On January 05 2015 09:32 Masheyoon wrote: Amusingly, what happened three years ago appears to be happening now, only it's SC2 that's fading and BW emerging.
The bitterness people feel towards Blizzard is understandable. What Mike Morhaime said directly after the final OSL was appalling (Paraphrased: "Brood War's departure is a good thing and will help pave way for SC2."). Instead of appearing impressive in the eyes of many by having a video game that has stood the test of time, Blizzard now appears greedy, selfish and entirely dumb in the eyes of everyone for killing it off in trying to make SC2 as successful as possible. They could have, you know, continued to support both games.
You made me remember that Morhaime speech
I can't believe people actually think that the Savior fiasco 'killed' BW, yeah it hurt the scene but it come nowhere close to Blizzard actively trying to shut down and hijack the BW esports scene so 'esports' could be used as a marketing tool for SC2.
Edit: On the topic of Effort, I always liked him more than Jaedong.
Can you provide some sources for this? I mena any official annoucments etc. I would love to thorw this in blizzard face
What does this even mean? Throw in Blizzard's face? Don't stir up shit please. Everyone just stop posting about Blizzard and SC2 in this thread.
i think we're eligible to express our opinions on the Blizzard-Kespa-Sc2 themecomplex here, right? It isn't exactly the topic, but of course people discuss how to "interpret" player switches in the light of past events. That "throwing into Blizzards Face remark is out of line i agree, but will there be consequences if people just have a... civil discussion about the subject? I don't want to annoy you, i would like to clarify for myself, what your position on this subject is.
I don't mind a civil discussion. It's just when posts start getting needlessly antagonistic that I get annoyed. If I read the SC2 forums, I would not want to see posts calling BW an outdated and dead game. Along the same lines, I imagine SC2 regulars that come here do not want to see posts calling SC2 a failure or a dead game.
As for posts regarding Blizzard and Kespa and their contribution to the decline of professional BW, I guess I just feel like that horse has been beaten to death. I thought this thread would have more "remember when EffOrt almost lost to Flash" rather than "remember when Blizzard almost killed off BW".
So yes, feel free to express your opinions, just don't lace it with negativity and aggression.
On January 05 2015 09:32 Masheyoon wrote: Amusingly, what happened three years ago appears to be happening now, only it's SC2 that's fading and BW emerging.
The bitterness people feel towards Blizzard is understandable. What Mike Morhaime said directly after the final OSL was appalling (Paraphrased: "Brood War's departure is a good thing and will help pave way for SC2."). Instead of appearing impressive in the eyes of many by having a video game that has stood the test of time, Blizzard now appears greedy, selfish and entirely dumb in the eyes of everyone for killing it off in trying to make SC2 as successful as possible. They could have, you know, continued to support both games.
You made me remember that Morhaime speech
I can't believe people actually think that the Savior fiasco 'killed' BW, yeah it hurt the scene but it come nowhere close to Blizzard actively trying to shut down and hijack the BW esports scene so 'esports' could be used as a marketing tool for SC2.
Edit: On the topic of Effort, I always liked him more than Jaedong.
Can you provide some sources for this? I mena any official annoucments etc. I would love to thorw this in blizzard face
What does this even mean? Throw in Blizzard's face? Don't stir up shit please. Everyone just stop posting about Blizzard and SC2 in this thread.
i think we're eligible to express our opinions on the Blizzard-Kespa-Sc2 themecomplex here, right? It isn't exactly the topic, but of course people discuss how to "interpret" player switches in the light of past events. That "throwing into Blizzards Face remark is out of line i agree, but will there be consequences if people just have a... civil discussion about the subject? I don't want to annoy you, i would like to clarify for myself, what your position on this subject is.
I don't mind a civil discussion. It's just when posts start getting needlessly antagonistic that I get annoyed. If I read the SC2 forums, I would not want to see posts calling BW an outdated and dead game. Along the same lines, I imagine SC2 regulars that come here do not want to see posts calling SC2 a failure or a dead game.
As for posts regarding Blizzard and Kespa and their contribution to the decline of professional BW, I guess I just feel like that horse has been beaten to death. I thought this thread would have more "remember when EffOrt almost lost to Flash" rather than "remember when Blizzard almost killed off BW".
So yes, feel free to express your opinions, just don't lace it with negativity and aggression.
fair enough. I agree the topic is rather stone cold and i dunno either why it has to come up like every time someone switches back or if it is a similar topic.
On January 05 2015 09:32 Masheyoon wrote: Amusingly, what happened three years ago appears to be happening now, only it's SC2 that's fading and BW emerging.
The bitterness people feel towards Blizzard is understandable. What Mike Morhaime said directly after the final OSL was appalling (Paraphrased: "Brood War's departure is a good thing and will help pave way for SC2."). Instead of appearing impressive in the eyes of many by having a video game that has stood the test of time, Blizzard now appears greedy, selfish and entirely dumb in the eyes of everyone for killing it off in trying to make SC2 as successful as possible. They could have, you know, continued to support both games.
You made me remember that Morhaime speech
I can't believe people actually think that the Savior fiasco 'killed' BW, yeah it hurt the scene but it come nowhere close to Blizzard actively trying to shut down and hijack the BW esports scene so 'esports' could be used as a marketing tool for SC2.
Edit: On the topic of Effort, I always liked him more than Jaedong.
Can you provide some sources for this? I mena any official annoucments etc. I would love to thorw this in blizzard face
What does this even mean? Throw in Blizzard's face? Don't stir up shit please. Everyone just stop posting about Blizzard and SC2 in this thread.
i think we're eligible to express our opinions on the Blizzard-Kespa-Sc2 themecomplex here, right? It isn't exactly the topic, but of course people discuss how to "interpret" player switches in the light of past events. That "throwing into Blizzards Face remark is out of line i agree, but will there be consequences if people just have a... civil discussion about the subject? I don't want to annoy you, i would like to clarify for myself, what your position on this subject is.
I don't mind a civil discussion. It's just when posts start getting needlessly antagonistic that I get annoyed. If I read the SC2 forums, I would not want to see posts calling BW an outdated and dead game. Along the same lines, I imagine SC2 regulars that come here do not want to see posts calling SC2 a failure or a dead game.
As for posts regarding Blizzard and Kespa and their contribution to the decline of professional BW, I guess I just feel like that horse has been beaten to death. I thought this thread would have more "remember when EffOrt almost lost to Flash" rather than "remember when Blizzard almost killed off BW".
So yes, feel free to express your opinions, just don't lace it with negativity and aggression.
fair enough. I agree the topic is rather stone cold and i dunno either why it has to come up like every time someone switches back or if it is a similar topic.
Well that probably means for a lot of people that topic isn't really "stone cold" :|
Wasn't Effort one of the very few Zergs, if not only, that was a favorite vs. Flash? Even Jaedong seemed like 50/50 against Flash at their peaks (power outage was actually analyzed as a winning game for JD), but I would give the bet to Flash in that scenario because it's top class Zerg vs. top class Terran, and T's always have a huge advantage in that matchup
I love Effort's mass early ling style, it's definitely a changeup from JD's reliance on early mutas or expansion type of game.
On January 07 2015 03:30 parkufarku wrote: Wasn't Effort one of the very few Zergs, if not only, that was a favorite vs. Flash? Even Jaedong seemed like 50/50 against Flash at their peaks (power outage was actually analyzed as a winning game for JD), but I would give the bet to Flash in that scenario because it's top class Zerg vs. top class Terran, and T's always have a huge advantage in that matchup
I love Effort's mass early ling style, it's definitely a changeup from JD's reliance on early mutas or expansion type of game.
I don't think Effort can be reliably considered a favorite vs. Flash. His lifetime record vs. Flash is only 6-9, which isn't a huge sample of games. Arbitrarily using 2010 as a cut off, Effort is 5-3 vs. Flash in "modern" Starcraft, with a grand total of one BoX series in the OSL finals.
Compared to other S class players, Effort didn't even really get to face other top pros enough to really draw any meaningful conclusions about how well he fared.
On January 07 2015 11:46 BisuDagger wrote: The last time someone was considered a favorite against Flash, he lost his horribly in his ace match. His name was BeSt.
best also lost to Hoejja who only used zerglings and queens.
Now that was hilarious to watch
Edit: ok, i was a bit wrong on my memory, it was vs Hoejja on Neo EC who was using this dope Queen ensnare strat and just use cracklings to backstab everywhere while stalling with lurks defense. I just remember it being hilarious cause Best lost like that during SPL finals to add to the humiliation
On January 07 2015 11:46 BisuDagger wrote: The last time someone was considered a favorite against Flash, he lost his horribly in his ace match. His name was BeSt.
best also lost to zero who only used zerglings and queens.
On January 07 2015 11:46 BisuDagger wrote: The last time someone was considered a favorite against Flash, he lost his horribly in his ace match. His name was BeSt.
best also lost to zero who only used zerglings and queens.
Ongamenet did a horrible thing by transferring themselves into SCII and forgetting these players. They thought that BW will forgive them? Now, where is that channel, who watches it?
On January 07 2015 11:46 BisuDagger wrote: The last time someone was considered a favorite against Flash, he lost his horribly in his ace match. His name was BeSt.
best also lost to zero who only used zerglings and queens.
Oh god how much I want Julyzerg to return. SSL needs some super aggressive swagger zerg. Kwanro is super aggressive, but IMO not swagger enough.
If JulyZerg came back to BW, I would immediatly only be playing BW again....I LOVE JulyZerg man, I actually had the privilege to MEET JulyZerg IN PERSON at MLG years ago, I got his autograph , and even SHOOK HIS HAND !! The second I shook JulyZerg's hand my APM went up 100 and I was suddently able to Micro Mutalisks at an incredible level...
EDIT : Sorry I didn't mean to bring up SC2 in here , but it was at the SC2 MLG event that JulyZerg was playing in, but Man the BroodWar Ora was just all around him...my entire interaction with him, I wasn't even thinking about SC2, just how godly this man was in BW.
On January 07 2015 11:46 BisuDagger wrote: The last time someone was considered a favorite against Flash, he lost his horribly in his ace match. His name was BeSt.
best also lost to zero who only used zerglings and queens.
Oh god how much I want Julyzerg to return. SSL needs some super aggressive swagger zerg. Kwanro is super aggressive, but IMO not swagger enough.
If JulyZerg came back to BW, I would immediatly only be playing BW again....I LOVE JulyZerg man, I actually had the privilege to MEET JulyZerg IN PERSON at MLG years ago, I got his autograph , and even SHOOK HIS HAND !! The second I shook JulyZerg's hand my APM went up 100 and I was suddently able to Micro Mutalisks at an incredible level...
EDIT : Sorry I didn't mean to bring up SC2 in here , but it was at the SC2 MLG event that JulyZerg was playing in, but Man the BroodWar Ora was just all around him...my entire interaction with him, I wasn't even thinking about SC2, just how godly this man was in BW.
Which MLG? I met him at the Orlando one.
On January 07 2015 16:19 outscar wrote: Ongamenet did a horrible thing by transferring themselves into SCII and forgetting these players. They thought that BW will forgive them? Now, where is that channel, who watches it?
I wonder when Stork will show himself up.
OGN stuck with SC1 while MBC went to KPOP. Who's the worst one here?
On January 07 2015 16:19 outscar wrote: Ongamenet did a horrible thing by transferring themselves into SCII and forgetting these players. They thought that BW will forgive them? Now, where is that channel, who watches it?
I wonder when Stork will show himself up.
plenty of people watch OGN, it shows LoL and its pretty popular in korea.
On January 04 2015 18:13 PharaphobiaSC2 wrote: Perfect expample, that Blizzard did terrible job with StarCraft 2! :E but, glad this guy is still around !
A handful of guys who couldn't made a successful transition now proves that new game is terrible?
Can't we get along? Most of us prefer one or the other, but does it follow that the one we don't prefer over the other is terrible?
It's not like that it's becayse SC2 could be completly different game, but when Blizzard completly ignores community (f.e making weird clueless balance patches, making new maps 2 days before new mappool should be released, constantly lying to all the communies on reddit/twiiter etc.) it's what piss most ppl off . Next is that StarCraft development offices are empty for sure since there are still annoying bugs which could be easly fixed. I just dont get it.. they had ton of feedback from BW game made in 1998 and their provided amateurish engine full of bugs which "cannot be fixed because of engine itself". Well than shut down SC2 and make BW remake compatible for Windows 7/8 etc and everyone should be happy
At the end Im just jealous that some peeps have so much effort to make content for sc2 and alot of them are broke or done know because ppl just loosing interest..
If you don't understand the reason for a balance change, it does not mean that is actually clueless. It could be that you know the game not as well as you think.
If you don't do what you said you do you earlier is not necessarily lying. It could be you intended to do it, but changed your mind later because of gameplay considerations or new information.
If you think a bug is easy to fix, it does not mean that it is actually so. I am with a company which develops software and learnt that some things which are looks to be easily fixed are in fact not easy to fix.
If you remake BW, you make the guys happy who like BW but you sold already a game to them. It is maybe wiser to develop a new game.
Overall, you seem to overestimate your level of information and understanding of the new game.
On January 05 2015 09:32 Masheyoon wrote: Amusingly, what happened three years ago appears to be happening now, only it's SC2 that's fading and BW emerging.
The bitterness people feel towards Blizzard is understandable. What Mike Morhaime said directly after the final OSL was appalling (Paraphrased: "Brood War's departure is a good thing and will help pave way for SC2."). Instead of appearing impressive in the eyes of many by having a video game that has stood the test of time, Blizzard now appears greedy, selfish and entirely dumb in the eyes of everyone for killing it off in trying to make SC2 as successful as possible. They could have, you know, continued to support both games.
You made me remember that Morhaime speech
I can't believe people actually think that the Savior fiasco 'killed' BW, yeah it hurt the scene but it come nowhere close to Blizzard actively trying to shut down and hijack the BW esports scene so 'esports' could be used as a marketing tool for SC2.
Edit: On the topic of Effort, I always liked him more than Jaedong.
Can you provide some sources for this? I mena any official annoucments etc. I would love to thorw this in blizzard face
What does this even mean? Throw in Blizzard's face? Don't stir up shit please. Everyone just stop posting about Blizzard and SC2 in this thread.
i think we're eligible to express our opinions on the Blizzard-Kespa-Sc2 themecomplex here, right? It isn't exactly the topic, but of course people discuss how to "interpret" player switches in the light of past events. That "throwing into Blizzards Face remark is out of line i agree, but will there be consequences if people just have a... civil discussion about the subject? I don't want to annoy you, i would like to clarify for myself, what your position on this subject is.
I don't mind a civil discussion. It's just when posts start getting needlessly antagonistic that I get annoyed. If I read the SC2 forums, I would not want to see posts calling BW an outdated and dead game. Along the same lines, I imagine SC2 regulars that come here do not want to see posts calling SC2 a failure or a dead game.
Yes!
I still cannot really understand the condescending attitude of some. Both incarnations have their value, which is incredible in their own right.
SC2 could simply not exist if BW wouldn't be there. I think one does not need to be a Starcraft fan to admit that Broodwar is one of the best games ever made. And guys like EffOrt brought the game to shine. He even beat Flash.
While BW was the right game for the right time, it is preceded in global popularity by SC2 by now. To attain this, you have do to something right. The mass appeal of SC2 takes nothing away from BW's greatness, it only adds to it.
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