If you derail this thread to argue about SC2 vs BW in any context other than that of the interview (e.g. saying things like "colosi suck" or "all BW fans are elitist jerks!"), I will ban you for at least a week, if not more. This is your only warning. I added this page 17
On May 24 2012 02:07 SlowBullets wrote: Yup, the general trend: too many SC2 players saying they "loved" Brood War yet lack the basic knowledge of how the game actually works. Then they say they played it when they were 10 (probably playing Bunker Wars and other UMS all day) without ever following the pro scene.
I'm sure they love the game all right.
That's how stupid people work, what did you fucking expect from them?
On May 24 2012 02:26 randoomguy wrote:
On May 24 2012 01:58 Jealous wrote:
On May 23 2012 22:29 DeluXe1337 wrote: I do still feel that BW is a pretty good game. The balance is good and the metagame is pretty solid like going mech in a TvP. If only most of the foreigners like mself didnt care to much on the graphics and had the multitasking to use control groups of onl 8 then i think that BW would still be great. However, SC2 was marketted towards foreigners. Aslong as people like Stork stay on the BW pro scene it will still be a popular game (unless sc2 gets LAN)
Control groups are 12. Way to make it completely obvious that you don't know what you are talking about. If you don't even know the most basic facts, how can you form such a solid opinion? It's SC2 fans like this that post in BW threads that really get my blood boiling. "Don't have shit to say then don't say shit." - Pase Rock
isn't the more important thing what he is saying?and also that he is supporting BW.really this is why people hate bw elitist.don't be a fucking dick just because he made a small mistake.the message is the more important thing.don't u think?
So it's elitist now to hate on stupid post by stupid posters? That's a stupid idea....
Hey man what's your problem? I LOVE BW, I remember when it first came out I used to play the campaign all the time for a day, but it got pretty hard when you can only have 6 in a control group and the stalkers walk really strangely.
If you really loved BW, you would let it go.
PS: I can't wait to see Bisu micro a collossus
People like you and your stupidity make me really question why I come into this forum anymore. In BW, you can have TEN units in a control groups, and those units aren't called stalkers, they are called goliaths.
On May 24 2012 02:07 SlowBullets wrote: Yup, the general trend: too many SC2 players saying they "loved" Brood War yet lack the basic knowledge of how the game actually works. Then they say they played it when they were 10 (probably playing Bunker Wars and other UMS all day) without ever following the pro scene.
I'm sure they love the game all right.
That's how stupid people work, what did you fucking expect from them?
On May 24 2012 02:26 randoomguy wrote:
On May 24 2012 01:58 Jealous wrote:
On May 23 2012 22:29 DeluXe1337 wrote: I do still feel that BW is a pretty good game. The balance is good and the metagame is pretty solid like going mech in a TvP. If only most of the foreigners like mself didnt care to much on the graphics and had the multitasking to use control groups of onl 8 then i think that BW would still be great. However, SC2 was marketted towards foreigners. Aslong as people like Stork stay on the BW pro scene it will still be a popular game (unless sc2 gets LAN)
Control groups are 12. Way to make it completely obvious that you don't know what you are talking about. If you don't even know the most basic facts, how can you form such a solid opinion? It's SC2 fans like this that post in BW threads that really get my blood boiling. "Don't have shit to say then don't say shit." - Pase Rock
isn't the more important thing what he is saying?and also that he is supporting BW.really this is why people hate bw elitist.don't be a fucking dick just because he made a small mistake.the message is the more important thing.don't u think?
So it's elitist now to hate on stupid post by stupid posters? That's a stupid idea....
Hey man what's your problem? I LOVE BW, I remember when it first came out I used to play the campaign all the time for a day, but it got pretty hard when you can only have 6 in a control group and the stalkers walk really strangely.
If you really loved BW, you would let it go.
PS: I can't wait to see Bisu micro a collossus
People like you and your stupidity make me really question why I come into this forum anymore. In BW, you can have TEN units in a control groups, and those units aren't called stalkers, they are called goliaths.
its 12 units... and they are called dragoons
As a previous poster stated, welcome to Romania, you were born there correct?
GMarshall can you please explain why in a thread that a BW progamer states that SC2 and Kespa's decisions regarding the SC2 vs. BW discrepancy can't have inter-game arguments? It's not about the games in the sense of which game is better; it's more about what one game's presence and Kespa's allegiance to did to the other. I haven't seen any SC2 gameplay bashing in recent posts, simply SC2 vs. BW in the context that Stork has mentioned.
On May 24 2012 03:20 HaXxorIzed wrote: Good on you for voicing these concerns Stork. Hopefully it results in something.
What results could be possible ? Its the last BW league and maps are already settled , and he says KeSPA is focused more on SC2 rather than BW. It's too late for BW now, if anything happens its in SC2.
This is the saddest part for me. It's simply too late and knowing that this can be the last possible OSL (I hope not) and final hybrid PL before they move on to SC2. KeSPA definitely did fuck up in the sense that they did not really consult players or coaches regarding the switch and made a rash move. Terrible management on KeSPA's part to be honest. =/
On May 24 2012 02:07 SlowBullets wrote: Yup, the general trend: too many SC2 players saying they "loved" Brood War yet lack the basic knowledge of how the game actually works. Then they say they played it when they were 10 (probably playing Bunker Wars and other UMS all day) without ever following the pro scene.
I'm sure they love the game all right.
That's how stupid people work, what did you fucking expect from them?
On May 24 2012 02:26 randoomguy wrote:
On May 24 2012 01:58 Jealous wrote:
On May 23 2012 22:29 DeluXe1337 wrote: I do still feel that BW is a pretty good game. The balance is good and the metagame is pretty solid like going mech in a TvP. If only most of the foreigners like mself didnt care to much on the graphics and had the multitasking to use control groups of onl 8 then i think that BW would still be great. However, SC2 was marketted towards foreigners. Aslong as people like Stork stay on the BW pro scene it will still be a popular game (unless sc2 gets LAN)
Control groups are 12. Way to make it completely obvious that you don't know what you are talking about. If you don't even know the most basic facts, how can you form such a solid opinion? It's SC2 fans like this that post in BW threads that really get my blood boiling. "Don't have shit to say then don't say shit." - Pase Rock
isn't the more important thing what he is saying?and also that he is supporting BW.really this is why people hate bw elitist.don't be a fucking dick just because he made a small mistake.the message is the more important thing.don't u think?
So it's elitist now to hate on stupid post by stupid posters? That's a stupid idea....
Hey man what's your problem? I LOVE BW, I remember when it first came out I used to play the campaign all the time for a day, but it got pretty hard when you can only have 6 in a control group and the stalkers walk really strangely.
If you really loved BW, you would let it go.
PS: I can't wait to see Bisu micro a collossus
People like you and your stupidity make me really question why I come into this forum anymore. In BW, you can have TEN units in a control groups, and those units aren't called stalkers, they are called goliaths.
its 12 units... and they are called dragoons
As a previous poster stated, welcome to Romania, you were born there correct?
Why does it matter where iam from or where i was born? rasist?
On May 24 2012 03:35 Jealous wrote: GMarshall can you please explain why in a thread that a BW progamer states that SC2 and Kespa's decisions regarding the SC2 vs. BW discrepancy can't have inter-game arguments? It's not about the games in the sense of which game is better; it's more about what one game's presence and Kespa's allegiance to did to the other. I haven't seen any SC2 gameplay bashing in recent posts, simply SC2 vs. BW in the context that Stork has mentioned.
Because the arguments are old, emotional and stupid, so far absolutely nothing good has come out of them other than blind hatred. You can talk all you want about how kespa should manage the two games and the hybrid league and what effects it has on players, that's fine. I don't want to see any more posts talking about how collosi suck or SC2 is horrible or bw is bad, especially the "all sc2 fans are morons" and "BW fans are all elitists" that permeated the last couple pages. Thats all.
On May 24 2012 02:07 SlowBullets wrote: Yup, the general trend: too many SC2 players saying they "loved" Brood War yet lack the basic knowledge of how the game actually works. Then they say they played it when they were 10 (probably playing Bunker Wars and other UMS all day) without ever following the pro scene.
I'm sure they love the game all right.
That's how stupid people work, what did you fucking expect from them?
On May 24 2012 02:26 randoomguy wrote:
On May 24 2012 01:58 Jealous wrote:
On May 23 2012 22:29 DeluXe1337 wrote: I do still feel that BW is a pretty good game. The balance is good and the metagame is pretty solid like going mech in a TvP. If only most of the foreigners like mself didnt care to much on the graphics and had the multitasking to use control groups of onl 8 then i think that BW would still be great. However, SC2 was marketted towards foreigners. Aslong as people like Stork stay on the BW pro scene it will still be a popular game (unless sc2 gets LAN)
Control groups are 12. Way to make it completely obvious that you don't know what you are talking about. If you don't even know the most basic facts, how can you form such a solid opinion? It's SC2 fans like this that post in BW threads that really get my blood boiling. "Don't have shit to say then don't say shit." - Pase Rock
isn't the more important thing what he is saying?and also that he is supporting BW.really this is why people hate bw elitist.don't be a fucking dick just because he made a small mistake.the message is the more important thing.don't u think?
So it's elitist now to hate on stupid post by stupid posters? That's a stupid idea....
Hey man what's your problem? I LOVE BW, I remember when it first came out I used to play the campaign all the time for a day, but it got pretty hard when you can only have 6 in a control group and the stalkers walk really strangely.
If you really loved BW, you would let it go.
PS: I can't wait to see Bisu micro a collossus
People like you and your stupidity make me really question why I come into this forum anymore. In BW, you can have TEN units in a control groups, and those units aren't called stalkers, they are called goliaths.
its 12 units... and they are called dragoons
As a previous poster stated, welcome to Romania, you were born there correct?
Why does it matter where iam from or where i was born? rasist?
On May 24 2012 02:07 SlowBullets wrote: Yup, the general trend: too many SC2 players saying they "loved" Brood War yet lack the basic knowledge of how the game actually works. Then they say they played it when they were 10 (probably playing Bunker Wars and other UMS all day) without ever following the pro scene.
I'm sure they love the game all right.
That's how stupid people work, what did you fucking expect from them?
On May 24 2012 02:26 randoomguy wrote:
On May 24 2012 01:58 Jealous wrote:
On May 23 2012 22:29 DeluXe1337 wrote: I do still feel that BW is a pretty good game. The balance is good and the metagame is pretty solid like going mech in a TvP. If only most of the foreigners like mself didnt care to much on the graphics and had the multitasking to use control groups of onl 8 then i think that BW would still be great. However, SC2 was marketted towards foreigners. Aslong as people like Stork stay on the BW pro scene it will still be a popular game (unless sc2 gets LAN)
Control groups are 12. Way to make it completely obvious that you don't know what you are talking about. If you don't even know the most basic facts, how can you form such a solid opinion? It's SC2 fans like this that post in BW threads that really get my blood boiling. "Don't have shit to say then don't say shit." - Pase Rock
isn't the more important thing what he is saying?and also that he is supporting BW.really this is why people hate bw elitist.don't be a fucking dick just because he made a small mistake.the message is the more important thing.don't u think?
So it's elitist now to hate on stupid post by stupid posters? That's a stupid idea....
Hey man what's your problem? I LOVE BW, I remember when it first came out I used to play the campaign all the time for a day, but it got pretty hard when you can only have 6 in a control group and the stalkers walk really strangely.
If you really loved BW, you would let it go.
PS: I can't wait to see Bisu micro a collossus
People like you and your stupidity make me really question why I come into this forum anymore. In BW, you can have TEN units in a control groups, and those units aren't called stalkers, they are called goliaths.
its 12 units... and they are called dragoons
As a previous poster stated, welcome to Romania, you were born there correct?
Why does it matter where iam from or where i was born? rasist?
On May 24 2012 03:20 HaXxorIzed wrote: Good on you for voicing these concerns Stork. Hopefully it results in something.
What results could be possible ? Its the last BW league and maps are already settled , and he says KeSPA is focused more on SC2 rather than BW. It's too late for BW now, if anything happens its in SC2.
This is the saddest part for me. It's simply too late and knowing that this can be the last possible OSL (I hope not) and final hybrid PL before they move on to SC2. KeSPA definitely did fuck up in the sense that they did not really consult players or coaches regarding the switch and made a rash move. Terrible management on KeSPA's part to be honest. =/
Considering that they are a non-profit organization that depends on the success of the players and therefore the fans' perspectives, I also agree that their move considering Korea's gaming climate was ill-advised.
~Tadashan: Old TL joke that states that Romanians can't understand sarcasm over the internet, so no I am not 'rasist' but I am TList.
On May 23 2012 22:29 DeluXe1337 wrote: I do still feel that BW is a pretty good game. The balance is good and the metagame is pretty solid like going mech in a TvP. If only most of the foreigners like mself didnt care to much on the graphics and had the multitasking to use control groups of onl 8 then i think that BW would still be great. However, SC2 was marketted towards foreigners. Aslong as people like Stork stay on the BW pro scene it will still be a popular game (unless sc2 gets LAN)
Control groups are 12. Way to make it completely obvious that you don't know what you are talking about. If you don't even know the most basic facts, how can you form such a solid opinion? It's SC2 fans like this that post in BW threads that really get my blood boiling. "Don't have shit to say then don't say shit." - Pase Rock
isn't the more important thing what he is saying?and also that he is supporting BW.really this is why people hate bw elitist.don't be a fucking dick just because he made a small mistake.the message is the more important thing.don't u think?
I explain why the poster I refer to has no idea what he is talking about. You resort to insulting me, painting me as a "fucking dick" as a response to the fact that I pointed out his flawed argument and therefore his faulty position. I don't want misinformed people waving the flag I support. I would rather that informed opinions educate people about the situation (as Stork did) versus misinformed people saying factually incorrect things, thereby creating altercations such as the one we've just engaged in where my correcting and expressing resentment at the factual discrepancy of a person's argument leads to more SC2 groupies defending said wrong person.
i don't wanna argue but he just said he think ´BW is a fairly good game which i agree on,(i am noob btw)he didn't say anything about balance or anything like that he just said a reason why some people don't like BW(which i agree on that many don't like it because of graphics)like i have several that don't play it for that reason.please i am sorry if i offended u but please be understanding.i have already got warned for talking about BW vs sc2 and that was not my intention,this is all i wanted to say
On May 24 2012 03:35 Jealous wrote: GMarshall can you please explain why in a thread that a BW progamer states that SC2 and Kespa's decisions regarding the SC2 vs. BW discrepancy can't have inter-game arguments? It's not about the games in the sense of which game is better; it's more about what one game's presence and Kespa's allegiance to did to the other. I haven't seen any SC2 gameplay bashing in recent posts, simply SC2 vs. BW in the context that Stork has mentioned.
Because the arguments are old, emotional and stupid, so far absolutely nothing good has come out of them other than blind hatred. You can talk all you want about how kespa should manage the two games and the hybrid league and what effects it has on players, that's fine. I don't want to see any more posts talking about how collosi suck or SC2 is horrible or bw is bad, especially the "all sc2 fans are morons" and "BW fans are all elitists" that permeated the last couple pages. Thats all.
Okay, I can completely understand that, but that's not SC2 vs. BW. That's SC2 fanbase vs. BW fanbase. For example I stated that "SC2 fans like this" [sic] are what makes my blood boil in reference to an ignorant post, which is something that I haven't seen TL punish in the past. Thanks for clearing it up though, because in truth that does occur way too often on these forums. It just seemed like due to your warning people would not be able to discuss SC2 vs. BW in PL and their representation and equality/lack thereof in this thread.
On May 23 2012 22:29 DeluXe1337 wrote: I do still feel that BW is a pretty good game. The balance is good and the metagame is pretty solid like going mech in a TvP. If only most of the foreigners like mself didnt care to much on the graphics and had the multitasking to use control groups of onl 8 then i think that BW would still be great. However, SC2 was marketted towards foreigners. Aslong as people like Stork stay on the BW pro scene it will still be a popular game (unless sc2 gets LAN)
Control groups are 12. Way to make it completely obvious that you don't know what you are talking about. If you don't even know the most basic facts, how can you form such a solid opinion? It's SC2 fans like this that post in BW threads that really get my blood boiling. "Don't have shit to say then don't say shit." - Pase Rock
isn't the more important thing what he is saying?and also that he is supporting BW.really this is why people hate bw elitist.don't be a fucking dick just because he made a small mistake.the message is the more important thing.don't u think?
I explain why the poster I refer to has no idea what he is talking about. You resort to insulting me, painting me as a "fucking dick" as a response to the fact that I pointed out his flawed argument and therefore his faulty position. I don't want misinformed people waving the flag I support. I would rather that informed opinions educate people about the situation (as Stork did) versus misinformed people saying factually incorrect things, thereby creating altercations such as the one we've just engaged in where my correcting and expressing resentment at the factual discrepancy of a person's argument leads to more SC2 groupies defending said wrong person.
i don't wanna argue but he just said he think ´BW is a fairly good game which i agree on,(i am noob btw)he didn't say anything about balance or anything like that he just said a reason why some people don't like BW(which i agree on that many don't like it because of graphics)like i have several that don't play it for that reason.please i am sorry if i offended u but please be understanding.i have already got warned for talking about BW vs sc2 and that was not my intention,this is all i wanted to say
I see your point and I see the reasoning behind it. Thanks for the apology, I do think you crossed the line by calling me a "fucking dick" but this led to a more constructive conversation as a result.
The problem with both games is that perspectives on them are completely subjective so the vocal minorities from both sides have a certain sense of ownership to each side of the argument. You say that graphics in BW are bad; I think that graphics in SC2 are terrible because I can't see shit, but I will admit that is probably because I am used to BW. Same must be true for you in respect to BW and I can understand that. However, I also have to point out that the point is as GMarshall said, not which game is 'better' but the subject at hand which is the treatment of Kespa towards its devout players that have supported it for upwards of 8 years (in Stork's case). That is the true issue at hand, and the reason I made my post in the first place is because there are too many people who make posts that clearly display their ignorance of the situation/one of the games. Once again, no harm no foul; I appreciate your apology.
Boss move by Stork! Takes some balls to speak up, bet he is not the only one who is angry about Kespa. I suspect this happened because GSL and other tournaments exist for sc2 so kespa has less power than they used toi. treat players badly and they may just leave now!
i think they should have splitted the players in 2 groups broodwar and sc2 and let the players decide in which"team" they will play so the people have more entertaining games and the players have less stress with playing both games
I just watched the VODs from OSL Day 3... You know I fear for Stork. He looked really lifeless during the broadcast. Someone earlier asked why Stork had tears in his eyes as he gave his interview. I hope he's not contemplating retirement. That's my great fear.
On May 24 2012 03:51 Ryo wrote: I just watched the VODs from OSL Day 3... You know I fear for Stork. He looked really lifeless during the broadcast. Someone earlier asked why Stork had tears in his eyes as he gave his interview. I hope he's not contemplating retirement. That's my great fear.
Knowing Stork, he most likely is deciding whether or not to retire. But if he does retire, you'll just see him show up again six months later, pimply faced, overweight, hair disheveled, with some crazy 1 base or mass expo build that will crush all competition and take him to a glorious, glorious silver medal in the fall.
I've just scanned through the pages quickly, and I seem to get the idea that some guys are thinking Stork has problems with KeSPA in dealing with players' welfare in general, such as salary and stuff, which is not the case.
As much as Stork's appeal sounds very attractive to us, it will not work out, simply because KeSPA is supposedly made up of members from all the sponsors of the seven teams, which provides the accomodation and salaries of all their players, basically almost everything the players need financially. Even if the 'union' is indeed set up, it would just be a farce since ultimately the decisions are still made by the higher ups of the sponsors. It does seem that the players didn't really want this hybrid Proleague in the first place.
And with this coming from Stork, I just feel that a retirement is imminent at the end of this hybrid Proleague(not Stork but someone of high caliber).
On May 24 2012 03:51 Ryo wrote: I just watched the VODs from OSL Day 3... You know I fear for Stork. He looked really lifeless during the broadcast. Someone earlier asked why Stork had tears in his eyes as he gave his interview. I hope he's not contemplating retirement. That's my great fear.
Knowing Stork, he most likely is deciding whether or not to retire. But if he does retire, you'll just see him show up again six months later, pimply faced, overweight, hair disheveled, with some crazy 1 base or mass expo build that will crush all competition and take him to a glorious, glorious silver medal in the fall.
On May 24 2012 03:51 Ryo wrote: I just watched the VODs from OSL Day 3... You know I fear for Stork. He looked really lifeless during the broadcast. Someone earlier asked why Stork had tears in his eyes as he gave his interview. I hope he's not contemplating retirement. That's my great fear.
Knowing Stork, he most likely is deciding whether or not to retire. But if he does retire, you'll just see him show up again six months later, pimply faced, overweight, hair disheveled, with some crazy 1 base or mass expo build that will crush all competition and take him to a glorious, glorious silver medal in the fall.
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