not on teamliquid. This exists!? That's hilarious. How are we going to see Chill vs Combat-ex grudge matches though?  | ||
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mmp
United States2130 Posts
On November 18 2011 23:40 Whole wrote: people should take these facts into consideration and stop comparing it to the likes of TT1, CoCa, and others. Considering the magnitude of what savior did...not because of how popular he is, but because of what he did... i personally feel that he should have a 3-5 year ban on TL...especially considering that the content is still available outside of TL. I feel like my sympathy for these arguments stops after #1. He broke the law. But I don't really care how shitty his character is, he's still a skilled player and there is an interest in seeing him stream or take up SC2. If Korean law is satisfied with his punishment, then the SC community shouldn't excommunicate him. The only thing hurting e-sports is its obsessive insecurity with identity. Cults and secret societies behave similarly. | ||
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Soap
Brazil1546 Posts
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Megaliskuu
United States5123 Posts
EDIT: NVM I bought a vpn so now I can use afreeca. | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
On December 26 2011 11:21 Megaliskuu wrote: So I hear Savior is streaming again, if anyone restreams him, can y'all send me a PM so I can follow your stream, thanks. Same here, if you don't mind. PM me if you're restreaming sAviOr! | ||
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Manimal_pro
Romania991 Posts
because most sporting organizations will issue a suspension, maybe stripping the titles or wins from the cheaters | ||
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